Seattle Eviction deputy shot by tenant

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Keith A.
Rental Property Investor · TX · Member since 2019 · 236 posts · 392 votes
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" vote blue no matter who ".

And here we are.  

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  • Jay ThomasPro Member
    Real Estate Agent · Houston, TX · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 715 votes
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    When it comes to Real Estate, you get what you tolerate. This is a truth that cannot be avoided or ignored. You may want the perfect new home in a great neighborhood, but if you don't have the budget to cover it, then you'll have to settle for something else - whether that's an older home in need of work or one located in a less desirable area. It's all about having realistic expectations and knowing your limits when it comes to Real Estate - otherwise, you might end up with something far from ideal. So make sure you set your standards high and don't just settle for anything - because what you put up with today will shape your Real Estate future tomorrow.

    [email protected]832-889-5607
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  • Account Closed
    Investor · Scottsdale Austin Tuktoyaktuk · Member since 2021 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    Quote from @Robin Searle:

    @Mike Hern an update on the provision to not allow criminal background checks. This article doesn’t really say how the law will read now.

    https://www.courthousenews.com/ninth-circuit-reverses-seattle-ban-on-criminal-checks-for-potential-tenants/

    I've learned over time, that it's a crap shoot on laws like this. It's open to interpretation by the judge, it's sometimes enforced, sometimes not, it's used to bring lawsuits to "shake down" investors, it's used to harass, it's taken out of context, it's used in "overreach" for control, it's modified by case law, it's intent is often misunderstood and it always takes money to fight the accusation. People believe what they read in the paper as to what it says and means and make decisions based on bad information. One has to actually read the code and the related laws to fully understand.

    It's just very bad policy for investors. Sometimes these are referred to as "lawyer guaranteed income laws".


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  • James Hamling
    Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes
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    Quote from @Keith A.:

    " vote blue no matter who ".

    And here we are.  


     Here is a counter thought; what has "red" done for you lately? Or ever for that matter? 

    Do you know why they call it right "wing" and left "wing"? Because there each one half of the same vulture. 

    . 

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  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    Well intentioned limitations on considering actual criminal history are becoming laws that insist you let people in regardless of offense and timing. I have no problem considering someone with a history but some people want only tenants with nothing on their record and that is fine too. I have had a couple great tenants with criminal records history in B class neighborhoods but the offenses weren't recent or violent so there was alot of positives to outweigh the negatives. 

    I wonder how they will manage this in public housing? sex offender?  How can you  not look at any criminal record and keep neighbors and other tenants safe.

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  • Adam Martin
    Rental Property Investor · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    I always say if I had the kind of money to prove a point I’d buy houses neighboring politicians that vote these laws in and open half way houses for pedos, rapists, and gang bangers to test their tolerance but life hasn’t provided me that opportunity yet.  I hope the officer makes it through but on a bright side at least the criminal is dead so that is one less criminal you can’t screen.  

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  • Greg M.
    Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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    If the city would only move faster to defund the police and replace them with unarmed community service officers, this would have never happened. /s

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  • Scott Mac
    Austin, TX · Member since 2019 · 5k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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    Most of the time that Patrolman's job serving evictions may have been an easy coffee break--but, it only takes one time with one bad guy with a gun to ruin your day--forever.

    Property managers and eviction personnel are boots on the ground, and when things get serious--well, look out.

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  • Ned J.Pro Member
    Investor · Manteca, CA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    @Tim J..... yeah... you might want to read all the "you get what you voted for" replies....and "see what happens in blue states".....so yeah.... there a huge implication in those posts that NOT having that ordinance would have mad a difference.

    Its also implying that the ordinance was in place when this tenant was placed....and he had a previous violent criminal background that would have prevented him from being placed in that unit..... all conclusions that serve to confirm your bias that this could have been prevented if the county had not instituted the ordinance. There is no proof of ANY of that..... but people jump on the bandwagon of "see what you get?,,,,and you get what you deserve" type replies

    I'm not defending the ordinance... AT ALL.......I still want to be able to run criminal backgrounds. What I'm pointing out is the BS logic people are using as some proof that "you get what you deserve"... that this is some rock solid proof that its the local governments fault

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  • Albert Hasson
    Investor · Paradise Valley, AZ · Member since 2012 · 366 posts · 214 votes
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    https://www.usnews.com/news/us...

    It can happen anywhere (and does)

    Kicking someone out of their house is a dangerous job.

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  • Albert Hasson
    Investor · Paradise Valley, AZ · Member since 2012 · 366 posts · 214 votes
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    Quote from @Ned J.:

    @Tim J..... yeah... you might want to read all the "you get what you voted for" replies....and "see what happens in blue states".....so yeah.... there a huge implication in those posts that NOT having that ordinance would have mad a difference.

    Its also implying that the ordinance was in place when this tenant was placed....and he had a previous violent criminal background that would have prevented him from being placed in that unit..... all conclusions that serve to confirm your bias that this could have been prevented if the county had not instituted the ordinance. There is no proof of ANY of that..... but people jump on the bandwagon of "see what you get?,,,,and you get what you deserve" type replies

    I'm not defending the ordinance... AT ALL.......I still want to be able to run criminal backgrounds. What I'm pointing out is the BS logic people are using as some proof that "you get what you deserve"... that this is some rock solid proof that its the local governments fault

    So true, there is a definite bias here on BP
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  • Albert Hasson
    Investor · Paradise Valley, AZ · Member since 2012 · 366 posts · 214 votes
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    Quote from @Ned J.:

    @Tim J..... yeah... you might want to read all the "you get what you voted for" replies....and "see what happens in blue states".....so yeah.... there a huge implication in those posts that NOT having that ordinance would have mad a difference.

    Its also implying that the ordinance was in place when this tenant was placed....and he had a previous violent criminal background that would have prevented him from being placed in that unit..... all conclusions that serve to confirm your bias that this could have been prevented if the county had not instituted the ordinance. There is no proof of ANY of that..... but people jump on the bandwagon of "see what you get?,,,,and you get what you deserve" type replies

    I'm not defending the ordinance... AT ALL.......I still want to be able to run criminal backgrounds. What I'm pointing out is the BS logic people are using as some proof that "you get what you deserve"... that this is some rock solid proof that its the local governments fault

    So true, there is a definite bias here on BP
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  • Albert Hasson
    Investor · Paradise Valley, AZ · Member since 2012 · 366 posts · 214 votes
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    https://kfdm.com/news/local/br...

    It can even happen in Texas

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  • Scott Mac
    Austin, TX · Member since 2019 · 5k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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    Quote from @Ned J.:

    @Tim J..... yeah... you might want to read all the "you get what you voted for" replies....and "see what happens in blue states".....so yeah.... there a huge implication in those posts that NOT having that ordinance would have mad a difference.

    Its also implying that the ordinance was in place when this tenant was placed....and he had a previous violent criminal background that would have prevented him from being placed in that unit..... all conclusions that serve to confirm your bias that this could have been prevented if the county had not instituted the ordinance. There is no proof of ANY of that..... but people jump on the bandwagon of "see what you get?,,,,and you get what you deserve" type replies

    I'm not defending the ordinance... AT ALL.......I still want to be able to run criminal backgrounds. What I'm pointing out is the BS logic people are using as some proof that "you get what you deserve"... that this is some rock solid proof that its the local governments fault


     I don't think this danger is limited to red or blue areas, there are cookoo's all over. Everyone needs to be careful.

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  • Henry T.
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    Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Quote from @Adam Martin:

    I always say if I had the kind of money to prove a point I’d buy houses neighboring politicians that vote these laws in and open half way houses for pedos, rapists, and gang bangers to test their tolerance but life hasn’t provided me that opportunity yet.  I hope the officer makes it through but on a bright side at least the criminal is dead so that is one less criminal you can’t screen.  


    Now there's an idea I'd like to see. We had a politician here,  somebody parked an RV in front of her house. She had it moved in hours. Anywhere else the city won't touch them. It was funny for a day....  As for the deceased, go easy my friend. Mental illness, loss of job, it's tough out there. I think it's really easy to lose it these days. But for the grace of.....
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  • Henry T.
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    Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Quote from @Albert Hasson:

    https://www.usnews.com/news/us...

    It can happen anywhere (and does)

    Kicking someone out of their house is a dangerous job.

    Oh my god. So sad.  I blame whoever came up with the "housing is a right" mantra. I think it only causes problems. How about "work hard, save, and invest in your own home" instead? I don't know the answers, but my house is not your right, you're just borrowing it like a tool rental. Don't pay? Then give it back please.  Maybe I should get into the tool rental biz instead. Sheriff's getting killed, it's too much to take.
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  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
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    From the Seattle article

    ""I didn’t know they had a gun and their only crime was just being poor, not being able to pay $13,000 worth of back rent," the friend told KOMO News."

    No their crime was shooting someone.  People who can't pay the rent have family, friends, charities, churches or shelters to go to for help.  There is a long list.

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  • Tim J.
    Investor · Vermont and New York · Member since 2023 · 308 posts · 309 votes
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    Quote from @Albert Hasson:
    Quote from @Ned J.:

    @Tim J..... yeah... you might want to read all the "you get what you voted for" replies....and "see what happens in blue states".....so yeah.... there a huge implication in those posts that NOT having that ordinance would have mad a difference.

    Its also implying that the ordinance was in place when this tenant was placed....and he had a previous violent criminal background that would have prevented him from being placed in that unit..... all conclusions that serve to confirm your bias that this could have been prevented if the county had not instituted the ordinance. There is no proof of ANY of that..... but people jump on the bandwagon of "see what you get?,,,,and you get what you deserve" type replies

    I'm not defending the ordinance... AT ALL.......I still want to be able to run criminal backgrounds. What I'm pointing out is the BS logic people are using as some proof that "you get what you deserve"... that this is some rock solid proof that its the local governments fault

    So true, there is a definite bias here on BP

    If by "bias" you mean the notion that people should expect to be able to enforce contracts, hold people accountable, and a low tolerance for theft and for ineffective politics?  Yes, I have a "bias". Guilty as charged.

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  • Tim J.
    Investor · Vermont and New York · Member since 2023 · 308 posts · 309 votes
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    Quote from @Albert Hasson:

    https://www.usnews.com/news/us...

    It can happen anywhere (and does)

    Kicking someone out of their house is a dangerous job.


     Excerpts from that story:

    "An eviction complaint filed on Aug. 15 by a landlord in Pima County Consolidated Justice Court indicated that Stansell had previously threatened violence. The complaint said he or his guest had threatened and intimidated neighbors with a gun on July 27. 

    Stansell failed to appear at a hearing in the case set for Monday, court records said.

    According to the records, a judge ruled that Stansell had breached his lease agreement, writing: “The evidence shows that defendant threatened another resident with a firearm and has otherwise disturbed the peace.” "

    Sounds like a re-evaluation of how evictions are served in the future may be in order. Also sounds like in this case the constable was not given the right support or information.  One wonders why a story like this does not get wider reporting. I have my theories...

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  • John Barrett
    Rental Property Investor · Everett, WA · Member since 2015 · 458 posts · 386 votes
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    We recently had to do an eviction at one of our units north of Seattle.  Following the process, it took 10 months to finally get her and her unauthorized guests out of the unit.  They were doing drugs and harassing the other tenants in our property but we had no ability to do anything other than post notices. 

    During the junk out of the unit, the company removing all the junk found 1 loaded gun and numerous knives (not kitchen) as well as baseball bats.  I admittedly was surprised as we have only done a couple evictions in the nearly 20 years of owning rentals.  The fact is the world is more dangerous than it was previously.  We have to adjust accordingly.

    John

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  • Jay ThomasPro Member
    Real Estate Agent · Houston, TX · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 715 votes
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    Real Estate laws in New York City are aimed at creating equal opportunity for everyone. This is why it is illegal to screen potential tenants or buyers based on criminal history. It's a progressive move that ensures everyone has the right to try and make their dreams of home ownership come true, regardless of past mistakes. This allows individuals with a criminal background to have an equal chance to rent or purchase a home, setting them up for success in the future. It's an important step for ensuring fair housing practices in the city.

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  • Henry T.
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    Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Quote from @Jay Thomas:

    Real Estate laws in New York City are aimed at creating equal opportunity for everyone. This is why it is illegal to screen potential tenants or buyers based on criminal history. It's a progressive move that ensures everyone has the right to try and make their dreams of home ownership come true, regardless of past mistakes. This allows individuals with a criminal background to have an equal chance to rent or purchase a home, setting them up for success in the future. It's an important step for ensuring fair housing practices in the city.


     That all sounds good on paper. But let's a say a guy with  a violent history? A mom n pop may be required to rent to that guy if he qualifies. It's an $11000 fine if they don't. I think his equal opportunity went out the window when he punched grandma in the face. I know the law and a progressive sees it differently, but not allowing some discretion is crazy, unrealistic. A 400 unit apt can probably absorb a guy like that but he can kill a mom n pop. Literally. The mom n pop ship is sinking, here come the corporations.

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  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    @Jay Thomas if there is no discretion then what happens with sex offenders?  or violent offenders with recent issues?  I am for giving chances but some discretion seems in order.  Do you let a sex offender with a preference for children or someone who cooks meth move in next to a family. Even public housing supposedly has restrictions that felonies should be 5 years old, so are private landlords not allowed to screen and public housing still can?  c

    The additional issue you have is they publish names in the paper when they make arrests so in the court of public opinion you can have a conviction but the tool that tells your LL that  the arrest didn't lead to a conviction is gone.

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  • Keith A.
    Rental Property Investor · TX · Member since 2019 · 236 posts · 392 votes
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    Quote from @James Hamling:
    Quote from @Keith A.:

    " vote blue no matter who ".

    And here we are.  


     Here is a counter thought; what has "red" done for you lately? Or ever for that matter? 

    Do you know why they call it right "wing" and left "wing"? Because there each one half of the same vulture. 

    . 


     My rentals area all in Texas. Doing just great thank you.

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