After giving tenant a discount, received nasty text

After giving tenant a discount, received nasty text

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Hello, 

I’m a new landlord, experienced flipper. On our first rental everything was remodeled. We basically rebuilt the entire house. But first of May the tenant reaches out to me and tells me the AC failed to come on. The HVAC company was booked out 3 weeks but the tenant said that was ok. The issue is much larger than we thought and we have to install an entire new condenser. Since my husband has hvac experience, he decides to take time off work and do the install himself. 

4 days before the install we get a text on a 76 degree day that his infant son went to the ER because he overheated due to having no AC. I thought that was ludicrous but I still offered them window AC units we just removed from a flip. But sadly those didn’t work. So I felt bad by this point and offered them a $250 one time discount. The guy thanked me and took the discount.  

My husband installs the new condenser and it runs fine but in a day it froze. My husband realizes he missed something and gets the refrigerant he needs and let’s him know he will be back this Saturday to make the last repair. This is 5 days after the install. In the meantime it run them down a brand new window AC. 

Right after I deliver the AC to the guy, I get this nasty text from his wife (who lives there and is on the lease but I’ve never met in person or had any prior communication with.)

“This is the wife of xxx address ave.

I’m grateful that y’all even thought about giving us a reduced rent but $250, do you not realize what we’ve been through this last month.
These problems have led my 7 month old baby in the hospital sick and now he has a heat rash all over his body. I get stuff happens but I think y’all forgot that actual people are living here and having to live in this. I’m really upset about the whole situation and y’all acting like it’s not a big deal. I get y’all have lives but this is our life and we’re having to live in our HOME while it is 85 degrees inside and outside.
During this time, our energy bill has increased triple to normal, not to mention the additional costs of our son at the hospital. And we’ve been without and it’s still not repaired an ac unit. Though you may feel 250 is enough, we think a months rent off would make better since.
I’m sure if the roles were reversed, y’all would understand.”


What did I miss in all of this? I feel like I bent over backwards for the tenants as soon as I learned they considered not having AC to be an emergency (to them). Is that the issue? I gave an inch so they want to take a mile?  What are the thoughts of the experienced landlords?  They now have a working window ac unit and in a day my husband will be back to fix the thing he missed when installing the condenser. 

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Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
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Quote from @Rebekah Meyer:

This doesn't look like a "nasty" text or a professional scammer. It's been a month and you haven't fixed the A/C unit. I know they said they would be Ok with the delay, but a month is an awfully long time to install a condenser. 

This is a brand-new condenser. It should have been covered by a warranty and you should have let the professionals handle it. I would have told them to either put you higher on the list or compensate you for having another company do the work. Surely there are HVAC specialists available within one week in Chicago?

I normally don't agree with compensating them, but in this case I probably would consider something. The new unit failed, you gave them broken window units, the second unit failed...they are rightly upset. I doubt their baby's heat rash was caused by temperatures in the 80s because the majority of the world population puts up with hotter temperatures their entire life. Still, I would try to find a way to compensate them for the higher electric bills and the delays.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Boston, Massachusetts (MA) · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    Rebekah, flip this and imagine your reaction if they weren’t paying the rent? Ultimately, the backstory isn’t as important as the results. You don’t get to be judged by your intentions.

  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    One thing that I learnt from landlord is we have to act super fast in emergency situation, I have numerous situation like this, and what the renter wants is actually not reducing rent, they just want to see how fast we are helping them in their critical situation. So as landlord we must have a good plan what to act when we are the PM. Thing is different if you outsource the management to a PMC.

    For heaven sake, if baby has to go to hospital because we don't provide them even with fan or portable A/C, that's unacceptable. Your P/L doesn't matter here.

  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    @Rebekah Meyer  For AC alot depends on location. Summer in AZ or TX you get someone there right away. Call until it happens.  May in New England and some other areas, Not so much of an issue but still get it done. Should have brought a window AC just in case upfront. They want to feel like you get it too. Tenants appreciate action,  acknowledgement they are uncomfortable, and updates.  

    @Tim Miller  you provide window units to your tenants ?   do you have a reason for doing that? We allow them to install them but don't provide.

  • John MorganPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Grand Prairie, TX · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    I have 3 HVAC guys and will use whoever can get there soonest. Hopefully the day of or within 24 hours at the latest. I don’t mess around with keeping my place’s comfortable and will spend extra to get my units serviced asap even if it’s 76 degrees. Some tenants are uncomfortable at 76 degrees so I do my best to keep them happy. If things take more than a few days to fix, then we need to somehow compensate our tenants for their inconvenience at our places. I’d give them a month off it it took more than a week or two to get it all fixed up.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y

    The OP seems to have disappeared.....don't think she wanted to hear what she got....

  • Member since 2023 · 243 posts · 199 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Christina M.:

    @Rebekah Meyer

    I am going to be very honest at the same time as kind as possible. You acted unprofessionally on many levels and in trying to save money (I get it) you gave your tenants a reason not pay their rent. You bent over backwards for yourself. Here's a professional caring Landlord:

    Tenant A/C Unit is not working and to yourself - it's hot, they have children (a baby) immediately purchase new 2 or more new window units. Install window unit(s) make sure they are comfortable. This would have allowed time to get your house A/C working. Keep the window units handy for the next time. Offering $250 is easy and you showed your tenants they are not a priority. It's your property it's their home. Respect them.

    Consider getting a HVAC Maintenance contract - our units are serviced twice a year and we would get priority service. As well as you would have had a professional opinion of a potential issue. Preventive, saves money and even have planned for repairs or replace.

    Pickup the phone and speak to them in a professional honest matter take some ownership of your poor handling the situation. Some people just it want to be acknowledged, try to fix it, start over and learn from the experience.

    Tenant Management and Communications is just as important as Property Management.

    Turn it around. If you want your Tenants to be professional then you must lead by example.

    This as well as several others. Great responses!

    The first few responses were brutal and unrealistic. “If they don’t like it, tell them to leave!”

    So you being the eviction process…then what?
    A new window a/c is cheaper than an eviction + cleaning + a monthly mortgage you have to pay in full.

    The advice here in the later comments is way more result driven where there is a win-win.

    What action to do now? Call the tenant. Both the husband and wife. If possible, go to them and talk face to face. The wife needs to know you to help make this right.

    ISounds like this is the wife’s first child. 76 degrees maynot sound a lot but a 7 month old can get a heat rash from accumulated days of intense heat. Sounds like a scary situation.

  • Member since 2023 · 243 posts · 199 votes
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    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

    The OP seems to have disappeared.....don't think she wanted to hear what she got....


     I assume the a/c is now fixed hence no reply.

    I wonder what will happen when the furnace goes. 
    And if that happens, guys, please don’t reply “Eh, let them wait 3 weeks. If they don’t like it, let them see how cold the streets are. #CashFlow!!”

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Rebekah Meyer:

    But first of May the tenant reaches out to me and tells me the AC failed to come on. 

    I'm a little uneasy with your timeline. According to AccuWeather, in Columbus, Ohio, it was 46* on May 1st when the tenants cranked on the AC. Did you rent to Eskimos?

    The actual time line is extremely important. If your narrative is correct, your tenants like freezing cold and the AC was fixed before it got too hot. However, pushing it back a few days changes it to "it's a little warm, oh no the AC isn't working" and ends during a very hot time period of high-80's to mid-90's for more than week. 

  • Member since 2023 · 243 posts · 199 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Greg M.:
    Quote from @Rebekah Meyer:

    But first of May the tenant reaches out to me and tells me the AC failed to come on. 

    I'm a little uneasy with your timeline. According to AccuWeather, in Columbus, Ohio, it was 46* on May 1st when the tenants cranked on the AC. Did you rent to Eskimos?

    The actual time line is extremely important. If your narrative is correct, your tenants like freezing cold and the AC was fixed before it got too hot. However, pushing it back a few days changes it to "it's a little warm, oh no the AC isn't working" and ends during a very hot time period of high-80's to mid-90's for more than week. 

    In late April, it was in the mid 60s. They may have noticed it on the weekend then called that Monday which is May 1st, 2023. Also, they may have been testing it before the heat gets serious.

    When you look at the temps thereafter, it stays in the 70s-80s. In late May/early June, they’re hitting the 90s. 

    If the bedrooms are on the 2nd floor, I can imagine it is very humid/stuffy.
    I doubt they would exaggerate the issue by taking a baby to the ER and pay $$$.
  • Rental Property Investor · Laurel, MD · Member since 2016 · 383 posts · 382 votes
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    @Colleen F.  Our properties have the old windows with the weights and a rope on each side. It's less work for us to install them ourselves. In our area, average rent for a 2 bd 1 ba is about $1,200 & we charge $1,700. Only because our units have been upgraded with Granted counter tops, SS Appliances, keyless entry and so on. The tenants feel they are getting what they pay for. 

  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    @Tim Miller I am familar with the window type as we also have some units with weighted windows, they are also upgraded units. We help them if needed mostly to prevent damage be but don't want to own the units as an extra cost. I don't think it would bring as much more in rent as you.

  • Michael K GallagherBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus OH · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    @Rebekah Meyer. good to see you on the forums!  I had a similar situation, or rather had the AC go out in one of my duplex units last year, on the first hot week of the year, and ended up getting no call no showed by two different companies.  

    Ultimately it's up to us the owners to get the situation resolved.  I kept an open line of communication with the tenants through the whole process, while they were upset, and I got several aggravated texts about the situation I could absolutely understand their frustration.  My solution was to ultimately find a company that could make it out on a weekend, I paid the weekend fee and offered several times to buy them a hotel room for the night given this took place over about 5-6 days.  They ultimately didn't take me up on it, but I believe at least coming with a possible solution is what ended up diffusing the situation.  

    Ultimately it hasn't been all that hot in Columbus so far this year except a few days, and many units do not come with any cooling at all, but if its in the lease It would be expected to work in my mind.  

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Michael K Gallagher:

    My solution was to ultimately find a company that could make it out on a weekend, I paid the weekend fee and offered several times to buy them a hotel room for the night given this took place over about 5-6 days. 

    And that is how you do it folks!


  • Member since 2020 · 84 posts · 27 votes
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     Funny.

  • Rental Property Investor · NJ · Member since 2020 · 60 posts · 16 votes
    3y

    I only have one rental house here in North Jersey, it has central heat but no central air conditioners. Tenant has to supply their own window a/c. I have found that anything that the landlord supplies and is listed in the lease I am responsible for if it breaks. Not having central a/c means another thing that I don't have to fix if it goes bad. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Boston, Massachusetts (MA) · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    Old thread but offering a bit of perspective from a former court mediator, for the benefit of new landlords in a similar situation. @Carlos Ptriawan focused on this well and landlords should realize that when a baby is involved that becomes the courts primary focus, expense and relevant parties behavior notwithstanding. They will protect the child if you do not, as well they should. Having a baby go to the emergency room because of an issue a landlord could have fixed is not going to end well for the landlord

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