I rejected applicant, he said he would pay $150 extra/month

I rejected applicant, he said he would pay $150 extra/month

Rental Property Investor · Mine Hill, NJ · Member since 2014 · 229 posts · 396 votes

First time landlord here. We just started advertising our rental 3 weeks ago. $1675/month for a 3 bedroom in Garfield NJ. We've gotten a lot of interest, 30 different groups of visitors, of those 8 applicants...

We wanted to make a decision today, we are leaning towards one applicant. So when another applicant called to see if there was any updates on his application status, I told him we were going to go with someone else. He called back to say that he was willing to pay an extra $150/month... not sure what to do at this point. He is a single Divorced Man, good job at a big company, away on business a lot. He gave us his W2, and it shows he makes $150,000/year. His Credit is shot however, he says due to his recent divorce, his Ex-wife took his house and everything. He has four kids and has them for two weekends a month, so he wanted a 3 bedroom so he could have his kids have some space when they are over. *He has yet to submit his credit report or background check, both of which we are requiring.

Our other applicant we are considering is a nice family with three daughters, they are very focused on their education. The parents run their own bodyshop, so its hard to verify income, they claimed they made $50k on their 2014 Tax Return, which would meet our requirements. Their credit however is on the low end. We wanted an average of 640 or above, and the Wife meets it but the Husband does not, he says its because of identity theft.

Thoughts, what would you choose?

Here is a link to the ad if interested https://home.cozy.co/apply/#/47395

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Real Estate Investor · Saint Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 951 votes
10y

First you cannot take family status into consideration when reviewing applicants so I'll go ahead and ignore most of your information.  

If one has VERIFIABLE INCOME OF $150K Yr and the other "says" they are self employed and make around $50k why are you even learning towards the one that makes a third as much?   A good rule of thumb for minimum income is 3x the monthly rent amount, your $50k/yr tenants fall short of that amount.   I'd verify his income and credit and if that checks out I'd take his increased rent amount and collect first last and security (as long as it's legal in your jurisdiction, it is here).   

Run your own credit and background checks, asking a tenant to submit those items is odd.  Stop going off what tenants tell you, verify everything yourself.   Believing what people tell you when they're trying to rent a place will get you in a world of trouble.  

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  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    10y

    You shouldn't have tenants "submit their credit/background checks".  You get those yourself, after their signed application allows you to, and they pay the fee for the costs thereof.

  • Real Estate Agent · Austell, GA · Member since 2014 · 232 posts · 74 votes
    10y

    Have him pay $35-50 up front for your to pay for those two checks, then you can verify the credit story for yourself. If everything checks out, take that additional cash flow! But do not allow him to delay your decision making by waiting for him to submit documentation...

  • Investor · Independence, MO · Member since 2016 · 31 posts · 17 votes
    10y
    I would go with the single divorced man if his background check comes back with no record of landlord complaints or lawsuits for back rent. Credit score is not a huge factor for me because in my market it is much cheaper to buy than rent, so if they could get a loan they would buy a house rather than rent. I find single men take good care of properties most of the time. His income is more than sufficient but I would also check that he does not have any judgments against him. You can look anyone up on casenet to find this info for free. Hope this helps!
  • Investor · Topeka, KS · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    All things being equal, I'm going with a $150k/year single man who travels over a family whos income makes that rent payment tight.

  • Guy with Great Hair · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    10y

    Surprised so many people are advocating to rent to the single guy.

    yeah, your requirements should be followed, regardless of potential revenue.

    You want to base your decision on your rental criteria, which can be verified by people's previous actions (income, credit, background, personality). you don't want to base your decision on future potential earnings especially in spite of your requirments. meaning, you're going to ignore bad credit to HOPEFULLY get another $150 a month in rent.

    no, no, no, this is how you get evictions.

    $150 extra a month won't change your life much, 3-4 (or more) of missed rent just might.

  • Real Estate Investor · Saint Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 951 votes
    10y

    First you cannot take family status into consideration when reviewing applicants so I'll go ahead and ignore most of your information.  

    If one has VERIFIABLE INCOME OF $150K Yr and the other "says" they are self employed and make around $50k why are you even learning towards the one that makes a third as much?   A good rule of thumb for minimum income is 3x the monthly rent amount, your $50k/yr tenants fall short of that amount.   I'd verify his income and credit and if that checks out I'd take his increased rent amount and collect first last and security (as long as it's legal in your jurisdiction, it is here).   

    Run your own credit and background checks, asking a tenant to submit those items is odd.  Stop going off what tenants tell you, verify everything yourself.   Believing what people tell you when they're trying to rent a place will get you in a world of trouble.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Mine Hill, NJ · Member since 2014 · 229 posts · 396 votes
    10y

    We are receiving online applications, credit checks, and backgorund checks through Cozy.co , they submit the information and pay the fees and cozy sends us the reports.

  • Real Estate Investor · Saint Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 951 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Alexander Felice:

    Surprised so many people are advocating to rent to the single guy.

    yeah, your requirements should be followed, regardless of potential revenue.

    You want to base your decision on your rental criteria, which can be verified by people's previous actions (income, credit, background, personality). you don't want to base your decision on future potential earnings especially in spite of your requirments. meaning, you're going to ignore bad credit to HOPEFULLY get another $150 a month in rent.

    no, no, no, this is how you get evictions.

    $150 extra a month won't change your life much, 3-4 (or more) of missed rent just might.

     Not sure the logic you're using to come up with that.   Why would the guy with triple the income of the other applicants be more likely to be evicted?   A family making $50k a year in unverified is probably going to struggle to afford $1675/month in rent.  Why would you expect the high income applicant to be the one that has to be evicted?   It seems like the $50k/yr applicant also has poor credit.  

  • Guy with Great Hair · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Patrick L.:
    Originally posted by @Alexander Felice:

    Surprised so many people are advocating to rent to the single guy.

    yeah, your requirements should be followed, regardless of potential revenue.

    You want to base your decision on your rental criteria, which can be verified by people's previous actions (income, credit, background, personality). you don't want to base your decision on future potential earnings especially in spite of your requirments. meaning, you're going to ignore bad credit to HOPEFULLY get another $150 a month in rent.

    no, no, no, this is how you get evictions.

    $150 extra a month won't change your life much, 3-4 (or more) of missed rent just might.

     Not sure the logic you're using to come up with that.   Why would the guy with triple the income of the other applicants be more likely to be evicted?   A family making $50k a year in unverified is probably going to struggle to afford $1675/month in rent.  Why would you expect the high income applicant to be the one that has to be evicted?   It seems like the $50k/yr applicant also has poor credit. 

    both have bad credit? both get passed on. easy.

    this is no different than someone who has bad credit that offers to pay a year in advance. never ever.

  • Buy & Hold Owner · Redlands, CA · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y

    Good to see the comments here.

    Here's mine:  

    1. Have a critera, a process of evaluation, document your findings and stick to it; NO CONCESSION.

    When looking at a credit report (a real one, not some abstracted generalization of A,B,C), look at the 30,60,90 day lates, judgments, and collections.  A FICO score is useless.

    What's been happening in the last 6 months is far more indicative of the applicants real credit life.

  • Real Estate Professional · Palm Coast, FL · Member since 2016 · 19 posts · 8 votes
    10y

    Consider hiring a consumer reporting agency that specializes in background checks that way your background checks are FCRA compliant and all legal requirements are met. This is the best way to make an informed decision to rent or not to this applicant.

    Best of luck,

  • Real Estate Investor · Saint Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 951 votes
    10y

    @Alexander Felice I don't rely on credit scores as heavily as many people do, to me it's just a number and doesn't tell the whole story.   You can find a bad tenant with a high credit score and an amazing tenant with a terrible credit score.   If someone pays their rent first every month and didn't pay some old medical bills or their Target charge card then for me that isn't an issue.   If someone has stable verifiable income, has never been evicted and has a solid rental history, and has a clean criminal history then it's usually a good tenant for me.  Many people have a low score just because they don't utilize credit very much or at all.  

  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    Sounds like neither

    1. The single guy hasn't followed the instructions about submitting a complete application.

    2. The family doesn't meet your minimum credit score...

  • Guy with Great Hair · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Patrick L.:

    @Alexander Felice I don't rely on credit scores as heavily as many people do, to me it's just a number and doesn't tell the whole story.   You can find a bad tenant with a high credit score and an amazing tenant with a terrible credit score.   If someone pays their rent first every month and didn't pay some old medical bills or their Target charge card then for me that isn't an issue.   If someone has stable verifiable income, has never been evicted and has a solid rental history, and has a clean criminal history then it's usually a good tenant for me.  Many people have a low score just because they don't utilize credit very much or at all.  

     Been in lending 10 years.  I agree with you 100%. However,  if the rental pool allows me to remove all low credit applicants then I will always defer to that route.  Sure low credit applicants can be great,  but if I don't have to test it,  I won't.  

  • Professional · Glendale, CA · Member since 2013 · 105 posts · 47 votes
    10y

    You have recieved a lot of good advice here.

    Let me offer something... take emotion out of the equation.  With many applicants, one can find reasons to rent to them.   But to protect yourself from discrimination you need to treat everyone equally.  So as so many above have said....SET YOUR REQUIREMENTS and QUALIFICATIONS and STICK WITH THEM.  If you have several applications then you can afford to be selective.   The guy with shot credit is offering more $$ for a reason...he's likely been turned down several times for bad credit.   Not that he's going to be a bad tenant because of his credit, but other landlords don't seem to be taking that chance.  And, you accept him because he offered more $$ over another tenant who didn't have a chance to offer you more $$...that my friend is discrimination. 

  • Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2014 · 128 posts · 65 votes
    10y

    I disagree on the definition and use of discrimination as justification in this issue. Just like buyers offering more than a house asking price. Higher offer is not a problem. Source of funds might be considered discrimination but not amount. Unless the liberals added more yesterday, here are the protected classes. 

  • Real Estate Agent/Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 229 posts · 108 votes
    10y

    @Sunny Burns

    Lots of great info in here as others have stated. Another thing to consider is why hasn't the single guy filled out the application and upfront is saying that he will give $150 extra a month, sounds to me like he has something to hide and is hoping you over look since his offered you an extra $1800 over the course of the year.  As almost everybody else has said always stick to your guidelines since it will take the emotion out of the decision plus that then allows you to place the blame on the company policy when telling either person no. 

    Credit score is a just a number but it is earned over a healthy payment history. I wouldn't take the risk on somebody that has low credit score because this is one way you will reduce the risk of having a responsible tenant that takes care of the rental. Good credit score does not guarantee this point but gives you a much lower chance of it happening. 

  • Investor · Plano, TX · Member since 2014 · 188 posts · 149 votes
    10y

    @Sunny Burns

    50% of the renters have bad credit. That's why they don't qualify for a home and destined to rent their entire life. I would go with the single guy too rather than the family of 5. The family of 5 are more likely to complain a lot and require more from you as a landlord. Morever, they are likely going to be saving up for a house and move out with in a year or two. 

    The newly single guy, who travels a lot, is likely to live like a bachelor and use the home minimally. Furthermore, he won't be moving out soon and you probably going to have him stay for 3+ years. 

    Since this is outside of your requirements, Some contingencies you have to keep in mind is, ask for a higher deposit. Mandatory check on employment every 12 months and also home inspection to make sure its well treated.

    Good luck!    

  • Attorney · Bettendorf, IA · Member since 2015 · 106 posts · 47 votes
    10y

    One additional thing to keep in mind is the ability to collect on a judgment if things go south.

    The single guy with a stable, high paying income will be much easier to garnish then the small business owner with a lot of unverified income.

    Also, due to child visitation modification being a pain, the single guy might stick around longer.

  • Professional · Glendale, CA · Member since 2013 · 105 posts · 47 votes
    10y

    @Robert M. I agree with you that higher offer is not a problem.  As I see it taking a higher offer from one applicant and not allowing the other applicants the same opportunity to make a higher offer is discrimination because not all had an equal chance to compete for the unit.   However, I'm not an attorney and that's my opinion based on my experiences.

    And I realize it's not likely that in this instance anything like this will come up as who would know how offers what.   I managed a 72-unit apartment complex where we often had several vacancies a month with man applicans.  So, I just learned to protect myself and the prop mgmt co by applying identical qualification requirement for everyone.

    Would be interesting it an attorney could offer their expertice on the matter.

  • Professional · Glendale, CA · Member since 2013 · 105 posts · 47 votes
    10y

    On second thought perhaps discrimination is incorrect.  Perhaps unfair advantage would be the proper term.

  • Architect · Papillion, NE · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 840 votes
    10y

    Have you thought of first come, first serve. Approve or deny them as they come and them move to the next one. Monthly income 3x the rent is a must.  Incomplete application with no background etc is disqualified. The family seems disqualified as well due to income but I didnt do the math. Also look at the payment patterns on the credit check. It typically doesnt change.

  • Investor · Ponca City, OK · Member since 2016 · 46 posts · 15 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Sunny Burns:

    First time landlord here. We just started advertising our rental 3 weeks ago. $1675/month for a 3 bedroom in Garfield NJ. We've gotten a lot of interest, 30 different groups of visitors, of those 8 applicants...

    We wanted to make a decision today, we are leaning towards one applicant. So when another applicant called to see if there was any updates on his application status, I told him we were going to go with someone else. He called back to say that he was willing to pay an extra $150/month... not sure what to do at this point. He is a single Divorced Man, good job at a big company, away on business a lot. He gave us his W2, and it shows he makes $150,000/year. His Credit is shot however, he says due to his recent divorce, his Ex-wife took his house and everything. He has four kids and has them for two weekends a month, so he wanted a 3 bedroom so he could have his kids have some space when they are over. *He has yet to submit his credit report or background check, both of which we are requiring.

    Our other applicant we are considering is a nice family with three daughters, they are very focused on their education. The parents run their own bodyshop, so its hard to verify income, they claimed they made $50k on their 2014 Tax Return, which would meet our requirements. Their credit however is on the low end. We wanted an average of 640 or above, and the Wife meets it but the Husband does not, he says its because of identity theft.

    Thoughts, what would you choose?

    Here is a link to the ad if interested https://home.cozy.co/apply/#/47395

     technically, state law says you are supposed to rent to the first qualified... is either??  hardly anyone has good credit these days, so we look at personal references, work references, time at current home, time at current job, time working in that field.  that being said, i would chat with each ... oh, when did you divorce?....    oh,man, when did your id get stolen? then run credit reports on both, and look for events around the dates they gave you to prove or disprove what you have been told... the guy with the body shop could get hurt, and have no income....  not a deal breaker, but a consideration. I would put more credence in the first guy... ask him why he likes the house so much... could be ultra convenient to his work, or kids school, ex, etc. OR he could be in the midst of eviction. TRUST BUT VERIFY.

  • Severna Park, MD · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    10y

    The single guy that makes the good money , could be looking for a specific area , same schools the kids are in , needs the bedrooms , and the extra money doesnt mean a thing to him . Sure divorces can screw up your credit for lots of reasons .  He sounds like a decent choice

  • Hurst, TX · Member since 2015 · 34 posts · 6 votes
    10y

    i find this ironic as people also like to shout about people who offer to pay more are more likely to scam you and force you to evict.. Interesting to see so many people saying to go with the 150/mo guy..

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