I inherited a terrible tenant, but don't want a vacancy

I inherited a terrible tenant, but don't want a vacancy

Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 185 posts · 97 votes

Actually, I inherited THREE terrible tenants. But one is causing me more of a pain than the other two put together. Here's the summary of my three tenants:

1. The continually late nice guy - artist. living paycheck to paycheck and doing odd jobs to get by. Doesn't want to leave. Grew up in the neighborhood. His lease is month to month. Pays, but always pays in drips and drabs. Finally makes rent + late fee in full by 1-5 days before next month due. Annoying, but on time and adds to income. Rent could be $100-$200 more per month for this unit.

2. The non-computer user. Pays within the 5 day window by money order and/or cash. Usually in two to three payments. Sticks it in my mailbox. Won't email or use a computer or do online payments. This month was $20 short by the 5th, but paid it all by the 6th. Her lease is a year lease that just started in Dec. Rent could be $100-$200 more per month for this unit.

3. The commercial space lessee with a chip on her shoulder. This is the one that's the worst. She pays. On time. Was super nice when asking if I was going to renew her lease. It was a 2-year lease with option to renew for 1 year in June. We both had a 60 day renewal window for notice (on my part and hers). Since verbally coming to agreement - but not in writing - she has totally turned into the biggest PITA I could have imagined. If I could, I would throw her out immediately. 

A little more back story: 

In January, I bought a multi unit. It came with the three tenants above. I'd prefer not to have a vacancy in any of these three units. I definitely made some rookie mistakes, but am looking for advice on how best to resolve given that I let critical time windows slip. 

For the commercial tenant, we got close to her 60 day renewal notice deadline and discussed that she would like to stay but was concerned about rents raising. The rent is currently about $200 below market now (based on craigslist and the next door commercial space). I decided to raise it only 5%, but asked for a 2 or 3 year lease. She hummed and hahed and dragged her feet and let the deadline pass to state anything, but then said ok. I sent her a lease and heard nothing. She then started complaining about every item on the new lease. I was raising the water fees to 50% of the building (she's a hairdresser) instead of 1/3rd. I was asking for her to repay her security deposit. She lost it to the last owner, as she had lots of back fees that she had not paid. We talked through all of this, and I thought we were on the same page finally, until one morning... I saw she had painted the front of the building!!! I also saw she had painted the sidewalk, and tile, and basically made a total mess. Without permission. I called her and told her this was not allowed and that she will need to immediately hire someone to come and clean it. She has not done so yet. She is also back to refusing to sign a lease again - instead asking "what's the rush?"

I really don't know what her game is, but I am very tired of it. It has already cost me more time and stress that I am interested in spending on one tenant. I've also really tried to be accommodating as she is a young business owner and I was hoping to be supportive. I get the impression that every fee outside of basic rent is going to be questioned and debated, and that she is likely to go ahead and fight me over her new security deposit, etc. Given that the 60 day period has passed, I don't think I can just tell her that I am not renewing in June. What are my options???

Things I am thinking:

1. Tell her that I am actually going to raise the rent by $200 more, as I have done more market analysis - is this allowed if we do not yet have a signed lease for the new year? ...when do I have to give notice of rent raises by and how?

2. Bill her for the sidewalk paint cleanup and move forward with eviction process if she is late with the rent + fees. Downside is that this could take time and energy and end up leading to a number of months vacancy, as well as a bitter tenant who is likely to cause problems/damage to the property.

3. Use Jedi mind tricks and convince her I am a great landlord and that she is getting a bargain and all she has to do is stop complaining and pay her bills on time and communicate about desired improvements and all will be good.

Any other options?????

Thanks in advance!

p.s. I am in the building my portfolio stage of my REI career, and very early into it. Every penny counts right now, and I would rather have a vacancy in this property one year from now when I have the ability/bandwidth to deal with rehabbing units and showing the property and getting a new tenant settled - plus the location is changing quickly and will command much higher rents in 1-2 years than now.

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Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2016 · 41 posts · 23 votes
10y

Hi: 

As a previous landlord of two duplexes and a SFH ... my advice would be:

Tenant #1:   As he continually pays your late fees, I would keep him.   Even though it's annoying, you're earning extra income from his lateness.   Unless, of course, his lateness is causing YOU to be late paying your related mortgage.

Tenant #2:  I would nicely, but firmly tell her that you are unable to accept anything except FULL payment.    She needs to provide it timely and ALL AT ONCE.   If she insists on paying you cash, then she needs to hand it to you, so that you can in turn write her receipt for her records.

Tenant #3:   Sounds like she's trying to negotiate the rent without actually saying so.    Since she is exhibiting what I would call "attacking" behavior ... this could wind up costing you lots of money if you allow this to continue.    I would NOT renew her lease (even at an increased rent) and start marketing for another renter.

GOOD LUCK!! 

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  • De Pere, WI · Member since 2016 · 83 posts · 39 votes
    10y

    Definitely do your due diligence and research what the laws are in Pennsylvania.  My guess is your third tenant is not going to get much better.  For how much your third option seems to be best; I am not quite sure the Jedi mind tricks work on non-Star Wars fanatics... experiment for another day maybe! Maybe there will be some way to come to an agreement with her, but without a signed lease do you have the option to evict then?  For how much you don't want to evict, with the problems you listed that this person has had with the previous landlord and many of her refusals, eviction is probably your best course of action.  She is probably just hoping if she puts up a big enough fuss, you will just give in and forget about the security deposits, lease agreement, etc.  Unfortunately that is not how the real world works.  If you don't nip this in the butt it will only come back to bite you.  I'd put my foot down to an agreement if that is what you are legally bound into, but I'd find the best way to evict if it were me.

    You definitely seem correct in saying your other two tenants are nowhere near the problem of the third.  If you are unable to allow any vacancies at this time I would get a game plan started.  If Miss Salon Owner is evicted then I need Artsy and NoCo to stay then I will give them notices of rent increase and new leases in x amount of time (again always check with local laws as to any legal notices you have to give).  If you come to an agreement with Miss Salon Owner then within your given restrictions send out notices right away to Artsy and NoCo informing them of rent increases, and a reminder of when rent is due, penalties and fees for late rents, etc. and then hold them to it.  If you aren't looking to increase rents anytime soon then leave it be and good luck with Miss Salon Owner!!!

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2016 · 41 posts · 23 votes
    10y

    Hi: 

    As a previous landlord of two duplexes and a SFH ... my advice would be:

    Tenant #1:   As he continually pays your late fees, I would keep him.   Even though it's annoying, you're earning extra income from his lateness.   Unless, of course, his lateness is causing YOU to be late paying your related mortgage.

    Tenant #2:  I would nicely, but firmly tell her that you are unable to accept anything except FULL payment.    She needs to provide it timely and ALL AT ONCE.   If she insists on paying you cash, then she needs to hand it to you, so that you can in turn write her receipt for her records.

    Tenant #3:   Sounds like she's trying to negotiate the rent without actually saying so.    Since she is exhibiting what I would call "attacking" behavior ... this could wind up costing you lots of money if you allow this to continue.    I would NOT renew her lease (even at an increased rent) and start marketing for another renter.

    GOOD LUCK!! 

  • Rental Property Investor · Golden, CO · Member since 2014 · 136 posts · 65 votes
    10y

    I'll make a few suggestions which of course IANAL and you should defer to your local laws.  After inheriting tenants of my own, here are my thoughts:

    1. Non-computer user: This is your "keeper".  Cash is king and if you get it mostly on time, just deal with the snail-mail route.  She is going to keep you semi-afloat while you deal with the others. Plus, she's on a lease so you need to keep her.

    2. Artsy fartsy guy - He's out. Not giving you full payment until the end of the month is a deal breaker.  Give him notice now and start to advertise for a person that will meet YOUR qualifications.

    3. Miss Salon - There's a few problems here.  You're unlikely to get her to pay to remove her paint, but if you can convince her to give you a security deposit, you can eventually use that to remove it.  Get the deposit and then make moves to demand a lease that is on your terms.  She's your worst time sucker and if you don't have a lease to enforce, she will take advantage at every turn.  Why do you want a 2-3 year lease?  I'd secure the deposit and then either (1) give notice and spend the deposit on paint cleaning or (2) ask for a shorter term lease so you can get her out if things don't work out.  No use in committing to a long term lease with an unknown.  

    A timeline might be like this: replace Artsy while you're trying to get the security for Salon Girl.  Then, when you have a new tenant in place (and two timely rents), then lay the hammer down on Salon Girl.  Just my two cents. good luck!

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2016 · 41 posts · 23 votes
    10y

    @Theresa W.:   LOL re: your "Artsy Fartsy" and "Salon Girl" comments!!   Thanks for the chuckle.   :-)

  • San Jose, CA · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    @Alex M. Regarding Tenant #3:  

    Question: What does your lease with Salon Lady say happens if the lease is not renewed?  Does it go month to month?  

    If so, great.  This is what I'd do.  Completely forget about renewing the lease.  You don't want her.  She's costing you money with the damage she's doing, and it's entirely possible she's poisoning your other tenants, either by complaining about you, or by being an evil neighbor.  She really has to go.

    But, rather than just terminate her, why not just let the lease become a M2M tenancy.  If it happens automatically, you don't even have to discuss it with her.

    And start advertising that space as available with just a 30 day notice to the current tenant.  Then, just start parading new potential tenants through her space.

    If/when she starts hollering about wanting to sign the lease, or trying to say you have a verbal agreement - nope!  All real estate contracts for over one year must be in writing - so no go on the verbal angle.  You just calmly look at her and say, nope, we no longer have  lease, so you are a month to month tenant now.  And all I have to do is give you 30 days notice.  And you're welcome to give me 30 days notice, too.

    And really, I'd leave it that way.  And not sign again with her.  Maybe she'll stay month to month for a long time.  But, you'll be able to get her out.  And she can't hold you hostage to a lease.

    Check to be sure of the notice required if she just goes M2M.  I'm not sure how commercial leases work, as far as notice after they go month to month, etc.  Or if they go M2M without some kind of written notice that that's what she now has.

    Tenant #1 & #2 can wait until you deal with Tenant #3, if you don't want to deal with them.  But, here's my take for when you do want to deal with them.

    Tenant #1 can't afford to move.  And you can bet he pays other bills on time.  He prioritizes them.  You are at the bottom of that list.  What I'd do with Mr. Happy Artist, is give him notice that starting June 1st (so he has time to rearrange his priorities) that he will no longer be allowed to pay late.  

    You have effectively waived your right to expect him to pay on time, by your behavior of allowing him to pay late.  Courts will deem this as a waiver.  You have effectively changed the due date by accepting the rent late.

    The good news is, that with a M2M agreement, you can change the terms of the agreement with 30 days notice normally.  You can reestablish the due date with a notice.  So, notice to Mr. Happy Artist:

    Dear Mr. Happy Artist:

    This is a written notice to inform you that I will no longer allow you to pay your rent late as of June 1st, 2016.

    Your rent will now be due on the first of each month.  If I have not received it on the first, I will give you a 3 day notice to pay rent or quit.  If you have not paid your rent in full, including the late fee, by the end of that 3 day notice, I will be forced to begin eviction proceedings.

    My hope is that you will stay and pay your rent on time for many years.  However, I cannot allow you to pay your rent late.  Your late payments affect my ability to pay my bills on time, and this is unacceptable.

    (Then include info here about how you want the rent paid, and/or any other changes you want to make to your agreement).

    Again, I sincerely hope you choose to stay.

    Sincerely,

    You

    It's entirely possible, you'll have to give him that 3 day notice to pay or quit every month, but you can just consider it a payment reminder, if he pays within that time every month - and includes a late fee.

    Tenant #2: Question: What does your lease say about how she's supposed to pay?  Does it allow her to pay the way she's paying?  If not, send her a written letter, too, similar to the one above, just reminding her how she's supposed to pay, and that starting next month, you will need her to begin paying as agreed.  And again, tell her that you hope she'll stay a long time, but the way she's paying is causing too much inconvenience.

    By the way, for future reference, if Tenant #2 can get to a Walmart, they have a payment option there, where a tenant can go with cash, and get the money deposited into your account, from what I've heard.  You may have to talk to her about that option, but I wouldn't accept cash.  You don't want her saying she gave you cash without any way to prove it.

    And collect a late fee from her.

    You can deal with tenants in a nice, but firm way.  Think of your favorite teacher or coach, who you liked and respected, but knew you couldn't get away with anything with.  That's your role model.  Yeah, yeah, you're so cute and charming, Mr. Artist, but I need the rent on time or I'll have to kick you out.  I'm sure you can understand that.  I mean after all, if you don't pay your cell phone bill on time, you get cut off or pay a fee, right?  Well, I'm more important than your cell phone provider.  And I'm sure you don't want to cause me to pay my bills late, right?  Or have to start looking for a new tenant who can pay on time?  Ha ha, yeah, I know.  I'll see your rent on time next month then...

  • San Jose, CA · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    @Alex M.  By the way, all of your tenants are not terrible tenants.  Tenant 3 is terrible.  The others are just a little inconvenient and you can probably work things out with them.  If they're otherwise quiet, and get along and don't damage things, I think they'll end up working out fine with some boundaries (with the Artist) and some negotiating on the potential Walmart payments with the No-Computer lady.

    No-Computer tenants are a little more inconvenient, but are worth keeping if you can get them trained on the money thing.  I had one who paid cash every month, and I insisted she pay by money order or check.  She had to get a relative to show her how to do it, but she did it.

    The worst is having to call them instead of just text or email, and ending up on the phone without the ability to think about a response first LOL.  You learn to say, "Let me get back to you on that."

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Portland, OR · Member since 2015 · 153 posts · 105 votes
    10y

    @Alex M.

    I am in a similar state - with 4 residential tenants I'm working on keeping when the black & white answer is to just evict, and I'm not ready to evict yet.  

    Personally, I think you can make your 2 residential tenants work, but they'll continue to take up your time in making sure they're paying in full by the end of the month.  As long as you're willing to stay on them then its fine.  But don't be afraid to give them a 72 hour notice if they start slipping beyond what you're willing to deal with - the threat of eviction shows them you're serious and so far my experience has shown they'll usually pay immediately to stop an eviction.

    The commercial tenant seems a little tricky - I would suggest meeting with her and explaining why the paint job is bad, how it will affect her business and why you need it to be fixed.  When you sit down and explain that "for both our protection" you need a security deposit and that it's 100% refundable if she does no damage, she may come around.  I like to have these "heart-to-hearts" in person instead of paper but stick to your decisions.  Firm, but compassionate, and at the end, she signs the paperwork.  And I agree maybe a 2 year lease is too long if she's being so unreasonable.  Maybe a shorter lease can be something you "give" her to help her feel like she won something.  

    People always think landlords are just out to milk the place, and maybe she just needs confirmation that you really do care but you have to protect yourself.  

    But after, if she's still a PITA, you may have to bite that bullet. 

  • San Jose, CA · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    Yeah, I think for some reason, Salon Lady thinks she holds all the cards.  A M2M or short lease might make her behave better.  But, I doubt it.  Not with her track record with the previous landlord.  I think she needs to go as soon as possible.  Heck, she already owes for the cleaning and repainting, and there's no deposit.  

    The fact that she's paying the rent and not just walking away, does mean she wants to stay.  She just wants to be the boss.  I think her bluff needs to be called.  Behave, fix the damage, pay up on a security deposit, and short leases only, to make sure you behave.  At most.  And start looking for a replacement if she doesn't behave.

  • Member since 2016 · 13k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    10y

    Obviously your biggest problem is you. As a landlord you have and are making the most basic of landlord mistakes. You have two tenants that do not pay on time because you have sent a clear message to them that it is ok to pay whenever they wish. You may have told them otherwise but they know you are not serious.

    If you want to learn how to be a good landlord they are perfect to practice on. Tell them no pay no stay. If you have not received the full rent by the first of every month you will be forced to evict. Tell them both you will be bringing their rents to market over the next year. Tell them to pay only with money orders or checks. You do not accept any other form of payment.

    Once you train your tenants to pay on time you have learned step one of being a good landlord. If you can not train them you should seriously reconsider your decision to be a landlord because getting tenants to pay on time is only lesson one.

    Remember they are not the problem you are.

    As for the third tenant dealing with that type of personality may be a little advanced at this stage of your learning curve so don't stress just take it day to day till you gain some confidence. Personally they are my favorite kind of bad tenant. I generally move into their head and drive them crazy to entertain myself.  

  • San Jose, CA · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    @Thomas S. LOL, so Jedi Mind Tricks do work!

  • Investor · Maryville, IL · Member since 2016 · 129 posts · 81 votes
    10y

    Sue has fantastic advice.

    You should act and be decisive, now.

    My take?

    I really like the M2M situation you have with PITA, and that is your best leverage...it's amazing what a for lease sign plastered on her front door will do to an attitude - unless she's better prepared than all of us think, SHE has no exit strategy to get into a new location.  It will cost her two to three times what you're charging her right now to relocate, and you know that is not something she is prepared to do...she's all wind.  Shop for a new tenant and raise her rent to prove you mean business.  This will help you recoup your "painting cost."

    Art, needs to be brought current.  Nice is great.  Money is why he is allowed to stay there, though.  You can't spend "nice."  Shop for a new tenant.

    Money order, could be more timely, too.  Clarify with them that rent is due on time and in full.  Thank them for always being considerate enough to never let it slip past "X" date, but emphasize that it would be best for all if it came a week earlier rather than a week late.  Demonstrate this by how much they've paid in late fees over the past year.  Shop for a new tenant.

    Overall, I'd be looking for a new tenant in each of the situations without evicting anybody yet.  I wouldn't even mention the term, but I would do my own diligence to find an alternative to what you have in each situation.

    Could you live with all three?  Sure.  Is this what you really want month after month?  I'm sure it isn't.  You'll be ok.  Instead of fretting or getting angry/frustrated, be motivated and smile when you find that new occupant who will be the fresh start you are looking for!

    Blessings!

  • Real Estate Investor · Audubon, PA · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    10y

    Well, I hope your lease with the salon is a commercial lease and a good one at that - commercial tenants in PA do not have all of the same rights as a residential tenant, but if the lease gives them those rights ...

    A typical lease will have language to the effect that alterations (painting exterior) must be approved, and if approved must be restored to prior condition. See if your existing lease has such language in it, and send a "notice to quit" regarding this matter. "Notice to quit" is not just for when they don't pay - it is for when lease is violated in any way, it's the first step to attempt to correct the violation. 

  • Investor · Maryville, IL · Member since 2016 · 129 posts · 81 votes
    10y

    Greg's advice is awesome, too! 

    ...head games.

    @Sue Kelly and @Greg S. I would love you guys on my team anyday!

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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    10y

    Greg is on the money here. You have conditioned your tenants that they get to make the ground rules:

    1. Eventually, artsy nice guy will be one month behind, because you can't come that close to the deadline all the time and eventually not be behind. At some point you will find artsy nice guy gone, with his stuff, and you will be out two months of rent.

    2. Non-computer user: what does your lease say about how and where you accept payments? If it doesn't say, bad on you. Give her a stack of deposits slips to a specified account at a nearby bank (preferably one in walking distance), and let her know if she won't pay online this is how you are accepting rent going forward. 

    3. Commercial tenant - forget the lease. Move to get a deposit in hand. When she gets to month-to-month, drop the hammer. If she has a viable business, she'll play ball, and if she doesn't it's likely you'll end up eating some lost rent anyway. 

    One last thing: if you have no contingency for a vacancy, you are in a seriously precarious position. I would forget about expansion until you can prop up what you've got. 

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  • Investor · King of Prussia, PA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 339 votes
    10y

    @Alex M. I agree with @Raphaela Todd completely. Keep us updated on your progress

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    Rental Property Investor · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 18k+ votes
    10y

    @Alex M. that is not right that the previous owner kept her security deposit as payment for back rent. Security deposits transfer with the property as a damage deposit. If she owed them money, they should have taken her to small claims court. The seller took advantage of you.

    The tenants need to pay and given that they are paying under market value, there seems like little reason to put up with any crap from them. Why are you afraid of a vacancy when you have an opportunity to get more money?

    The hair dresser lady needs to be told to either sign the lease by XX day or tell her you will not be renewing. Let her know it is just business and she needs to make a decision to stay or go. I am not sure asking her to give you a deposit when you let the seller take instead of transferring it to you is the right thing to do. Just my opinion. It is reasonable to ask her to repair the damage from the painting or if not completed by XX day, then you correct the damage and send her a bill.

    You need to have some firm rules and enforce them with consequences. Just remind yourself and your tenants that it is only business. You have bills to pay and that is why they need to pay you.  

  • Member since 2016 · 13k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    10y

    The title of this thread points out one of the major defining factors between novice and seasoned professional landlords. As soon as a landlord convinces himself he can not or chooses not to risk a vacancy over getting tenants to conform to his rules he is already guaranteed to be on the losing end.

    If a landlord needs their tenants more that wants them the tenants own him. 

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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Thomas S.:

    The title of this thread points out one of the major defining factors between novice and seasoned professional landlords. As soon as a landlord convinces himself he can not or chooses not to risk a vacancy over getting tenants to conform to his rules he is already guaranteed to be on the losing end.

    If a landlord needs their tenants more that wants them the tenants own him. 

     I agree. I would let a unit go vacant or stay vacant before I would accept substandard tenants or put up with any crap from any of them. My tenants understand I have 3 rules: Pay the rent in full and on time, take care of the property, and live in peace in the neighborhood (I have SFHs). Break any of them more than once or twice and you are out on your ***. 

    If you can't afford a vacancy, you really can't afford to be a landlord. 

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  • Member since 2016 · 13k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    10y

    If you can't afford a vacancy, you really can't afford to be a landlord.

    Vacancies are factored into every landlords budgets. Changing tenants is part of doing business and changing to get rid of bad tenants or a bad situation is mandatory. Vacancies should never be a deciding factor when making decisions. If they are you are not solvent and should consider selling a underperforming property.

  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 185 posts · 97 votes
    10y

    Quick update: Thanks for all the feedback - both constructive and critical, as well as funny! This is why BP is the BEST. Ms. Salon Owner finally sucked it up and signed a lease. I'm into this with her for one more year, but security deposits are being paid, and everything is in writing and agreed to. I will need to make decisions about how strict to be about paint, but will likely offer her the option to clean it up still and only charge her for it if I have to send someone. 

    @Ashley Schroeder and @Theresa W. - lol. Great names!!! Thx for the constructive guidance/recommendations also. @Raphaela Todd - I agree. Nice but FIRM is the way to go.

    @Account Closed - thx for recommendations - especially the caution around Mr. Artsy and setting a precedent, and the "I'll get back to you on that". Unfortunately, on Ms. Salon Owner the lease would not have gone to month-to-month after this. It would have locked in at a year, just with an old lease from the previous owner. I was just trying to get into a more solid Pennsylvania Association of REALTORs commercial lease.

    @Michell P. - keep us updated on your situation, also. Glad to hear someone on here gets the not-being-ready-to-evict side of this.

    @Thomas S. - Ouch, but I agree. It was a little hard to swallow your feedback, but I think that that is totally the right way to look at it. It is me. If I was stricter, had not allowed this situation to develop in the first place, I wouldn't be posting asking for help on how to fix it.  I definitely am and will use this as a learning lesson and a practice park for how to deal with "problem" tenants.

    @Kurt Gardner - yeah. I can, and probably will live with them for a little while longer. I hope to "train" them a bit better in this time. Once I am ready to deal with vacancies on this property, and the necessary rehabs, I will be moving them all out one at a time to improve the rents and tenants.

    @Steve Babiak - always appreciate your constructive feedback. The lease is a PAR commercial lease, with a few addendums to address water bills, Business Improvement District fees, and common area repairs and expenses. It does have very clear language on alterations to the exterior, so moving forward, it should be much easier to keep on the same page now that we have a new lease in place. The old landlord had a pretty messy lease, and had not been very clear with expectations or expenses for his tenants - I am dealing with the repercussions of that at this point.

  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 185 posts · 97 votes
    10y

    @Thomas S. and @JD Martin - thanks for the comments. I should be clear that I do factor vacancies into my budgets. I just would really like to avoid a vacancy in this property at this point in time - if it has to happen, I am able to cover it. It is a choice based on weighing the pros and cons of dealing with difficult tenants, versus having to cover expenses in the "short term", meaning over this next 12 months.

    As far as precarious positions go, it is not quite so black and white. I had 3 rental units at the beginning of the year - 2 filled, one needing rehab. I now have 10. Only 5 are rented, so while I can cover the cost to have another vacant, I would really rather not. I am currently finishing up a major rehab on one unit - a SFR - and closed last week on three more units. I will be doing very minor rehabs on two of them and hope to have them filled within a month. The third will be close to a full gut rehab. I'm not planning to expand any more within the next 1-2 months, but will be on the lookout for a few more units hopefully by the beginning of the summer.

  • Member since 2016 · 13k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    10y

    One of the nice things, or bad things, about anonymous posts on the inter web is that we can be brutally honest with our opinions without really caring about how it is received. By the same token no one else's opinion need be respected or acted upon. You can easily dismiss me as an ahole and neither one of us cares.

    I personally do not sugar coat my responses and do not attempt to simply make people feel good about them selves or their decisions. Money and business are far too important to me regardless of whether it is mine or yours.

    We each also have our own approach to business and that must be considered when soliciting the advice of strangers. Take it with a grain of salt.

  • San Jose, CA · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    @Alex M. Yay on getting Salon Lady to sign!  Sounds like you're getting things worked out.

    I would bet that everyone here giving you advice has been in your shoes.  I know I learned the hard way.

    And along the lines of what @Thomas S. said above, I'm a bit concerned about you continuing to add units to your portfolio before you not only have all vacancies filled, but have some more experience under your belt in screening tenants and dealing with the ones you have.  It seems a little precarious to me.  Especially, as you can't really afford vacancies.

    Eviction, or the sincere threat of it, is the only real leverage a landlord has over a tenant.  I hate for you to lose that power.

  • Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 185 posts · 97 votes
    10y

    @Account Closed - thanks. I certainly hope so. 

    @Thomas S. no problem. No offense taken. My response was intended to state that I appreciate your direct response, not that I was offended by it. Hope it did not come across that way.

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