TENANTS FROM HELL #2 Tubs & Showers from hell. PICS INCLUDED!

TENANTS FROM HELL #2 Tubs & Showers from hell. PICS INCLUDED!

Real Estate Broker 路 Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH 路 Member since 2013 路 31k+ posts 路 20k+ votes

TENANTS FROM HELL #2

Tubs & Showers from hell.

Running one of the largest rental portfolios in the Cleveland, Ohio area I have managed 1,000's of properties & dealt with countless tenants. In short, I have seen it all. From death threats to tenants being murdered to overdose to theft, property damage, fire, destruction, damage & everything else in between.

The purpose of this blog is to peel back the curtain on the Property Management Business and show you some of the real life things that have happened to me or members of my company 1st hand. It's not always sunshine & rainbows. If you have the stomach for it, it's a very rewarding business but sometimes it can be scary, disturbing, challenging & sometimes down right disgusting.

ENJOY!

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The situation:

If you think you have seen a dirty tub, THINK AGAIN! Nothing compares a TENANT FROM HELL's TUB FROM HELL! Here is a nice compilation of some of the most savage tubs we have ran into over the years. These tubs are sure to make your skin crawl. 馃樂馃樂馃樂馃あ馃あ馃あ馃ぎ馃ぎ馃ぎ #TenantsFromHell

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Stop by & drop a comment on my other tenant from hell threads.

TENANTS FROM HELL #1 Deplorable living conditions. PICS INCLUDED!

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Investor 路 Columbus, OH 路 Member since 2016 路 139 posts 路 136 votes
8y
No one took a dump in any of those. Rookies.
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  • South Jersey 路 Member since 2016 路 78 posts 路 35 votes
    8y

    that bad of an area?

  • Real Estate Broker 路 FREDERICKSBURG, VA 路 Member since 2018 路 30 posts 路 36 votes
    8y

    Is there a TENANTS FROM HELL pic contest for student rentals? Because I have some pics in that category that are award winning (yet pretty graphic...unless maybe it's considered art???) Haha

  • Real Estate Broker 路 Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH 路 Member since 2013 路 31k+ posts 路 20k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    Is there a TENANTS FROM HELL pic contest for student rentals? Because I have some pics in that category that are award winning (yet pretty graphic...unless maybe it's considered art???) Haha

     Post those pics here. Let's see what you got. The more graphic the better. 馃憡

  • Real Estate Broker 路 Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH 路 Member since 2013 路 31k+ posts 路 20k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Dawn Curry:

    that bad of an area?

     I'd venture to guess you'll find this stuff in every region in the U.S. 

    I find that those looking from the outside are completely shocked at how the lanldording business really is. I mean c'mon who lights off fireworks in their bathtub?

    Until you've been in the game long enough it's all foreign. Once your in it it's par for the course. #savage.

  • Real Estate Broker 路 FREDERICKSBURG, VA 路 Member since 2018 路 30 posts 路 36 votes
    8y

    Alright, but I warned you!! Entire house covered in it...even the mailbox took a hit, hahaha. I can laugh now...Upper class college boys at a Jesuit college (LMU) in SoCal. Wealthy parents (guarantors) paid for all the damage.

  • Member since 2016 路 13k+ posts 路 12k+ votes
    8y

    @James Wise

    "What type of assett class do you work with?"

    You're right I deal with B class. Only time I see issues as posted is in my flips.

    It is always a surprise to come across people that live like pigs. 

  • Real Estate Broker 路 Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH 路 Member since 2013 路 31k+ posts 路 20k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    Alright, but I warned you!! Entire house covered in it...even the mailbox took a hit, hahaha. I can laugh now...Upper class college boys at a Jesuit college (LMU) in SoCal. Wealthy parents (guarantors) paid for all the damage.

     馃槀馃槀馃槀 love this. This is great. Damage done by college kids is the best damage. Its usually hilarious & you know your gonna get paid to fix it.

    Keep up the good work. 馃憤

  • Will GastonPro Member
    Rental Property Investor 路 Columbia, SC 路 Member since 2010 路 1k+ posts 路 2k+ votes
    8y

    @Michael Lee check out @Account Closed 's picture. Wow.

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Sumter, SC 路 Member since 2015 路 334 posts 路 531 votes
    8y

    What the...it looks like a group of 10 year olds went wild in there. College students? They should be mortified. 

    And I hope they weren't art majors, their drawings suck.

  • Columbia, SC 路 Member since 2015 路 88 posts 路 55 votes
    8y

    @Will Gaston Wow is right.  Clubhouse leader in the student rental category is @Account Closed ;)

  • Real Estate Broker 路 FREDERICKSBURG, VA 路 Member since 2018 路 30 posts 路 36 votes
    8y

    Thanks for the nomination @Michael Lee! I feel like I earned it in this case! :-) And yes @Dawn P., pretty shocking behavior for college students. You might expect filth and neglect....but not indoor paintball meets psychedelic porn graffiti! I will tell you, I was seriously disturbed by this at the time. I couldn't believe it, and I thought the parents were going to go ballistic. Instead, the two Dads that I dealt with were basically like "boys will be boys," paid the damages (about $8,000) and just paid for their sons to move into new places. I was thinking that my kid would be back home in my basement, working to pay off the money I paid to correct this and then re-enrolling in college when he/she got a clue!

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Dallas, TX 路 Member since 2017 路 1k+ posts 路 1k+ votes
    8y

    @James Wise Wow! That is some unreal stuff. Makes you wonder how some people can live in such filth. 

  • Real Estate Broker 路 Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH 路 Member since 2013 路 31k+ posts 路 20k+ votes
    8y

     Really love these photo's. I am actually pretty jealous. I think you bested me in my own thread. I need to up my game on the next one. I may have to bust out the photos of the van that exploded inside one of my garages just to compete with you.

  • Real Estate Broker 路 FREDERICKSBURG, VA 路 Member since 2018 路 30 posts 路 36 votes
    8y

    @James Wise: too funny, I've never shown these photos to anyone!! But here I am, enjoying a little attention for my property disaster, haha. I might just hang out on these forums more often!

  • Investor 路 Houston, TX 路 Member since 2015 路 233 posts 路 188 votes
    8y

    @James Wise Crazy, these pics are pretty bad! Eventually it'll most likely happen to everyone if stay in the business long enough. At least it gives you a good reason to rehab and increase rents!

  • Real Estate Broker 路 Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH 路 Member since 2013 路 31k+ posts 路 20k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Juan Vargas:

    @James Wise Crazy, these pics are pretty bad! Eventually it'll most likely happen to everyone if stay in the business long enough. At least it gives you a good reason to rehab and increase rents!

     That's the spirit. Always tell everyone to remember if it was easy everyone would be millionaire real estate investors. Just take the good with the bad & keep grinding forward.

  • Investor 路 Atlanta, GA 路 Member since 2014 路 389 posts 路 250 votes
    8y

    @Account Closed -- my kid would be living in the basement, working at the car factory along with your kid.  But he went to high school with kids raised like your former tenants -- they knew that whatever they did, mom & dad would cover.  Wreck the Rover?  Buy a Land Cruiser next time.  Drop the iPhone in the toilet? New improved model coming right up.  And that's why those students treated your place the way they did.  Because, why not??  Boggles the mind, but you got a totally refreshed house on dad's tab.

  • Real Estate Broker 路 Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH 路 Member since 2013 路 31k+ posts 路 20k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Anna Watkins:

    @Account Closed -- my kid would be living in the basement, working at the car factory along with your kid.  But he went to high school with kids raised like your former tenants -- they knew that whatever they did, mom & dad would cover.  Wreck the Rover?  Buy a Land Cruiser next time.  Drop the iPhone in the toilet? New improved model coming right up.  And that's why those students treated your place the way they did.  Because, why not??  Boggles the mind, but you got a totally refreshed house on dad's tab.

     Too many people giving out participation trophies to kids these days.

  • Investor 路 Northern, VA 路 Member since 2016 路 1k+ posts 路 904 votes
    8y

    To all the guys and gals who posted the pics... Do you NOT do periodic inspection of your properties. I would think it you would somehow be able to keep the tenants under tighter control, if you have it in the lease and actually send someone  to inspect.  Doesn't have to be a professional, licensed inspector. Can be anyone.. a friend, a PM, a realtor.. Someone who can go in and take notes of the condition of the property. 

    I have it in my leases that I will perform inspections 2 times a yr. I also stress it several times during signing of the lease, that either me or one of my guys will come and inspect the property at 6 month interval. Now if you did SEC 8, the county/city does it as a part of renewing the voucher for the tenants. So its part and parcel of the process... See why I like SEC 8.  IF SEC 8 tenants would do what these spoiled brats did, those voucher recipients will be on the street, and lose their privileges. 

  • Real Estate Broker 路 Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH 路 Member since 2013 路 31k+ posts 路 20k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:

    To all the guys and gals who posted the pics... Do you NOT do periodic inspection of your properties. I would think it you would somehow be able to keep the tenants under tighter control, if you have it in the lease and actually send someone  to inspect.  Doesn't have to be a professional, licensed inspector. Can be anyone.. a friend, a PM, a realtor.. Someone who can go in and take notes of the condition of the property. 

    I have it in my leases that I will perform inspections 2 times a yr. I also stress it several times during signing of the lease, that either me or one of my guys will come and inspect the property at 6 month interval. Now if you did SEC 8, the county/city does it as a part of renewing the voucher for the tenants. So its part and parcel of the process... See why I like SEC 8.  IF SEC 8 tenants would do what these spoiled brats did, those voucher recipients will be on the street, and lose their privileges. 

     The argument that more frequent inspections simply & automatically solves these problems is common, but incredibly flawed.

    If you did an inspection & saw one of those tubs during your inspection what would your immediate course of action be? Would that course of action be a reaction out of emotion or one that would ensure you retain a higher net return?

  • Investor 路 Northern, VA 路 Member since 2016 路 1k+ posts 路 904 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @James Wise:
    Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:

    To all the guys and gals who posted the pics... Do you NOT do periodic inspection of your properties. I would think it you would somehow be able to keep the tenants under tighter control, if you have it in the lease and actually send someone  to inspect.  Doesn't have to be a professional, licensed inspector. Can be anyone.. a friend, a PM, a realtor.. Someone who can go in and take notes of the condition of the property. 

    I have it in my leases that I will perform inspections 2 times a yr. I also stress it several times during signing of the lease, that either me or one of my guys will come and inspect the property at 6 month interval. Now if you did SEC 8, the county/city does it as a part of renewing the voucher for the tenants. So its part and parcel of the process... See why I like SEC 8.  IF SEC 8 tenants would do what these spoiled brats did, those voucher recipients will be on the street, and lose their privileges. 

     The argument that more frequent inspections simply & automatically solves these problems is common, but incredibly flawed.

    If you did an inspection & saw one of those tubs during your inspection what would your immediate course of action be? Would that course of action be a reaction out of emotion or one that would ensure you retain a higher net return?

    OK. Now you are putting words in my mouth. That is definitely not WISE (lol). When did I say that..   All it does is it mitigates the chances of people abusing your property. Just like a camera is very helpful in preventing the robbery from happening in the first place. 

    If I saw that kind of nastiness in one of my properties, the first reaction would be lot of expletives, and I have some real original ones. But the whole point of my response was to try and put proper processes in place to mitigate the risk. Nothing is guaranteed 100%. Life itself is a risk. 

  • Real Estate Broker 路 Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH 路 Member since 2013 路 31k+ posts 路 20k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:
    Originally posted by @James Wise:
    Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:

    To all the guys and gals who posted the pics... Do you NOT do periodic inspection of your properties. I would think it you would somehow be able to keep the tenants under tighter control, if you have it in the lease and actually send someone  to inspect.  Doesn't have to be a professional, licensed inspector. Can be anyone.. a friend, a PM, a realtor.. Someone who can go in and take notes of the condition of the property. 

    I have it in my leases that I will perform inspections 2 times a yr. I also stress it several times during signing of the lease, that either me or one of my guys will come and inspect the property at 6 month interval. Now if you did SEC 8, the county/city does it as a part of renewing the voucher for the tenants. So its part and parcel of the process... See why I like SEC 8.  IF SEC 8 tenants would do what these spoiled brats did, those voucher recipients will be on the street, and lose their privileges. 

     The argument that more frequent inspections simply & automatically solves these problems is common, but incredibly flawed.

    If you did an inspection & saw one of those tubs during your inspection what would your immediate course of action be? Would that course of action be a reaction out of emotion or one that would ensure you retain a higher net return?

    OK. Now you are putting words in my mouth. That is definitely not WISE (lol). When did I say that..   All it does is it mitigates the chances of people abusing your property. Just like a camera is very helpful in preventing the robbery from happening in the first place. 

    If I saw that kind of nastiness in one of my properties, the first reaction would be lot of expletives, and I have some real original ones. But the whole point of my response was to try and put proper processes in place to mitigate the risk. Nothing is guaranteed 100%. Life itself is a risk. 

     Alright after a flurry of expletives what would you do?

    Note that I am not trying to back you into a corner or catch you in a gotcha kinda scenario....The purpose of this question is to open investors minds. Get them to think outside of the box. Get them to focus on the bottom line only, while pushing emotion to the site. At some point investors need to accept that their properties will not be treated how they treat their own personal space, and you know what? That's ok. It's part of the business. Would it be nice if tenants didn't act like that? Yes. But if they acted like we did in all aspects of life they'd probably have just purchased their own homes anyway.

  • Investor 路 Northern, VA 路 Member since 2016 路 1k+ posts 路 904 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @James Wise:
    Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:
    Originally posted by @James Wise:
    Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:

    To all the guys and gals who posted the pics... Do you NOT do periodic inspection of your properties. I would think it you would somehow be able to keep the tenants under tighter control, if you have it in the lease and actually send someone  to inspect.  Doesn't have to be a professional, licensed inspector. Can be anyone.. a friend, a PM, a realtor.. Someone who can go in and take notes of the condition of the property. 

    I have it in my leases that I will perform inspections 2 times a yr. I also stress it several times during signing of the lease, that either me or one of my guys will come and inspect the property at 6 month interval. Now if you did SEC 8, the county/city does it as a part of renewing the voucher for the tenants. So its part and parcel of the process... See why I like SEC 8.  IF SEC 8 tenants would do what these spoiled brats did, those voucher recipients will be on the street, and lose their privileges. 

     The argument that more frequent inspections simply & automatically solves these problems is common, but incredibly flawed.

    If you did an inspection & saw one of those tubs during your inspection what would your immediate course of action be? Would that course of action be a reaction out of emotion or one that would ensure you retain a higher net return?

    OK. Now you are putting words in my mouth. That is definitely not WISE (lol). When did I say that..   All it does is it mitigates the chances of people abusing your property. Just like a camera is very helpful in preventing the robbery from happening in the first place. 

    If I saw that kind of nastiness in one of my properties, the first reaction would be lot of expletives, and I have some real original ones. But the whole point of my response was to try and put proper processes in place to mitigate the risk. Nothing is guaranteed 100%. Life itself is a risk. 

     Alright after a flurry of expletives what would you do?

    Note that I am not trying to back you into a corner or catch you in a gotcha kinda scenario....The purpose of this question is to open investors minds. Get them to think outside of the box. Get them to focus on the bottom line only, while pushing emotion to the site. At some point investors need to accept that their properties will not be treated how they treat their own personal space, and you know what? That's ok. It's part of the business. Would it be nice if tenants didn't act like that? Yes. But if they acted like we did in all aspects of life they'd probably have just purchased their own homes anyway.

    After the initial emotion has waned off, I will show them the lease agreement that they have signed with me, and how they are in breach of the agreement. In most cases  security deposit will not be enough to cover extensive damage like that, so I would set up a payment plan with the guys, where they are contributing towards reducing the balance on the damage. Of course, the repainting will be done by my contractor. 

    If something like this is caught at the 6 month interval on a 12 month lease, you have chance to recovering at least some of the damages. Good luck hunting down some of these guys once they have moved out. 

    Kat Horn should consider herself lucky that daddy is rich enough to be able to afford $8K. Good luck hunting down piss poor people who live hand to mouth - paycheck to paycheck. 

  • Investor 路 Northern, VA 路 Member since 2016 路 1k+ posts 路 904 votes
    8y

    Additionally, showing them the VA Code (since all my properties are in VA) which can be used to evict them for non-compliance doesn't hurt.

    https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title55/chapte...

    I am sure other states have their statutes too. 

  • Real Estate Broker 路 Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH 路 Member since 2013 路 31k+ posts 路 20k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:

    Additionally, showing them the VA Code (since all my properties are in VA) which can be used to evict them for non-compliance doesn't hurt.

    https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title55/chapte...

    I am sure other states have their statutes too. 

     I like the strategy of showing them the lease & them brushing the topic of eviction. I think it's a bonus if they back down & pay. What would you do if they didn't pay? Would you move forward with the eviction or keep collecting the rent until they move out?

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