Tenant Complaining About Strength of Wi-Fi Network

Tenant Complaining About Strength of Wi-Fi Network

Rental Property Investor · Keene, NH · Member since 2018 · 115 posts · 73 votes

Hi all,

We have some college student tenants whom we inherited from the previous owner. Most of them are fine, but one of them is very needy. The legacy lease provides internet, which we have provided and which works in the common areas of her unit, and which also works in two remote bedrooms (albeit not at lightning speeds) via a Wi-Fi extender that we provided as a courtesy.

My business partner has tested the Wi-Fi in her bedroom three times, and has been able to connect and load webpages. He also watched the tenant connect and load webpages. My understanding is that she is not able to stream Netflix on her smart TV. She's complained to her father, who is a co-signer on her lease, and he has gone into helicopter parent mode harassing us to "fix" the problem. Based on the content of his messages, we have learned that the tenant is feeding him misleading information about her complaint (we believe that she is trying to avoid taking responsibility for the fact that her complaint does not pertain to her ability to do schoolwork as she has maintained, but rather to watch Netflix).

The lease states that landlord provides internet. It does not state that we provide Wi-Fi, or guarantee coverage in all areas of the apartment. We aren't trying to screw anyone on technicalities, but we've already provided a free extender, and offered to give the tenant a $50 credit towards purchasing her own extender if she feels that would help. I believe that we met the requirements of the lease when we made internet available within the unit, and exceeded it when we provided the extender and offered to help them buy additional equipment. 

I don't want to train the tenant to expect technical support on her devices from us, and I also don't want to spend the next three months test driving equipment and configuring tenant devices on the network. In my last email, I told the tenant's father the the technical support he is requesting is beyond our expertise, the scope of our business, and the requirements of the lease.

Based on this background, do you feel we are being reasonable? How would you have handled this situation, and is there anything we might do differently in the future to help manage tenant's expectations from the get go?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!

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Anthony McEvoyPro Member
Investor · Champaign, IL · Member since 2018 · 160 posts · 114 votes
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@Christopher Freeman: I feel you have gone way above and beyond if that is how the lease reads.  Next step... I would take out the Wifi and leave them a modem.  They can connect their own Wifi to the modem provided... or are you providing Wifi to the whole building?

Honestly... look at the future of the tenant.  College student... so not a long time tenant most likely.  If she was someone that had the potential to be there for 5 years, then I may try a little more.

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  • Richmond, VA · Member since 2016 · 215 posts · 129 votes
    8y

    From a landlord perspective, I would get out of the internet business.  Unless all of your competition is providing this and it is essentially a defacto requirement in your area in order to rent a unit, there's just too many things that can cause problems (legally and otherwise).

    From a technical perspective, I do networking and server administration for a living and I would be complaining as well especially as I'm assuming your lease doesn't say "internet is for school related usage only."  Going to a device, loading a webpage, and saying that it works is like going to a sink, turning it on all the way, getting a slow drip, and saying the sink works.  If I were her, I'd be complaining too.  I should be able to sit in my room and have functional internet.  Yes, Netflix can be very bandwidth intensive if the bandwidth is there.  It will also degrade down to about 5 megabit before failing to work.  My dad has an 8 megabit DSL connection, works just fine.  So if her's isn't working, she's getting less than than.

    Part of the problem is the repeaters.  They kill speed because your device makes a request, the request goes to the extender, the extender then repeats the request and the same thing happens on the reverse.  They're great if you have little to no signal because now you have more than you had, but they do slow things down.

    I suspect the problem with the wifi signal is in one of two places.  From the sounds of it, you're using the wifi embedded in the modem that the ISP is providing.  These are generally "cheap" units as no big business is going to pop for the quality units they're deploying to hundreds of homes.  The other potential problem source is most routers provicde 2.4ghz and 5ghz signals.  The 5ghz signals almost can't even pass through a piece of paper (ok, I'm exaggerating somewhat), but they do degrade quickly the more they have to pass through walls and such.

    I also wouldn't discount the damage a simple staircase can do to wifi signals.  I have one in the line of sight between my router and my bedroom.  Don't know what's inside that staircase, but it kills the signal.  Ended up replacing my cheap Linksys router with a much more expensive Asus router and all my signal issues went away.

    So while there's probably not much you can do for her, you are essentially her internet provider and if I were in her place, I'd be complaining too.

  • Rental Property Investor · Keene, NH · Member since 2018 · 115 posts · 73 votes
    8y

    @Mark H., thank you for taking the time to write out a comprehensive response. I do agree with your assessment that this would be frustrating for the tenant. As a landlord, do you feel that my response to their ongoing emails was appropriate (see ^^ a couple posts).

  • Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 523 posts · 476 votes
    8y

    I think your response has been fair and you've done your part. However, I would look into seeing whether something else can be done that doesn't take more money out of your pocket (some folks here have shared ideas), otherwise, the credit you gave her and her dad allows them to figure out a solution. But, going forward, when you do your own leases, you definitely want to get yourself out of the Internet business with tenants. I give them the names of the local Internet providers, and encourage them to call before they move in to arrange installation, and the rest is in their hands. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Cupertino, CA · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    Suggest you issue a letter that is their problem. Threaten to cancel the contract.

    Not sure you know this. Many insurance companies do not insure homes with students as tenants.

  • Rental Property Investor · Keene, NH · Member since 2018 · 115 posts · 73 votes
    8y

    @Sam Shueh, really?! Wouldn't that be illegal age discrimination?

    My understanding is that canceling the contract would constitute retaliation. They haven't violated their lease, they're just annoying.

  • Real Estate Agent · Cupertino, CA · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    The students have caused so much to the insurance industry and claims. The same with dealing with mouthy tenants.

  • Rental Property Investor · The Vampire State · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Christopher Freeman:

    @Sam Shueh, really?! Wouldn't that be illegal age discrimination?

    My understanding is that canceling the contract would constitute retaliation. They haven't violated their lease, they're just annoying.

    I would just ride out the lease by placating them via reasonable means as it seems you have, and upon lease renewal nix the internet amenity.  In answer to your original question, I think you are being more than fair with your suggested remedies.  Hopefully the lease is up soon.

  • Richmond, VA · Member since 2016 · 215 posts · 129 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Christopher Freeman:

    @Mark H., thank you for taking the time to write out a comprehensive response. I do agree with your assessment that this would be frustrating for the tenant. As a landlord, do you feel that my response to their ongoing emails was appropriate (see ^^ a couple posts).

    I don't have a problem with the response that you sent.  It was more the reference to her as being needy for wanting it to work properly and her dad as chopperdad that I took issue with.  I can see a college student who is having a problem calling dad and saying she doesn't know what to do and probably twisting the truth to some degree and dad just wants to help his daugher.

    But this is also part of why I suggested getting out of the internet business.  Tenant moves in and finds out there's a signal issue, they deal or go buy a $200+ router to fix it (or a mesh setup like the another poster suggested), but when the landlord is including it in the rent, they expect it to work in all corners of the house. :)

    Like others have suggested, I would remove it from any future leases and let the students call the cable/dsl/whatever provider directly.  I did it when I was in college and it worked just fine.

  • Real Estate Agent · Princeton, NJ · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y
    Christopher Freeman - I spent $200 on two “Mesh” WIFI devices and all my tenant complaints about WiFi went away. The cheaper extenders didn’t help. I have 1000 mbps FIOS service when hardwired but the fastest on my phone is 30-50 mbps. I tested downloads through the house before the extender and it was 20-40 mbps just it kept flaking out mid stream according to my tenants, so I didn’t detect an actual problem. In a world where they’re paying you whatever, include the uber extenders (they were super easy plug and play) and add onto the rent next year. I’m planning to hardwire the whole house so they can take advantage of the 1000mbps gigabit line though. You could also tell her to buy a 100’ cable and run it in the hall to hardwire in her tv / laptop or pay for your guys to fish it through the walls.
  • SFR Investor · Denton, TX · Member since 2013 · 1 post · 1 vote
    8y
    @Christopher Freeman Sounds like the measures you have taken are appropriate and sufficient.
  • Investor · Fairport, NY · Member since 2015 · 124 posts · 74 votes
    8y

    @Christopher Freeman

    Chris, 

    I feel for you on this one, seems like you have spent a lot of time trying to resolve the problem.  I have worked in IT for 20 years, including responsibility for wireless.  There are so many factors that can impact throughput, signal coverage is only one of them.   Even with a solid signal the end user device has to successfully connect.  So many factors can impact the client side performance.  Channel, frequency, firmware, software, security settings, noise in the environment, something as simple as moving furniture around can impact coverage.  To make it even more challenging wireless tends to be fluid, one day it will be solid and the next may experience issues.   Someone may advise to simply crank up the power, but many times that makes the problem worse.   

    Unless you are willing to take responsibility for every possible aspect of the wireless I would provide a wired jack and let them figure out the rest.  Like you said you are required to provide Internet, not wireless.

    Good luck. 

  • Engineer · Portland, OR · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y
    @Christopher Freeman you have already done too much. No way anyone should be going out there 3 times. As you suspect the usual suspects for speed and bandwidth are streaming movies, massive uploads, and online gaming. None of which are required for school work. You can offer a differential if she wants to pay for premium internet, otherwise tell her “No” and stop getting aggravated or rewarding her complaints
  • Engineer · Portland, OR · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y
    @Charlie MacPherson he is providing basic internet. She can log In and and loaf webpages. What do you think geek squad is going to do? Are they going to reflash her modem hardware with secret fast software or replace her modem Chips with custom ASICS and recalibrate her signal with extenders?
  • W2 Engineer and part time REI · St. Louis, MO · Member since 2017 · 43 posts · 36 votes
    8y

    As others have mentioned replacing the ISP provided router with a higher quality one could help. You are probably paying $2-5/month for a crummy router that costs $40. A high quality router will pay for itself probably in 1-2 years and should last longer than that. At a very minimum buy your own crummy router instead of paying for theirs over again every year.

    you can also try adjusting the wifi to use a different channel. search the app store / play store on your phone for wifi analyzer. connect your phone to the wifi analyzer and it will show you the relative strength of your network compared to others in the area causing interference. I put an image of what this looks like for my home network for example. This is in a neighborhood of single family homes on decent lots yet look at how congested it is. As density goes up it gets even worse. This is also a great tool to use to triangulate which home the "bring beer for password" network is coming from. try adjusting the wifi channel on your router and test to see how it compares. google, "how to optimize wifi channel" for more detailed how-to. This is more technical than a lot of people will do but it is also free and can help tremendously.

    One more option is to try hard wiring the TV to the router. If wifi is the problem this should solve it and also help the other wifi devices on the same network perform better. If it all possible hard wire everything you can and only use wifi for the things that need it. Putting the wiring in the wall as @Natalie Schanne mentioned is great to have but I wouldn't let them do it themselves. Who knows they might not care about a small cable snaking down the hall if it solves the problem.

    @Natalie Schanne

  • Miami, FL · Member since 2018 · 1 post · 1 vote
    8y

    As a former Corporate Network Engineer and Designer, one option is that Powerline over Ethernet device that also has localized Wi-Fi. They can plug it into one of the rooms. I use this in my bedroom for Netflix. Hope it helps. 

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  • Lexington, KY · Member since 2018 · 169 posts · 77 votes
    8y

    I would use @Account Closed's solution except instead of splitting the coax I would run an ethernet cable from the router to an access point closer to the unit with bad connectivity.

  • Rental Property Investor · Providence, RI · Member since 2016 · 67 posts · 10 votes
    8y
    @Christopher Freeman 30% increase BAM!! Way to capture some additional value, I think it’s smart to consider If long term tenant - that was a good idea. But with your rent increase coming; and it being a college rental - seems like you have done all you should. Everyone complains.
  • Specialist · Louisville, KY · Member since 2017 · 166 posts · 154 votes
    8y
    @Christopher Freeman Have your Tennant “clear the cookies” on her internet. Not doing so will cause slower speeds and performance. I had AT&T fiber installed in my home...that’s straight from the tech...For some reason it impacts it. Also, doing a speed-check from a phone will only be so good as they bounce between feeding from WIFI and from CELL. I’d buy one more extender or just hand her an Ethernet cable and tell her to plug it (both the computer and her mouth). 😁
  • Rental Property Investor · Keene, NH · Member since 2018 · 115 posts · 73 votes
    8y
    @Samuel Carmichael, funny, that's almost exactly how big of a rent increase they have coming. They have the better of the two units in the building and pay 500 less than the people in the other unit.
  • Real Estate Investor · Oceanside, CA · Member since 2015 · 34 posts · 9 votes
    8y

    You have done so much already and you did right by notifying the tenant's father/co-signer that the problem is "beyond our expertise". In the past, as an Onsite Manager at an 18-unit building we constantly got complaints about how slow or non working the Wi-Fi/Internet was, luckily every tenant was responsible for setting up their own internet provider/services. If you are dealing with an entire building, it may just be that this specific tenant lives in a unit that has low internet, which is often the case according to many internet providers. It seems you have already stated in the lease that though you offer WiFi, it is not guaranteed, so you should be fine, you have gone through more than you need to, which is excellent your behalf. Hopefully your issue can be resolved soon! 

  • Member since 2018 · 4 posts · 15 votes
    8y

    Encountered similar WiFi issues in one of my rentals.  Rental unit is surrounded by high density housing with homebound wireless signal being drown out by neighboring signals (this can be visualized via "WiFi Analyzer" app).    We mitigated slow Internet signal for tenants in two ways.  1) Hard wiring ethernet cable direct to computer from modem/router won huge improvement and 2) going on advice from ISP tech guy we purchased Netgear "NightHawk" wireless modem/router which boosted our signal above the background signals.  Prior to this we were ignorantly leasing ISP cable modem/router unaware of how utterly worthless it was at broadcasting a strong WiFi signal.   Your mileage may vary but worked for us___

  • Midland, TX · Member since 2015 · 90 posts · 75 votes
    8y
    Lots of posts on this topic. I am an I.T guy. From that point of view... I would run a speed test from the areas that she complains have low connectivity. You could monitor channel traffic, and select a less used wifi channel. Another option would be to run a cable through the wall and create a wall jack for her tv. None are hugely expensive, I wouldn't happily pay for them as the property owner, but of it keeps the otherwise good tenant happy...eh. If you anticipate renting to more college students in the future, the wall jack may be a selling point for them.
  • Westchester, NY · Member since 2018 · 115 posts · 52 votes
    8y

    As many others have noted, the lease states you provide internet, not the strength, speed or throughput.  I don't think you have a problem.

    As an IT guy, I live north of NYC; there are dozens of networks all interfering with each other.  Even microwaves can interfere with older wifi network bands.  The further you get from the router the slower the speed is; it doesn't matter if you are paying for 1,000,000 MB; if you are out of range of the wifi, you get 0.

    Rather than putting on your IT hat, I suggest you buy a 100ft CAT 5 cable (computer network cable) and she can drag it out and plug into it, whenever she needs the higher speeds.  Hard wiring will not be impacted by the multitude of wifi networks.  This is the suggestion Ryan Edwards and Russel S also make.

    In my place (3 family home), I also provide internet.  Due to the surrounding networks, the 3rd floor did not get access.  I ran a hard line (CAT5) to a spare router on the 3rd floor which acted as an access point.  This would be more of a PIA and probably something that takes a bit more networking expertise.  This is another variation of what Ryan Evans and Daniel Chow allude to when mentioning "running coax;" this solution only requires a standard network cable from any IT shop.

    An excellent response to ChopperDad.

    Joe

  • Coppell, TX · Member since 2015 · 485 posts · 310 votes
    8y

    Turn this problem around into a selling point.  Fix it, like others said using mesh routers, get the bandwidth that student demographic craves and sell it (at a higher slightly above market rate) on the next renters, advertise "high speed internet", challenge them to find that at other places.. 

    I also liked the suggestion to run network drops, depending on the structure, maybe an easy fix as well.

    This is relatively easy to fix, just not with extenders.  

    I'm an engineer.

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    Realtor, General Contractor, and Developer · Redding, CA · Member since 2009 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    8y

    @Account Closed I don't know where you're living, but the cost to upgrade to a faster service with more data will be far more than $5 per month. 

    If I were you, I'd change the lease for future tenants to ready you will provide for basic internet connection, howerver; tenants will be responsible for upgrading for higher data usage at their expense. They can use their verizon accounts and have their own hot spot, etc. Other wise, you will have one tenant that can suck up all the data and leave the others unable to have what they need. 

    Data rules the world, and unless you are in a large city, the chances of having enough data at a high enough speed is rare. 

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