How do you "harden" your rentals?

How do you "harden" your rentals?

Chuck B.Pro Member
Investor · Louisville, KY · Member since 2011 · 279 posts · 248 votes

Dear Pocketers,

How do you harden / bullet-proof your rentals?

While I've never had anyone utterly trash a rental of mine, I've seen the damage they can do first hand (typically when buying the rental and seeing what the previous occupants did to it). Here are a few of the things I do:

One of my favorites, and easiest to do, is that I "frame" all wire racks, their support rods, towel holders, toilet paper holders, etc. using backer wood that is mounted to studs. If it's very visible, we'll route the edges and paint it like trim. If it's in a closet, it just gets wall color. This way, if the kids hang off the coat racks or someone abuses the towel holders, they may yank the hardware down, but it doesn't leave holes in the wall. It's also much harder to destroy them in the first place. Note the towel holder mounting:

When first buying a property, if it's easily accessible, I'll replace copper with Pex (plastic) plumbing from the get go, even if the copper is OK. I don't have to worry about it freezing and it's not a crime target.

We cage all of our A/C units now using custom fabricated 2 inch square tube, typically mounting them into the wall so the bolts have to be released from inside. I also lock exterior A/C circuit boxes and label the units, cage and circuit box with A/C specific alarm stickers that I had made up.

I will frequently install an inexpensive alarm system (not monitored) which gives me peace of mind between tenants and acts as a selling point when showing the units.

I've doubled up on door stops (to prevent doorknobs from going into walls). While I use the standard springy ones that mount into baseboard still, they tend to be targets for kids and end up missing, so I back these up with the plastic circles that affix to the wall where the handle would hit. (These are also great for just covering a previously made hole where the door knob hit the wall) They're expensive though, so I've started buying large, bulk packages of plastic, foam-backed pads that you set furniture on, and simply using double sided tape behind these. These cost maybe 30 cents apiece where the purpose built ones cost $3 apiece.

If I have to renovate a bathroom, I no longer use the plastic/fiberglass shower inserts. I've seen people put holes into both the tubs and crack the walls of these. For just a couple hundred more I'll have an iron tub installed and we'll tile the shower. It's a lot more attractive and seems to be a lot more durable in the long run.

What tricks have you learned to "harden" your own rentals?

Best,
- Chuck

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Investor · Statewide, MO · Member since 2011 · 814 posts · 425 votes
14y

Avoid carpet wherever possible. I have begun using allure flooring. It's attractive and allegedly very durable, a 25 year floor. It's floating and waterproof.

Yard: Make as much as possible, mower maintainable. Limit / remove trees and shrubs whenever possible.

Plumbing fixtures: Use shedule 40 drain pipes under bathroom and kitchen sinks with a wye cleanout. I have had so many leaks with the screw together pipe over the years.

Bathroom remodels: Remove any bathroom windows that reside inside a shower enclosure. They can be a massive maintenance headache. Install a fart fan to bring it up to code.

Gas lines: remove all unused fuel runs. Run electric for dryer and stove if electric not present.

Security: 4 inch screws in the latches of all exterior doors. Makes it a little tougher for them to get in and steal my copper.

Storm doors, if present: have chains installed so they can't whip wide open and trash the closers. Be clear with the tenant, they're on the hook for it if anything happens. It's best to remove them altogether.

Appliances: NEVER an icemaker. They make up 50% of appliance service calls. NO THANKS!

If having a furnace installed, pay the extra 10-25 and have a filter rack installed. Makes changing the filter much much easier.

Wish I learned these things on day 1.

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  • Real Estate Investor · Millbrook, AL · Member since 2008 · 68 posts · 34 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Jeff Aponik:
    Very interesting idea for flooring. What do you use to paint the grid lines on and how do you adhere the sheets to the subfloor? Construction adhesive, screws, nails? Thanks!

    @Christian Morency

    Hi Jeff, I made a jig with two 45 degree edged 1x2's held apart by tacking a small piece of 1/4 inch plywood on each end. I left a 3/8th inch gap between them. Just lay it on your chaulk line and spray it black with those special cans you use upside down or you can use a paint brush.

    Use an artists brush and a straight edge to hand paint the parts you can't get to with the "big" jig.

    I use screws or crown staples and double up around all edges.

    I have done 5 of my own houses and one for a friend. Dare to be different.

  • Naperville, IL · Member since 2014 · 35 posts · 6 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Mark Forest:
    This is a great thread, and I have not read it all yet. As for carpet my wife cleans it with a cheap carpet cleaner we bought. We have just had renters destroy our wood floors. I think I am reluctant to have wood floors again.

    Great thread... Yeah this is my experience too. People say "no carpet" but hardwood can be easily scratched up by unprotected feet of furniture, and pets REALLY can scratch up the floors. a few years of a dog or cat running around the house can call for a floor refinish.

    I had a tenant request hardwood floors to help with her allergies. I declined and basically said with her cat and dog she'll have to hand me her security deposit to refinish the floor after her animals scratch it all up.

    Agree with the tile tho

    Am I looking at this wrong?

    Mike

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    12y

    I try to avoid carpet as much as possible.

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    12y

    @Christian Morency some pretty good tips. thanks for sharing.

  • Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 136 posts · 32 votes
    12y

    @James Wise

    Same here, my new favorite is this new type of thick vinyl that looks like hardwood but is way more durable. Carpet is way too high maintenance especially in places where you have a high turnover.

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    12y

    @Account Closed I like to use the allure vinyl from home depot that looks like wood. Good stuff. I use the cherry a lot.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    mandatory once a month "bump" for this thread.

  • Rental Property Investor · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 876 votes
    12y

    On the laminate topic, I've noticed some of the Costco product I use most has now changed to have beveled edges instead of the square edges that often start to show after a while on flexible substrates. I can't wait to use it, though it seems to be only in cherry and not the oak I prefer.

    And on the countertop front, I recently examined my first granite tile top from 05, and it looks as good as the day I finished it, despite the fact it's gotten no grout or granite sealing since.

  • Rental Property Investor · Douglas County, MO · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @James Wise:
    @Account Closed I like to use the allure vinyl from home depot that looks like wood. Good stuff. I use the cherry a lot.

    Is that the click together or the kind with the sticky edges?

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    12y

    No sticky. It floats. It's great

    @Sylvia B.

  • Rental Property Investor · Douglas County, MO · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @James Wise:
    No sticky. It floats. It's great
    @Sylvia B.

    The sticky ones float too. They just stick together on the edges. (To each other, not the floor)

    TrafficMASTER Allure 6 in. x 36 in. Autumn Oak Resilient Vinyl Plank Flooring (24 sq. ft./case)

    PRODUCT OVERVIEW

    Use the TrafficMaster Allure 6 in. x 36 in. Autumn Oak Vinyl Plank Flooring to add the warm, comfortable style of real wood to your interior living space. This durable, water-resistant vinyl flooring is great for use in basements, kitchens and bathrooms. It offers a grip-strip design for simple installation.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Sylvia B.:
    Originally posted by @James Wise:
    No sticky. It floats. It's great
    @Sylvia B.

    The sticky ones float too. They just stick together on the edges. (To each other, not the floor)

    TrafficMASTER Allure 6 in. x 36 in. Autumn Oak Resilient Vinyl Plank Flooring (24 sq. ft./case)

    PRODUCT OVERVIEW

    Use the TrafficMaster Allure 6 in. x 36 in. Autumn Oak Vinyl Plank Flooring to add the warm, comfortable style of real wood to your interior living space. This durable, water-resistant vinyl flooring is great for use in basements, kitchens and bathrooms. It offers a grip-strip design for simple installation.

    i have had problems with that in my own basement. it lifts and peels all over the place and it's a trip hazard. i have a thread on this too.

  • Rental Property Investor · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 876 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @George P.:
    Originally posted by @Sylvia B.:
    Originally posted by @James Wise:
    No sticky. It floats. It's great
    @Sylvia B.

    The sticky ones float too. They just stick together on the edges. (To each other, not the floor)

    TrafficMASTER Allure 6 in. x 36 in. Autumn Oak Resilient Vinyl Plank Flooring (24 sq. ft./case)

    PRODUCT OVERVIEW

    Use the TrafficMaster Allure 6 in. x 36 in. Autumn Oak Vinyl Plank Flooring to add the warm, comfortable style of real wood to your interior living space. This durable, water-resistant vinyl flooring is great for use in basements, kitchens and bathrooms. It offers a grip-strip design for simple installation.

    i have had problems with that in my own basement. it lifts and peels all over the place and it's a trip hazard. i have a thread on this too.

    That was my fear of that stuff, despite many great reviews. I did a kitchen in the click solid vinyl, couple of years in and so far so good. The other problem with all the solid vinyl floating floor products is there is no set of overlap transition moldings for 4mm the way there is for standard 7-8mm laminate.

  • Investor · Vancouver, WA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    12y

    After reading this thread, we decided to step up to plate and try the product that so many of you are talking about.... Traffic Master Allure Vinyl Flooring. We went to Home Depot and discovered there are several varieties and they differ in significant ways. Tiles or Wide Planks or Narrow Strips. Grip Strip or Click Together. Thicknesses vary. Many imitation wood and ceramic designs to choose from.

    We first tried the Traffic Master Allure Vinyl Tiles in a bathroom, grip strip type, ceramic pattern. Our installer (professional old school flooring guy) didn't like installing it, husband loves it, I noticed a few pieces weren't installed flush, so I didn't like it. I also worried about grip strip seams in bathrooms because they are touted as water resilient, not waterproof.

    We then decided to try Traffic Master Allure Ultra Resilient Vinyl Planks, click together type, in two kitchens and one laundry room. Absolutely love it. Cost a little more than the other options, but worth it in my opinion. This type clicks together and is 100% waterproof, no adhesive, easy install over a smooth level sub surface. These float and because they click together, they can actually be removed and repositioned if necessary. Simple install, durable, carefree maintenance, wide variety of realistic looking wood or ceramic designs. I found this youtube video of it that shows it well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZpiieM-gSs

  • Rental Property Investor · Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2013 · 272 posts · 165 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Johann Jells:
    [quote=Ryan M.]
    I'm with ya on the shoe, had a one leak above a textured drywall ceiling. Frustrating, It's next to impossible to match a texture so next time that unit is empty the ceiling needs to scraped and redone.[/quote]

    The ghetto solution in my recent purchase where they're all above each other is dropped ceilings in the kitchens and baths. Just pull the tile, fix the tub plumbing, pop in new tile. I hate the look, but you can't argue with the practicality. Even if the plumbing is sound, all it takes is an overflowing sink or a kid playing tsunami in the tub to ruin the ceiling below.

    Slightly OT, but if you really want to save money, don't rent to fertile people! My water bill for that 4U with 3 families and a single was $300/month this winter! I can't be sure but there was around 16 people living there.

    @Johann Jells:

    Johann: Why are you paying for your Tenants' water usage? Landlords typically dont pay for Electric/Gas/internet/phone/cable TV/oil, so why water?

    If you dont have water submeters for each apt, just apply a RUBS water billing system (google it) applied as a pro-rata based on the number of occupants in each unit. This allows you to recover up to 90 to 100% of your water bill.

  • Roy N.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Fredericton, New Brunswick · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    12y

    @Michael G.

    The only cautions about Ratio Utility Billing Systems (RUBS) would be to first confirm the practice is permitted in your jurisdiction - there are places where water cannot be billed through to the tenant w/o {sub}metering.

    Second I would suggest confirming the "normal" practice in your area and, based upon that, determine if implementing RUBs might increase turnover and vacancy in your market.

  • Rental Property Investor · Jersey City, NJ · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 876 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Michael G.:

    Johann: Why are you paying for your Tenants' water usage? Landlords typically dont pay for Electric/Gas/internet/phone/cable TV/oil, so why water?

    If you dont have water submeters for each apt, just apply a RUBS water billing system (google it) applied as a pro-rata based on the number of occupants in each unit. This allows you to recover up to 90 to 100% of your water bill.

    Not the practice here when there's one meter, same for heat when there's one boiler, as there is in that place. When I decided against separating the heat I realized that my financial loss wasn't the heat or water bill, it was the error in what I built into the rent for those costs. I only lose if I underestimate, and if I overestimate I'll have trouble renting. But balanced against tens of thousands to separate the heat, it seems reasonable.

  • Chris K.Pro Member
    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 655 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Marcia Maynard:
    After reading this thread, we decided to step up to plate and try the product that so many of you are talking about.... Traffic Master Allure Vinyl Flooring. We went to Home Depot and discovered there are several varieties and they differ in significant ways. Tiles or Wide Planks or Narrow Strips. Grip Strip or Click Together. Thicknesses vary. Many imitation wood and ceramic designs to choose from.

    We first tried the Traffic Master Allure Vinyl Tiles in a bathroom, grip strip type, ceramic pattern. Our installer (professional old school flooring guy) didn't like installing it, husband loves it, I noticed a few pieces weren't installed flush, so I didn't like it. I also worried about grip strip seams in bathrooms because they are touted as water resilient, not waterproof.

    We then decided to try Traffic Master Allure Ultra Resilient Vinyl Planks, click together type, in two kitchens and one laundry room. Absolutely love it. Cost a little more than the other options, but worth it in my opinion. This type clicks together and is 100% waterproof, no adhesive, easy install over a smooth level sub surface. These float and because they click together, they can actually be removed and repositioned if necessary. Simple install, durable, carefree maintenance, wide variety of realistic looking wood or ceramic designs. I found this youtube video of it that shows it well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZpiieM-gSs

    I'm glad you posted this. I've been looking for an opinion from someone who has used both gripstrip and click allure. I really love the product but I've only used the gripstrip and noticed if you place one down with a small gap in it, it throws off the rest of the install.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    allure grip stick sucks.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    bump

  • Deborah BurianPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 412 votes
    12y

    Doing my first painted floor (a nod to 'European style painted wood floor")  Will post pics when I know how it comes out.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    bump for the newbies

  • Mark LangdonPro Member
    Investor · Whippany, NJ · Member since 2010 · 356 posts · 104 votes
    12y

    Ceramic Tile and Hardwood Floors. No carpet ever. 

  • Mechanicsburg, PA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y

    @Deborah Burian 

    What paint are you using.  A long time ago I used porch floor paint, but recently used paint recommended at paint store and its peeling up.  Possible different is latex vs oil?

  • Deborah BurianPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 412 votes
    12y

    @David Krulac - we're using our regular wall paint.  I talked to my paint guys & they said it doesn't matter what paint we use because I'll be putting multiple coats of poly on top.  The project went on hold for my vacation... Back to it tomorrow.

    Started with shellac primers cause of heavy pet stains

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