Explain the hatred of pitbulls
Rental Property Investor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2019 · 161 posts · 178 votes
Explain the hatred of pitbulls
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Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
7yStory after story after story of dog owned for years and years by The same family suddenly kills owner or owner’s kid. that’s probably most of it.
Who cares if you have insurance when you’re sued for a million or $5 million.
If you’re not making a boat load extra money for taking the risk, why would you take the risk?
A police officer is suing a landlord because their tenant shot them. If you’re responsible for that how are you not responsible for anyone that dog ever hurts? Are you going to court and saying “your honor, I didn’t know they suddenly attack” or are you going to say you didn’t believe it?
Are you reading every policy change they ever send like the one that says on page 12, oh, by the way we don’t cover these animals any more. Or when the claim comes in they say let’s see the letter of good behavior we require from the dog’s vet as specified on page 19.
Maybe, if you aren’t getting any decent tenant applicants that don’t own big dogs you could sell and find another neighborhood. Or charge a boatload above market rent, own it in an LlC, and mortgage it to the hilt. And just try to sleep knowing financially you’ll be ok no matter who’s killed or injured because you just couldn’t find anyone else to rent to.
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- 7yJay HinrichsBusiness MemberReal Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
Originally posted by @Eric Carr:
Originally posted by @Aidan Mulligan:
Hello everyone,
I see something pop up all the time when talking about allowing pets on your property. Someone always says "Except if it's a pitbull, keep those away"
Now I understand that "dangerous breeds" can bring higher insurance payments and some insurance companies might not give coverage at all. I have an insurance company that doesn't have such a clause so I know that the company exists. Another reasoning I get is that the dog is a good indicator of the type of person. Generally speaking, you see a pitbull and the owner stereotype that follows is some lowlife that won't pay rent.
If a tenant sits down in front of me, has a 760 credit score, a full time job, no marks against him/her, and happens to have a pit, I don't see what people get up in arms about. The stigma against pitbulls is cruel and unjust. Judge the person applying in front of you and the animal should be a reflection of that person. If anything make it a requirement that you meet the dog first before making a decision.
My 2 cents, let me know what you think.
Agreed. I have three Dobermans and one Pit. All rescues, in fact my pit is a small dog therapy dog - she helps rehab abused dogs of the smaller kind.
Pit bull kills, or bites are going to get more looks than when a cocker spaniel bites or kills something. Our brains are engineered to look for what's wrong. We crave drama and we crave news that will confirm our biases, biases that the media and gossip helped form. The media knows this. Planes crash; however, the news only reports the crash. Not the thousands of flights a week that make it. I've worked with a lot of dogs, rescues, and have been around people whose only experience with a pit is what they saw from the news. Sometimes they let go of their conditioning, other times they wont get out of their own way.
I also know people of other color, race, religion, sexual preference, republican, democrat, Muslim, Christian, gay, straight, and guess what... People who formed their beliefs from stories and hearsay are missing out on the reality. There are people who hate <insertanything> who have never had experience. Or hate chihuahuas because they got bit by one once when they were a kid. Grow up. It sucks, but still that one dog, does not represent the breed.
Pick a decade, there's always that one breed everyone is afraid of and a bad name gets perpetuated. Pitbulls are the hot dog used for fighting, and others get them to represent some sort of masculinity. These aren't the type of people that brought the animal into their life to care for it or socialize it. As far as abused animals go, if you knew what they often go through, you'd understand the issues an individual dog might have, regardless of its "breed".
My pit gets the most attention when we are out. Just a couple of weeks ago we were at a well known park in LA and there were a group of foster kids out with a day camp. The kids were allowed to interact with the dogs. They were pulling on my pit bulls face, hugging her, petting, and she loved it and so did they. Not all pits are good you say? Not all are bad.
The common theme? People. Not only following fads whether it's getting a Dalmatian or Husky because of a movie or TV show, and it just sounded cool, but perpetuating the fashionable fear thing to be afraid of. Discrimination mixed with ignorance.
I screen the humans and the animal, I don't care if it's a golden retriever or a Rottweiler. I don't discriminate, I screen the animal, require registration - which implies current vaccinations or titer testing, spay/neuter, and I get a sense for the temperament. Training certificates help.
This reminds me of an old tale about Dobermans. It was said that one day they turn and eat their owners. If you ever cared for a Doberman, or ANY dog, you would know how ridiculous and medieval that sounds.
I worry more about humans than I do dogs.
I agree with the human factor.. but you have to be living under a rock to not understand why insurance companies don't allow them.
I had a German Shepard one of my favorite that I have owned over the years.. she bit someone on the butt who walked into our house un announced and then turn ran and screamed.. Tessa went after her and thankfully she was wearing leather pants.. that one cost the insurance company 12k and they excluded the dog..
what I get is all these low lifes that have those dogs and treat them like crap stake them don't feed them.. let them wonder don't spay or neuter.. when they are not handled right they are dangerous..
- Flipper/Rehabber · Warrenton, VA · Member since 2018 · 71 posts · 18 votes7y
@Aidan Mulligan so I grew up on a farm we had over 500 sheep and we had horses and pigs and Etc " a farm" so I like to think my exposure to animals is relatively High. When I'm doing research on a breed of animal whether that be a sheep or sheep dog or a horse, people talk about certain tendencies that certain domesticated breeds have, the genetic tendency. And let me tell you, it is amazing to see animals know what to do and how to do it without any training at all in relation to specific subjects such as a Great Pyrenees or an Australian Sheepdog interacting with the Sheep. when it came to basic care we didn't have to teach the dogs anything they patrolled on their own they alerted us when danger was a foot. This is what they were bred to do this is what's in their ancestral history.
Pitbulls have a history of fighting of killing, granted if you never put them in that kind of situation those instincts will probably never surface... but if you present a situation then that dogs instincts WILL take over.
- 7yGina SternPro MemberInvestor · Boca Raton, FL · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 160 votes
In general they are given a bad stereotype due to there aggressive looks amd stories of pitbull fighting. However they are quite friendly dogs and are great for families. It just depends on the dog at the end of the day and hopefully they are well trained.
- Investor · Bayside, NY · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes7y
I watch Judge Judy and Judge Milian, and every week, there would be a "pit bull" case, in some cases, victims with serious injuries. Judge Milian often freaks out on pit bulls: Judge Milian on pit bulls
I just don't rent to people with dogs, period.
- Rental Property Investor · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 18k+ votes7y
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Eric Carr:
Originally posted by @Aidan Mulligan:
Hello everyone,
I see something pop up all the time when talking about allowing pets on your property. Someone always says "Except if it's a pitbull, keep those away"
Now I understand that "dangerous breeds" can bring higher insurance payments and some insurance companies might not give coverage at all. I have an insurance company that doesn't have such a clause so I know that the company exists. Another reasoning I get is that the dog is a good indicator of the type of person. Generally speaking, you see a pitbull and the owner stereotype that follows is some lowlife that won't pay rent.
If a tenant sits down in front of me, has a 760 credit score, a full time job, no marks against him/her, and happens to have a pit, I don't see what people get up in arms about. The stigma against pitbulls is cruel and unjust. Judge the person applying in front of you and the animal should be a reflection of that person. If anything make it a requirement that you meet the dog first before making a decision.
My 2 cents, let me know what you think.
Agreed. I have three Dobermans and one Pit. All rescues, in fact my pit is a small dog therapy dog - she helps rehab abused dogs of the smaller kind.
Pit bull kills, or bites are going to get more looks than when a cocker spaniel bites or kills something. Our brains are engineered to look for what's wrong. We crave drama and we crave news that will confirm our biases, biases that the media and gossip helped form. The media knows this. Planes crash; however, the news only reports the crash. Not the thousands of flights a week that make it. I've worked with a lot of dogs, rescues, and have been around people whose only experience with a pit is what they saw from the news. Sometimes they let go of their conditioning, other times they wont get out of their own way.
I also know people of other color, race, religion, sexual preference, republican, democrat, Muslim, Christian, gay, straight, and guess what... People who formed their beliefs from stories and hearsay are missing out on the reality. There are people who hate <insertanything> who have never had experience. Or hate chihuahuas because they got bit by one once when they were a kid. Grow up. It sucks, but still that one dog, does not represent the breed.
Pick a decade, there's always that one breed everyone is afraid of and a bad name gets perpetuated. Pitbulls are the hot dog used for fighting, and others get them to represent some sort of masculinity. These aren't the type of people that brought the animal into their life to care for it or socialize it. As far as abused animals go, if you knew what they often go through, you'd understand the issues an individual dog might have, regardless of its "breed".
My pit gets the most attention when we are out. Just a couple of weeks ago we were at a well known park in LA and there were a group of foster kids out with a day camp. The kids were allowed to interact with the dogs. They were pulling on my pit bulls face, hugging her, petting, and she loved it and so did they. Not all pits are good you say? Not all are bad.
The common theme? People. Not only following fads whether it's getting a Dalmatian or Husky because of a movie or TV show, and it just sounded cool, but perpetuating the fashionable fear thing to be afraid of. Discrimination mixed with ignorance.
I screen the humans and the animal, I don't care if it's a golden retriever or a Rottweiler. I don't discriminate, I screen the animal, require registration - which implies current vaccinations or titer testing, spay/neuter, and I get a sense for the temperament. Training certificates help.
This reminds me of an old tale about Dobermans. It was said that one day they turn and eat their owners. If you ever cared for a Doberman, or ANY dog, you would know how ridiculous and medieval that sounds.
I worry more about humans than I do dogs.
I agree with the human factor.. but you have to be living under a rock to not understand why insurance companies don't allow them.
I had a German Shepard one of my favorite that I have owned over the years.. she bit someone on the butt who walked into our house un announced and then turn ran and screamed.. Tessa went after her and thankfully she was wearing leather pants.. that one cost the insurance company 12k and they excluded the dog..
what I get is all these low lifes that have those dogs and treat them like crap stake them don't feed them.. let them wonder don't spay or neuter.. when they are not handled right they are dangerous..
People are letting their emotion take over for logic. Pretty much no facts will change someones mind if they are arguing out of emotion. I have read stories of pit bull killing a child and the owners fight against having the dog put down. Being a dog owner, I get it, but in my business I try to separate the emotion (it can be hard to do). Nobody in the world is better at assessing risk than insurance companies. To them it is just a math problem. A great example is the cost to insure two door sports cars versus minivan. Same driver can have both vehicles and the sports car costs more. It is not that the insurance company hates sports cars. They just know statistically a sports car has higher likelihood of more severe accidents, therefore higher monetary risk.
- 7yJay HinrichsBusiness MemberReal Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
Originally posted by @Daniel Jewell:
@Aidan Mulligan so I grew up on a farm we had over 500 sheep and we had horses and pigs and Etc " a farm" so I like to think my exposure to animals is relatively High. When I'm doing research on a breed of animal whether that be a sheep or sheep dog or a horse, people talk about certain tendencies that certain domesticated breeds have, the genetic tendency. And let me tell you, it is amazing to see animals know what to do and how to do it without any training at all in relation to specific subjects such as a Great Pyrenees or an Australian Sheepdog interacting with the Sheep. when it came to basic care we didn't have to teach the dogs anything they patrolled on their own they alerted us when danger was a foot. This is what they were bred to do this is what's in their ancestral history.
Pitbulls have a history of fighting of killing, granted if you never put them in that kind of situation those instincts will probably never surface... but if you present a situation then that dogs instincts WILL take over.
Dogs are great when I go upland bird hunting I enjoy watching the dogs work as much if not more than the actual hunt.. Plus those wild phesants are so fast I cant hit them anyway LOL
- Realtor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2019 · 3 posts · 4 votes7y
@Drey S. I agree! We may be onto something ;)
- Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes7y
Originally posted by @Bill B.:
Eric, if you had bothered to read the thread you would have seen the answer...
4 days ago it was headlines here in Vegas as a 1 year old was torn apart. It mentioned that 2 more vegas adults were killed last year...( I posted a link)
Then I posted a graph that showed 40 people were killed last year by dogs, 30 of them by pitbulls.
I mentioned that every time you pickup a paycheck at work, a pit bull has killed an American. They kill adults as well as kid, not many dogs can do that.
People are afraid of sharks that kill 1-2 Americans a year, they should be VERY afraid of pitbulls.
Ps. Another point of the article in Las Vegas is all three dogs had come from animal shelters and killed their owners or owners child. Can you imagine the outrage if the dog has been sold by a private person? They would be bankrupted.
If you had bothered to read my post you might have learned something. By the way, anything I wrote wasn't PERSONAL AGAINST YOU.
Do you know how many pitbulls there are that DON'T kill people? Apply your same thinking to just about ANYTHING else in life. I see youre sealed, and I'm not trying to change your mind. I am saying that with the millions of dogs that are in the US, things happen. And it's not ALWAYS pit bulls. I hope you don't apply your thinking to all demographics of people, race, religion, etc.
If you had ANY personal experience with the dogs, you might understand.
And here's how the brain works, especially in these times of mass information. ANYTHING you choose to believe, you can go out and find as much evidence to back up your beliefs. Confirmation bias.
Ever argue with a vegetarian? Someone who is sure they can prove god exists? Fear keeps people where they are. Experience, systems, that's how I run my business and life. And I'm not asking you to agree.
- Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes7y
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Eric Carr:
Originally posted by @Aidan Mulligan:
Hello everyone,
I see something pop up all the time when talking about allowing pets on your property. Someone always says "Except if it's a pitbull, keep those away"
Now I understand that "dangerous breeds" can bring higher insurance payments and some insurance companies might not give coverage at all. I have an insurance company that doesn't have such a clause so I know that the company exists. Another reasoning I get is that the dog is a good indicator of the type of person. Generally speaking, you see a pitbull and the owner stereotype that follows is some lowlife that won't pay rent.
If a tenant sits down in front of me, has a 760 credit score, a full time job, no marks against him/her, and happens to have a pit, I don't see what people get up in arms about. The stigma against pitbulls is cruel and unjust. Judge the person applying in front of you and the animal should be a reflection of that person. If anything make it a requirement that you meet the dog first before making a decision.
My 2 cents, let me know what you think.
Agreed. I have three Dobermans and one Pit. All rescues, in fact my pit is a small dog therapy dog - she helps rehab abused dogs of the smaller kind.
Pit bull kills, or bites are going to get more looks than when a cocker spaniel bites or kills something. Our brains are engineered to look for what's wrong. We crave drama and we crave news that will confirm our biases, biases that the media and gossip helped form. The media knows this. Planes crash; however, the news only reports the crash. Not the thousands of flights a week that make it. I've worked with a lot of dogs, rescues, and have been around people whose only experience with a pit is what they saw from the news. Sometimes they let go of their conditioning, other times they wont get out of their own way.
I also know people of other color, race, religion, sexual preference, republican, democrat, Muslim, Christian, gay, straight, and guess what... People who formed their beliefs from stories and hearsay are missing out on the reality. There are people who hate <insertanything> who have never had experience. Or hate chihuahuas because they got bit by one once when they were a kid. Grow up. It sucks, but still that one dog, does not represent the breed.
Pick a decade, there's always that one breed everyone is afraid of and a bad name gets perpetuated. Pitbulls are the hot dog used for fighting, and others get them to represent some sort of masculinity. These aren't the type of people that brought the animal into their life to care for it or socialize it. As far as abused animals go, if you knew what they often go through, you'd understand the issues an individual dog might have, regardless of its "breed".
My pit gets the most attention when we are out. Just a couple of weeks ago we were at a well known park in LA and there were a group of foster kids out with a day camp. The kids were allowed to interact with the dogs. They were pulling on my pit bulls face, hugging her, petting, and she loved it and so did they. Not all pits are good you say? Not all are bad.
The common theme? People. Not only following fads whether it's getting a Dalmatian or Husky because of a movie or TV show, and it just sounded cool, but perpetuating the fashionable fear thing to be afraid of. Discrimination mixed with ignorance.
I screen the humans and the animal, I don't care if it's a golden retriever or a Rottweiler. I don't discriminate, I screen the animal, require registration - which implies current vaccinations or titer testing, spay/neuter, and I get a sense for the temperament. Training certificates help.
This reminds me of an old tale about Dobermans. It was said that one day they turn and eat their owners. If you ever cared for a Doberman, or ANY dog, you would know how ridiculous and medieval that sounds.
I worry more about humans than I do dogs.
I agree with the human factor.. but you have to be living under a rock to not understand why insurance companies don't allow them.
I had a German Shepard one of my favorite that I have owned over the years.. she bit someone on the butt who walked into our house un announced and then turn ran and screamed.. Tessa went after her and thankfully she was wearing leather pants.. that one cost the insurance company 12k and they excluded the dog..
what I get is all these low lifes that have those dogs and treat them like crap stake them don't feed them.. let them wonder don't spay or neuter.. when they are not handled right they are dangerous..
I absolutely agree 100%, with everything you said. Which is why I screen every dog. Scumbags make them mean, neglect them, what should anyone expect at that point? From any dog. I don't blame the insurance companies at all.
- Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes7y
Originally posted by @Albert Ng:
@Aidan Mulligan
If you love pitbull, by all mean, take them. As for us landlords, we love profit and reducing risk, so we don’t take the chance. Not all dogs bite, but most do.
Accepting dogs is a personal decision. Especially in CA, it can also be great for business. But where do you get the data that most dogs bite? Maybe there's a context?
- Member since 2019 · 15 posts · 1 vote7y
@William W.
Boom hit the nail on the head...technically a “pit bull” is not a recognized dog breed by the American kennel club...it’s a cross breed between a Staffordshire bull terrier and a larger dog and the issue is what you just said they have the lock jaw mechanism of the staffie with a personality of an unknown crossbreed plus the size.
- Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 658 posts · 293 votes7y
My point is dogs are biological, just like humans, and they come from wild ancestors. They can't speak our language, so it's important to respect the animal regardless of breed. Respect like you would respect another wild animal.
Dogs have been domesticated over hundreds of years, but they aren't human, and it's important to understand behavior and have systems in place for screening and accepting dogs.
Spay/Neuter, registration - these also tell a lot about the human, and meet the dog. Take a walk with it and the human. Require renters insurance, and make sure the premises is secure for the dog and other tenants.
American Pit Bull Terrier is the full name, and no, their jaws don't lock. The terrier in them is sort of a hunter, and they will bite and hold, because they are determined, not because their jaws lock.
No one here has to love pit bulls, I happen to love dogs, all of them, and the amount of misinformation here is depressing
- Member since 2018 · 14 posts · 25 votes7y
It’s rather odd that an investment forum would have “investors” posting about “cruel and unjust” landlords denying tenants with pit bulls, and that the love of the pit bull is the preferred method of evaluating risk over statistical data. Go figure! I'm sure many thought after a 10 minute meeting with Ted Bundy that he was a great guy!
Fortunately, insurance companies have made it easy for many of us with breed bans (includes more than the pit bull). For others, size limits can wipe out all aggressive breeds. At this point in time, pit bulls aren’t a protected class of human (although I’m sure the ASPCA and pit advocates are working on it). So ultimately, it’s up to the landlord, there is no “discrimination” to cry about here, even though that poke was made in some earlier posts. Nice try!
We don't do any aggressive breeds, but in particular pit bulls would top the list. Not because of the pit, but because NO other aggressive breed owner seems to come with the delusional thought you will frequently find in pit owners (not all, but way too many). If you have a pit injure someone on your property, or kill someone or their pet, be prepared for the 101 reasons why it will NEVER be the pits fault! After all, they are "nanny dogs" sent by Saint Michael, not the human engineered fighting machines we bred them to be.
Hmm.....take your pick of reasons why it might be your fault you or your pet got attacked:
1. you made eye contact with the pit on a walk and "triggered" the pit.
2. you rolled by in a wheel chair and the wheels "triggered" the pit (this one is real).
3. Your hair has too many red red highlights and red means your angry and "triggered" the pit. Whew, glad I'm not a red head.
4. the pit is the "sweetest thing ever" right up until he rips your face off, and you know, it really was your aggressive face that "triggered it".
5. your baby was crying, the NERVE of that baby, and it might have "triggered" the pit (this one I have to admit was taken from the words of the biggest pit advocate lawyer trying to ban all BSL).
6. Don't believe the news stories you read about pit attacks, it's ALL fake news! (yes, another one taken from the pit lawyer).
Literally, you can't even make this stuff up. And when the pit owner gets attacked by their own pit, again, NOT the pit.
Gotta love this story, man gets ears ripped off and face disfigured by his own pit, he declares it was like being "eaten alive", but of course, he doesn't blame the pit, just a dog doing what a dog should do.
https://nypost.com/2019/01/24/man-says-being-attac...
I'd take my chances with accepting a chihuahua known to bite over a pit bull any day. I also prefer my tenants and the neighbors to keep their body parts! To each their own!
- Realtor · Rio Vista, CA · Member since 2018 · 4 posts · 2 votes7y
Ignorance. Anyone who says it was bred as a fighting dog is misinformed.
They are truly the sweetest dogs ever. Poodles & chi's bite far more people every year than pits do.
Pits can be abused over & over by people and still wag their tails, give kisses and want cuddles. I've seen it many times.
Like any dog, and person for that matter, there can be the occasional "mentally just not right" issue, but the ones who are "bred for fighting" are actually just obeying their owners commands & sadly, doing what is expected of them.
I mean, come on, haven't you ever read Peter Pan. Nana was a pit.
And, BTW, their jaws don't "lock". That's another incorrect myth about them.
I'm not judging anyone for their beliefs, and personally, I would rent to someone with a pit, however, I would want to meet the dog & test it first.BTW, I do dog rescue, have for over 20 years, so yes, I do know of what I speak.
- 7yAccount ClosedBusiness MemberReal Estate Broker · Ben Lomond, CA · Member since 2014 · 62 posts · 47 votes
Best family dog we have ever had.
- Rental Property Investor · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 1 vote7y
@Aidan Mulligan
I think it IS that you hear these stories. Sure there may be just as many attacks from other breed of individuals that are ill tempered, however, a story about a pit bull sticks out far more than someone attacked by a Labrador. I think people pay attention when they hear of pit bulls more due to the damage a pit bull can do quite quickly.
- Specialist · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 611 votes7y
@Aidan Mulligan
Any experienced investor would tell you there is no hatred. You separate emotions from
decision making and if you take on a risk you have to weigh your return. In many cases risk outweighs the potential return.
- Member since 2018 · 10 posts · 3 votes7y
This is a business. It's tempting to treat your tenants like friends but you have to look out for number #1. If you do allow dogs have enough insurance to cover yourself.
Pit bulls are big strong dogs. That's the biggest factor IMO. It would make sense to limit the weight of dogs to say 30 pounds. Rather than focus on breeds. Pit bulls are involved in more fatal attacks, however there's plenty of non fatal attacks that could cost you as a landlord. So watch out even with small dogs.
- Pit bulls were bred to fight dogs. Typically they would not breed a dog that was aggressive to humans.
- Other breeds bite more often statistically than pitbulls. But as mentioned when they do bite they often do more damage.
- The other dogs that cause the most fatalities are Rottweilers and German Sheperds, i.e. big strong dogs.
- Plenty of mixes and other dogs are labeled as "pit bulls" which probably inflates the statistics.
- Every dog has a different personality, even from the same litter. A picked on runt can be skittish later in life.
- Pitbulls appeal to bad owners who don't always raise them right.
- Englewood, CO · Member since 2019 · 4 posts · 1 vote7y
@Bill Brandt - Found it on Facebook, it must be true! 🙄. Please contribute only information you have vetted and qualified otherwise you risk sounding ignorant. Police, community whittnesses, and media are not qualifying evidence In the identIfIcatIon of breed in incidents of attack. Get real facts first. A golden retriever bite leaves no less liability than that of a beagle, chihuahua, lab, pitbull, etc. that is your choice to evaluate your own tolerance for risk based on information you have gathered, but I would be aware of the implications of your biases.
- Member since 2018 · 14 posts · 25 votes7y
Most pointless post ever!
Pit supporter posts "Why all the pit hate"?
Many on the forum reply "It's about the statistical risk which has been shown by insurance, my insurance bans the breed, general size and strength of the animal means if an incident were to occur, it's likely to be more significant".
Pit supporter says, "but chihuahuas and poodles bite more than pits".
Forum member says, "Show me the statistics, just one case of someone killed or significantly injured by a chihuahua?"
Pit bull supporter can't show the statistics so starts name calling, "Ignorance it is! It's ALL a myth, and I rescue dogs so I know".
Again, why pit bull owners go to the top of my list of people to avoid renting too!
- Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes7y
It was actually in the paper, the kid died and they killed the dog. How much more proof do you want?
Are you a sicko who wants a video?
It’s a FaCT that 75% of the dog deaths are caused by pitbulls. We can discuss any other facts you want. But until you tell me an upside to letting someone have a pit bull in one of your rentals there’s no reason. As I’ve mentioned, we ban trampolines and they kill one person a year in the US, not one every 2 weeks like pitbulls.
If you can’t prove it’s better to have a pitbull in your rental, then the discussion is over. Unless the whole point of this thread wasn’t to have someone “explain the hatred of pitbulls” but rather to just defend them blindly in the face of facts?
- Rental Property Investor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2019 · 161 posts · 178 votes7y
@Bill B. The point of my post, and my belief, is that a blanket ban on anything be it people or pet is discriminatory and wrong. And yes I am well aware dogs aren't protected from discrimination, doesn't mean it is not discrimination. There's a difference between morality and legality.
Let's be very clear. I am not saying accept every pitbull onto the property. I'm saying as you vet the owner, vet the dog as well.
I do not own a pitbull, I don't own a dog at all. But I still believe everyone has the right to housing if they are fit.
In my opinion this discussion has been over for some time as everyone is posting pretty much the same thing on both sides of the argument. Summary, you either like them or you don't.
- Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes7y
I agree Aidan, and said as much 20 posts ago. But if people want to start a pitbulls are my friends thread they should. As opposed to answering a thread titled “why the hate” none of their posts are answers to that question.
Plus, if you look at my answer, again 3 pages ago, 2 of the 3 people in Las Vegas were killed by dogs they got from the animal shelter. If the “professional” who works at the animal shelter and interacts with the dog on a daily basis for days or weeks can’t tell it’s a killer, how will I know in 15 minutes of interaction? Heck, and i more liable in a lawsuit if I “interviewed the dog” and “personally approved it” probably. As a victim I would certainly say that.
And for my third reference to almost every post I’ve made on here. It’s not aimed at pitbulls, it’s aimed at things that can hurt me and my business. It’s banning all big dogs, and any dogs that anyone says are dangerous, heck any animal that isn’t a “common household pet” is banned. And trampolines. Do I hate trampolines just because I ban them? Heck no. But there is ZERO upside to me allowing them, so I don’t do it.
- 7yKevin McGuirePro MemberCTO of BiggerPockets · Seattle, WA · Member since 2019 · 178 posts · 178 votes
@Aidan Mulligan In addition to pit bulls because they might be dangerous, I ban short people because they sometimes fail to clean the tops of the cupboards, tall people because they sometimes don’t notice the dirty floors, fat people because they can be hard on the carpets, and skinny people because, well, I’ve put on a few pounds lately and I just don’t want that kind of thing around me.
Kevin
(previous owner of two Rottweiler rescues, current owner of rott/pit mix rescue).
