Rental Property Analysis

Rental Property Analysis

Handyman · Northville, MI · Member since 2019 · 23 posts · 7 votes

Hey BiggerPockets friends,

I'm looking at a triplex and am trying to estimate my monthly carrying costs for the property. I know my taxes, insurance, mgt payment, and other items like maintenance, cap x and vacancy. However, I have a question about utilities.

I understand the basics of figuring out your utilities estimates (simply calling the provider and asking), however a realization popped into my mind and my question is this: if I'm having my tenants pay ALL utilities, do I need to factor utility expenses into my monthly costs? BiggerPockets has always taught me (podcasts, webinars, etc) that I need to bake these into the cake, but if I'm not the one paying them, why would I factor them into my analysis? Am I right in my thinking? A clarification would be very helpful in me finally finding my carrying costs for ANY property. Thanks so much BiggerPockets community!

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Kenneth GarrettPro Member
Investor · Florida Panhandle/Illinois · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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@Noah Barba

If my tenants are paying utilities I do not include it in my numbers.  In the event a vacancy occurs, the utility cost is very small and I let the cash flow handle the small number.  There is nothing wrong with adding a number say $10 a month I just think it’s insignificant.  In my case, I don’t live off of the cashflow it goes towards paying down the principle or buying another unit.  Still a W-2 earner and self manage my 20 units.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Malvern, PA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 939 votes
    6y

    Consider them as part of vacancy.  Otherwise, they are not a factor if your tenants are paying them.

  • Investor · Tempe, AZ · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 731 votes
    6y

    Budget a contingency and assume these from that bucket.  You'll need to turn utilities on occasionally during tenant turn-overs.

    If anything, having those baked in only makes your analysis more conservative.  Which is good.

  • Stephen J DavisBusiness Member
    Rental Property Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2017 · 529 posts · 468 votes
    6y

    I would do the analysis both ways to make sure you are still positive cash flow either way. This way it's heads you win, tails you win.

  • Kenneth GarrettPro Member
    Investor · Florida Panhandle/Illinois · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    6y

    @Noah Barba

    If my tenants are paying utilities I do not include it in my numbers.  In the event a vacancy occurs, the utility cost is very small and I let the cash flow handle the small number.  There is nothing wrong with adding a number say $10 a month I just think it’s insignificant.  In my case, I don’t live off of the cashflow it goes towards paying down the principle or buying another unit.  Still a W-2 earner and self manage my 20 units.

  • Rental Property Investor · Central, FL · Member since 2016 · 950 posts · 821 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Noah Barba:

    Hey BiggerPockets friends,

    I'm looking at a triplex and am trying to estimate my monthly carrying costs for the property. I know my taxes, insurance, mgt payment, and other items like maintenance, cap x and vacancy. However, I have a question about utilities.

    I understand the basics of figuring out your utilities estimates (simply calling the provider and asking), however a realization popped into my mind and my question is this: if I'm having my tenants pay ALL utilities, do I need to factor utility expenses into my monthly costs? BiggerPockets has always taught me (podcasts, webinars, etc) that I need to bake these into the cake, but if I'm not the one paying them, why would I factor them into my analysis? Am I right in my thinking? A clarification would be very helpful in me finally finding my carrying costs for ANY property. Thanks so much BiggerPockets community!

     I take into account expenses I have to pay.  I consider tenant paid utilities as just that... someone else’s problem.  Yes if a unit goes vacant I have a small fee for the utilities.  But that’s rolled into vacancy. It isn’t a separate item.  I also don’t take into account the tenants grocery bill either, but I’m sure hope they do, because rents due on the first. 

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