Newbie in need of help with house insurance

Newbie in need of help with house insurance

North Olmsted, OH · Member since 2017 · 2 posts · 0 votes

Hello everyone!!! I am new to Bigger Pockets and owning rentals. In the last 12 months my brother and I have purchased 2 houses in the Cleveland Ohio area using the Brrrr method. We just purchased a third house this past month. These houses are in C and B neighborhoods.  I was informed today by our insurance agent (the same one that we use for our personal houses) that his underwriter review our policy and it is wrong because he had the structures insured under a non landlord policy. Our rate skyrocketed to $1500 a year for each property.

the properties are insured for $100,000 actual cash value

personal items loss is $3,000

premise liability is $200,000

We have our residence get renters insurance and provide proof to our insurance company.

This is with a claim free discount, multiple policy discount and paperless discount.

Is this too high of rate and what should I be paying. Is there a company anyone recommends for rental properties 

Thank you for your help!!

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Real Estate Agent · Mukilteo, WA · Member since 2018 · 124 posts · 148 votes
6y

That seems like a lot to me. I recommend talking with a broker to find you the best deal. Get a plan with a high deductible to keep the monthly payment down. 

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  • Bjorn AhlbladPro Member
    Investor · Shelton, WA · Member since 2017 · 6k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    6y

    @Jason Piazza welcome to BP! IMO that rate is way high. There are lots of insurance companies out there; I happen to be with Farmer's for most of my insurance-but I also shop every two years and my agent knows that. Get a quote and maybe look into an umbrella policy for liability. That quote you got is way high or it could be a super high risk area; but I doubt that.

  • Real Estate Agent · Mukilteo, WA · Member since 2018 · 124 posts · 148 votes
    6y

    That seems like a lot to me. I recommend talking with a broker to find you the best deal. Get a plan with a high deductible to keep the monthly payment down. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Cleveland Elyria, & Medina Areas in Ohio · Member since 2014 · 19 posts · 6 votes
    6y

    @Jason Piazza def seems a bit high for sure. I’m here in the same CLE market. None of mine are that high.

  • Kenneth GarrettPro Member
    Investor · Florida Panhandle/Illinois · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    6y

    @Jason Piazza

    I use State Farm for most of my rentals.  The rate is usually around $600 a year.  Try a broker or a different insurance company.

  • North Olmsted, OH · Member since 2017 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    Thanks everyone. Kenneth I was thinking $600 a year seems right. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2016 · 653 posts · 769 votes
    6y

    I've never as much like an adult as the day I bundled and saved with my State Farm auto and landlord insurance on my five rentals!

  • Sam BrustPro Member
    Insurance · Garden Grove, CA · Member since 2020 · 36 posts · 10 votes
    6y

    @Jason Piazza sometimes traditional homeowner’s insurance companies may do further underwriting on properties and/or a drive by inspection which may cause them to drop a policy or change premium.

    I would recommend that you work with an agent that specializes in rental/rehab property insurance. They can find you the best rates and the most appropriate coverage for your investments.

    Feel free to message me for recommendations or any other questions.

  • Ryan IngramBusiness Member
    Rental Property Investor · Dayton, OH · Member since 2017 · 247 posts · 225 votes
    6y

    My brother and I have several properties in the Dayton area, we also use the $600 annual or $50 per month estimate for insurance.

    Dramatically increasing premium like this is generally a sign that the insurance company is no longer interested in that kind of risk. I’m not sure which company it is, but I’d highly suggest getting in touch with an independent insurance agent. 

    I have several clients in the Cleveland, Toledo, Akron areas and I’d say that $600 rule of thumb is accurate there as well, especially for actual cash value policies.

  • Rental Property Investor · Akron, OH · Member since 2019 · 9 posts · 3 votes
    6y

    @Jason Piazza I work for an Allstate office that's been in business for over 30 years. We work with many landlords in the area. While everyone's insurance rate is unique to them, 1500 does sound pretty high. I would be more than happy to take a look at what you have and make sure you are covered properly. We actually took a huge rate decrease at the end of 2019 and have been helping people save an average of $600/year

  • Rental Property Investor · Wooster, OH · Member since 2014 · 72 posts · 41 votes
    6y

    I have a guy for you that is with state farm.  Hes very knowledgable with investment properties and coverages.  $1500 is definitely high.  Let me know if you want his contact info.

  • Rental Property Investor · Brooke Park Drive · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    600 sounds low what if the house burns down with replacement cost you get a brand new house, what do you get at 600 ACV? A check for 20,000?

  • Real Estate Agent · Westlake, OH · Member since 2014 · 186 posts · 165 votes
    6y

    Just checked one of mine.  $616 annual premium.  West side of Cleveland, I’d call it a high C property.  $188K replacement cost, the market value on the house is probably around $85K (its a good sized house).  $1M liability.  1% deductible.  I have 3 others nearby with similar premiums and coverage and I have had a claim (tree went thru garage roof).

    BTW $200K seems pretty low on the liability coverage.  Wouldn’t take much to use that up, if that happens then your personal assets are at a bigger risk. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jason Piazza:

    Hello everyone!!! I am new to Bigger Pockets and owning rentals. In the last 12 months my brother and I have purchased 2 houses in the Cleveland Ohio area using the Brrrr method. We just purchased a third house this past month. These houses are in C and B neighborhoods.  I was informed today by our insurance agent (the same one that we use for our personal houses) that his underwriter review our policy and it is wrong because he had the structures insured under a non landlord policy. Our rate skyrocketed to $1500 a year for each property.

    the properties are insured for $100,000 actual cash value

    personal items loss is $3,000

    premise liability is $200,000

    We have our residence get renters insurance and provide proof to our insurance company.

    This is with a claim free discount, multiple policy discount and paperless discount.

    Is this too high of rate and what should I be paying. Is there a company anyone recommends for rental properties 

    Thank you for your help!!

     You should be able to get that done to $800-$1,000. In addition why do you have a personal property rider on there? I'd imagine you've got no personal property in your rentals. That rider is in part contributing to your higher premium.

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