Will COVID-19 Cause a Recession?

Will COVID-19 Cause a Recession?

Adiel GorelPro Member
Real Estate Broker · San Rafael, CA · Member since 2016 · 13 posts · 30 votes

As we all observe and fear the Coronavirus, we see many cities under “shelter-at-home” restrictions, and many “non-essential” businesses closing. Then on the other hand, the Fed lowered rates almost to zero, and mortgage rates, after a short spike, are starting to settle down near the lowest point ever. Some people fear a recession is likely to follow, and if we remember the recession of 2008, I think it’s quite possible. That depends, of course, on the length of the lock-down.

If a recession does occur, let’s point out some of the differences between the recession of 2008 and the next recession, if it hits.

Before the 2008 recession happened, there was a major boom in many states. Home prices in states like Arizona, Nevada and Florida went through the roof. The media was shouting “It’s a bubble! It has to burst!” Prices of homes in Phoenix, for example, nearly doubled from the beginning of 2004 till the middle of 2006. Not all states participated in the party, for example, Texas and Oklahoma have not gone up very much during that time.

When the 2008 recession hit, the markets that went down precipitously were, of course, the exact markets that had participated in the 2004-2006 boom. Places in Arizona, Nevada, Florida, and other states. Prices tanked and crashed quite a bit. However not across the board, states like Texas and Oklahoma did not go down very much during the recession of 2008.

By contrast, at the present time, especially in affordable markets like Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Baton Rouge, Central Florida, parts of Atlanta, Raleigh and others, there are currently no price bubbles. No major boom has happened, Thus the likelihood of a major price crash in such markets is much slimmer than the markets which crashed in the 2008 recession. There are very high priced markets now, the expensive markets in San Francisco, for example (which has already started going down in price last year). In such markets, there may be a stronger effect on prices. Also, when you invest in a brand new home in a good area in Oklahoma and pay $170,000. You are buying the home not much over the basic construction and land cost. Again, the probability of an “intrinsic value” home like this going down much is small. By contrast, a $2M home in San Francisco, which cost $900K to build, has a lot of “air” in the price, with a higher likelihood of prices going down in San Francisco.

The recession of 2008 was created by housing. Lenders released all limits, and loans were made to virtually anyone that was human, almost regardless of credit or ability to pay. Some loans were up to 125% of the value of the house. This bad debt, called “sub-prime”, was then packaged among other debt, and amazingly, the credit agency gave these packages high ratings, as if it was a quality debt product. Then these faulty packages sold on Wall Street, and financial wizards found way to leverage them enormously. Once defaults on the bad loans started to hit, the entire structure unraveled.

By contrast, at the present we are still under the Dodd-Frank Act, which was drafted after the 2008 recession. Borrowing is now much harder and lengthier than it was before the 2008 recession. Even borrowers with great credit are finding the current loan processes frustrating. The amount of sub-prime loans is minuscule relative the period preceding the 2008 recession, and steps were taken to make the abuses with rating agencies be much harder to repeat. Thus the next recession is likely not to be caused by bad loans. It is clear that if another recession comes, its effects on rental home investing will be quite different than the recession of 2008.

I believe that the best way to invest in real estate is to buy brand new homes, in affordable large metropolitan areas, where the rent numbers match well with prices. Then finance the homes with a fixed-rate loan. To the best of my knowledge long term fixed rate loans like we get here in the US don’t exist elsewhere. The monthly payment and the mortgage balance never change with the cost of living, while everything else does. That means inflation constantly erodes the true buying buyer of your debt, making your debt ever smaller in real dollars.

For these kinds of homes, purchased anywhere from $150K to $250K, I believe the effects of the next recession will be minimal. Rates are very low, however, so fixed rate loans will retain these great rates forever.

The act of buying good rental homes in large metro areas and holding them as rental for the long term, where the loan erodes, is a future-changer. It does not change your future instantly or even within a short time, but over the long term, this strategy is a powerful future changer. I have seen people retire well, send kids to college, and look much stronger financially thanks to these simple yet powerful investments.

Since these investments show their power over the long term, and since the interest rates are so favorable now, and since a possible impending recession is unlikely to have effects on prices like the 2008 recession, I believe this would be a good time to invest.

As an extra “bonus”, the virus fear creates more flexibility with sellers, including builders, and the ability to negotiate better prices.

I would be happy to discuss it with anyone who may wish to inquire further.

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Columbia, MD · Member since 2018 · 27 posts · 169 votes
6y

We have strong economy ??? Really ? Do we? 10 days after the shut down of the country most Americans did NOT have the money to pay their rent on April 1st .... just freaking 10 days !!! They did not last one month !! San Antonio, food bank, feeds 120k people a week, millions on unemployment, in a few weeks you will hear about families with crazy hospital bills to pay ($20K-30K each) plus some will have funerals to pay for ( 5-10k) and that's while many were without any income coming in. Commercial real-estate owners about to lose their pants during corona epidemic, all those with over leveraged investments and kings of BRRRR will feel the sh** hitting the fan in like 3,2,1.....while rent goes un paid. This was not strong economy to begin with! Homes, cars and student loans leveraged to the brim while most pay the minimum is not a sign of strong economy.This was crap economy on borrowed time and borrowed cheap money. Sorry y'all

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  • Rental Property Investor · Maryville, TN · Member since 2009 · 529 posts · 414 votes
    6y

    I am sooooooo tired of the b.s. i get fed by realtors!! I know there are good ones "out there" but it makes me sick dealing with these market cheerleaders who's only priority is putting a deal to "bed". Whats worse is everyone knows when they are being "sold" and all we want to do is get away from people like that. Dear god, have some integrity and give it to your clients straight! I feel sorry for anyone who gets sucked in to investing in "baton rouge" and thank you @Rick Pozos for stating truth! 

  • Lender · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2016 · 372 posts · 172 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Marco Bario:

    Will it cause a Depression? That's the question I've been asking. 

    Taking into account a global economic shock, a coinciding drop in energy prices, many small businesses that won't recover, unemployment, the possibility for a run on US Dollars which could cause the USD to spike, plus municipalities and retirement funds who were already on financial thin ice – there's a great deal of risk and the combined headwinds are enormous. 

    Right on, Mario....this is not good...anyone check out the debt lately?  

  • Deano VulcanoPro Member
    Investor · Fort Mill, SC · Member since 2013 · 129 posts · 70 votes
    6y

    We are in uncharted territory. We have never shut down the economy....worldwide. We have no playbook for this. The only thing keeping this boat, with a thousand holes, afloat is money being printed and the federal reserve pushing their magic little buttons transferring trillions of dollars in the blink of an eye. The housing and mortgage market got crushed with this latest bailout bill(please don`t call it a stimulus package), and we have yet to feel the affects. Call your mortgage broker tomorrow, they will tell you what`s really going on behind the scenes. The rules to qualify for a mortgage change everyday. Here in Charlotte, you cannot physically show a home. Renters don`t have to pay rent, landlords can`t evict, homeowners can get a 6 month or more forbearance plan (no payment to the servicer) and the lender cannot foreclose. Large companies and restaurant chains have told their lenders they will not be paying rent and it goes on and on and on. I`m no expert in anything, I`m just a regular joe with common sense and street smarts....this is unsustainable! 

    Now having said all that, am I sitting in my house cowering in fear, binging on Netflix or obsessively watching news channels? Nope, I get outside with a pad and pen and try to envision what the new housing landscape might look like when this cat 5 hurricane finally clears, and it will eventually. The one beautiful thing about real estate is, it will always be here, it will always be needed and there are a 101 ways to acquire, hold and sell it. Take a three day fast from watching the news or reading endless articles from so called experts, and just use your common sense. The storm is coming, we`re not sure how bad its going to be, but prepare for the worse and be ready to pivot.

  • Investor · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2019 · 38 posts · 20 votes
    6y

    @Johnny B Bad hey don’t drag Patrick Star into this conversation. Show some respect man!

  • Sunnyvale , CA · Member since 2017 · 373 posts · 362 votes
    6y

    @Adiel Gorel

    A friend wants to lose weight, 35 lbs. If he tries he can let that weight out in 12 - 18 months in a healthy fashion, not 6 days or 6 weeks. Odds are he may only lose 10 lbs or 15 lbs and give up. I’d give him better odds if he had only 15 lbs to lose. I think the wounds of Covid to the economy are the same. They are sharp and deep. Nothing is going to recover overnight. The economy will take 6 - 12 months of recovery time and recession is already happening.

  • Real Estate Agent · Murfreesboro, TN · Member since 2019 · 194 posts · 181 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Marco Bario:

    Will it cause a Depression? That's the question I've been asking. 

    Taking into account a global economic shock, a coinciding drop in energy prices, many small businesses that won't recover, unemployment, the possibility for a run on US Dollars which could cause the USD to spike, plus municipalities and retirement funds who were already on financial thin ice – there's a great deal of risk and the combined headwinds are enormous. 

     Do you mean spike down? There's no lack of USD in the markets...

  • Real Estate Agent · Murfreesboro, TN · Member since 2019 · 194 posts · 181 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Sam Josh:

    @Adiel Gorel

    A friend wants to lose weight, 35 lbs. If he tries he can let that weight out in 12 - 18 months in a healthy fashion, not 6 days or 6 weeks. Odds are he may only lose 10 lbs or 15 lbs and give up. I’d give him better odds if he had only 15 lbs to lose. I think the wounds of Covid to the economy are the same. They are sharp and deep. Nothing is going to recover overnight. The economy will take 6 - 12 months of recovery time and recession is already happening.

     Something that seems to be overlooked in all the discussions regarding the current situation is, we were heading here prior to covid. And everyone I see commenting seems to think things will bounceback be cause "historically they always have" but the country is young. Most folks are not accounting for the fact that we may very well lose reserve currency status... all the USD in the world won't fix that problem. There are variables here that I just don't think most folks are smart enough to account for. We can look to the Schiff's and Kiyosakis with their statements about what is old being sustainable, gold/silver/land, it seems foolish to assume we go back to anything like we've had, the world is changing. It would be a good idea to keep an open mind and learn as much as you can while stocking up on things that you can actually spend. Maybe we pull through and the USD is fine, that seems like a farce of thought to me though.

  • Rental Property Investor · Maryville, TN · Member since 2009 · 529 posts · 414 votes
    6y

    @Nick Gann actually usd are in a severe shortage in the overseas markets, due to massive usd denominated debt causing a spike up in dxy. The reason for gold and bitcoin down pressure lately due to selling to acquire dollars to service debt!

  • Rental Property Investor · Beavercreek OH · Member since 2018 · 422 posts · 970 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Adiel Gorel:

    As we all observe and fear the Coronavirus, we see many cities under “shelter-at-home” restrictions, and many “non-essential” businesses closing. Then on the other hand, the Fed lowered rates almost to zero, and mortgage rates, after a short spike, are starting to settle down near the lowest point ever. Some people fear a recession is likely to follow, and if we remember the recession of 2008, I think it’s quite possible. That depends, of course, on the length of the lock-down.

    If a recession does occur, let’s point out some of the differences between the recession of 2008 and the next recession, if it hits.

    Before the 2008 recession happened, there was a major boom in many states. Home prices in states like Arizona, Nevada and Florida went through the roof. The media was shouting “It’s a bubble! It has to burst!” Prices of homes in Phoenix, for example, nearly doubled from the beginning of 2004 till the middle of 2006. Not all states participated in the party, for example, Texas and Oklahoma have not gone up very much during that time.

    When the 2008 recession hit, the markets that went down precipitously were, of course, the exact markets that had participated in the 2004-2006 boom. Places in Arizona, Nevada, Florida, and other states. Prices tanked and crashed quite a bit. However not across the board, states like Texas and Oklahoma did not go down very much during the recession of 2008.

    By contrast, at the present time, especially in affordable markets like Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Baton Rouge, Central Florida, parts of Atlanta, Raleigh and others, there are currently no price bubbles. No major boom has happened, Thus the likelihood of a major price crash in such markets is much slimmer than the markets which crashed in the 2008 recession. There are very high priced markets now, the expensive markets in San Francisco, for example (which has already started going down in price last year). In such markets, there may be a stronger effect on prices. Also, when you invest in a brand new home in a good area in Oklahoma and pay $170,000. You are buying the home not much over the basic construction and land cost. Again, the probability of an “intrinsic value” home like this going down much is small. By contrast, a $2M home in San Francisco, which cost $900K to build, has a lot of “air” in the price, with a higher likelihood of prices going down in San Francisco.

    The recession of 2008 was created by housing. Lenders released all limits, and loans were made to virtually anyone that was human, almost regardless of credit or ability to pay. Some loans were up to 125% of the value of the house. This bad debt, called “sub-prime”, was then packaged among other debt, and amazingly, the credit agency gave these packages high ratings, as if it was a quality debt product. Then these faulty packages sold on Wall Street, and financial wizards found way to leverage them enormously. Once defaults on the bad loans started to hit, the entire structure unraveled.

    By contrast, at the present we are still under the Dodd-Frank Act, which was drafted after the 2008 recession. Borrowing is now much harder and lengthier than it was before the 2008 recession. Even borrowers with great credit are finding the current loan processes frustrating. The amount of sub-prime loans is minuscule relative the period preceding the 2008 recession, and steps were taken to make the abuses with rating agencies be much harder to repeat. Thus the next recession is likely not to be caused by bad loans. It is clear that if another recession comes, its effects on rental home investing will be quite different than the recession of 2008.

    I believe that the best way to invest in real estate is to buy brand new homes, in affordable large metropolitan areas, where the rent numbers match well with prices. Then finance the homes with a fixed-rate loan. To the best of my knowledge long term fixed rate loans like we get here in the US don’t exist elsewhere. The monthly payment and the mortgage balance never change with the cost of living, while everything else does. That means inflation constantly erodes the true buying buyer of your debt, making your debt ever smaller in real dollars.

    For these kinds of homes, purchased anywhere from $150K to $250K, I believe the effects of the next recession will be minimal. Rates are very low, however, so fixed rate loans will retain these great rates forever.

    The act of buying good rental homes in large metro areas and holding them as rental for the long term, where the loan erodes, is a future-changer. It does not change your future instantly or even within a short time, but over the long term, this strategy is a powerful future changer. I have seen people retire well, send kids to college, and look much stronger financially thanks to these simple yet powerful investments.

    Since these investments show their power over the long term, and since the interest rates are so favorable now, and since a possible impending recession is unlikely to have effects on prices like the 2008 recession, I believe this would be a good time to invest.

    As an extra “bonus”, the virus fear creates more flexibility with sellers, including builders, and the ability to negotiate better prices.

    I would be happy to discuss it with anyone who may wish to inquire further.

     Adiel,

    While I do agree with with most of your comments regarding inflation and real estate, I absolutely disagree with your contention that investment houses should be purchased new.

    New homes, particularly in my area, are priced substantially over a comparable used home. Buyers like shiny and new and plan on living in the home.  As such, they are willing to pay a huge premium that evaporates immediately after they move in. Very similar to the new/used car scenario.

    As an example: My son purchased a builders model home that was actually occupied by the builder in 2012. He stole it at as a short sale.  It's located in an "A" neighborhood and is 2400 square feet. Today it's likely worth 75-100k over his purchase price. A new build went up for sale last year directly across the street from him. The house is 200 square feet smaller and sits on an inferior lot (his is a corner waterfront). It does have a slightly newer elevation that is attractive. The new house sold for 100k over what his was likely worth at that time. That 100k has likely already disappeared. 

    How much rent would need to be collected to offset that huge depreciation?

    Bottom line: with rare exceptions, new houses are for homeowners and used houses are for investors.

    Respectfully,

    Gary

  • Rental Property Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2019 · 115 posts · 264 votes
    6y

    @Luke Ski not to mention, and I can’t believe no one is talking about this, giving away “free” money is going to have long lasting consequences. For everyone. The value of the dollar will drop and who says these stimulus checks will be used towards anything “stimulating?” Can’t just print more money to solve these problems. This was propped up on a shaky foundation and I’m afraid that foundation may crumble. Don’t think that when the country opens back up it will be back to normal - this will have negative impacts for quite a while. Having said all of that, we ALWAYS come out of these downturns eventually and when we do, we’ll be better than ever. Hang in there, things will get better... It just won’t be quickly.

  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    6y

    It is far past time for debating whether or not a recession will occur...that ship has sailed.  Most companies implemented their COB (continuity of business) plans over a month ago...and most families have as well.

    Regarding your real estate thesis, purchasing 1%'ers in non-appreciating locations is not a popular strategy among BP investors.  But selling them is.

  • Member since 2020 · 5 posts · 5 votes
    6y

    Yes - a long and drawn out recession. Death by a thousand paper cuts unless we have another black swan event.

    In agreement with the opinion that "Pain is on the way." How will this recession be different? Where will inflation hit first? What bubble will pop first? What companies or programs will be nationalized first?

    Not an original thought, but a friend pointed out that as of 2002 our total US debt was $6 Trillion. Our politicians saw fit to spend that much in the next few months. Think about that. From the founding of our nation until 2002 = $6T . Up until 2002 we had experienced a revolutionary War, War of 1812, Civil War, Two World Wars, Great Depression, a Couple Recessions and 50 years of Global Policing = $6T.

    So, how does the US raise cash to support the biggest debt funded bailout in human history (or handout depending on the industry and your personal opinion)? The Fed Reserve and Treasury do a little dance to flood the market with money - propping up the stock market artificially.

    Not an original thought: A weakened supply chain and cheap money = crippling inflation. Where will it hit first? What bubble will pop first? What companies or programs will be nationalized first?

    Answer = I don't know for sure. If you want an interesting case study, compare the US to Japan. Pain is on the way. I believe it. That said, I like rentals; rentals that are paid for. Will inflation drive up the cost of homes? Maybe if we have never ending stimulus. Will we see another foreclosure cycle like in 2008? If you're comparing apples to apples then maybe not. However, this time it is different. Want to leverage up? Better control your risk, if that's possible because if we see another black swan event in the near term, you will be hard pressed to keep things afloat.

  • Member since 2020 · 26 posts · 43 votes
    6y

    Some interesting perspectives here.

    My family and I own several dozen properties across California. Single family homes, gas stations, gyms, etc. My parents have owned property for nearly 30 years and have seen a few recessions.

    All of our tenants paid rent this past month except our gym tenant (force majure) which is a large blow to income. While we agreed to an extension of a lease for however long they are closed and not paying rent, I don't see them reopening through at least May and like the restaurant industry, the fitness industry will get hit hard, even when things get reopened. It remains to be seen if the rest of our tenants (commercial and residential) will pay rent next month.

    We are in a recession and anyone who thinks we'll just bounce back from this in a few months is delusional. At best we get ourselves a prolonged recession with inflation. At worst we're looking at a Great Depression scenario similar to the 1930s with hyperinflation and increased government oversight.

    It'll take some time for real estate prices to move but they'll catch up. Yes there will be opportunities but thinking of the bigger picture, who knows what our economy will look like once restrictions are lifted, both short term and long term.

    When this is all said and done, we'll look back and realize we destroyed our economy and gave up more of our liberties all for a virus.

  • Olathe, KS · Member since 2018 · 148 posts · 207 votes
    6y

    We're already in one.  No stopping that now.  The only question is how far down will we go, and how long will it take to climb out?

    Commercial real estate is going to take a long time to come back from this.  You've got:

    small businesses that aren't going to survive even with loans

    large businesses (JC Penney, etc) that were already close to the edge and this might push them over

    malls that may not make it out

    businesses that instead of opening multiple locations are just going to have people work from home

    It's 10 years worth of change smashed into a 2 or 3 month span.  Businesses that were going to be around in 10 years will be fine probably.  Things that were operating close the edge and could go under anytime probably won't make it.

    A lot of those jobs may not come back either, or may be radically different.  Food delivery just got supercharged.

  • Owen DashnerPro Member
    Lender · Omaha, NE · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    Coming soon: Commercial real estate is going to get absolutely smoked.  Hospitality and small retail is devastated.  There are going to be thousands of bars and restaurants, salons, storefronts, etc. going out of business. There are going to be lots of small and medium businesses (and probably a lot of large) that are going to realize how costly and non-essential brick and mortar locations are now that they have really seen how virtual workforces can operate. 

    This is going to have far reaching ripple effects into loan defaults and will carry over into residential real estate when all of these employees are now out of jobs and unable to pay the bills.  $1200 "stimulus" checks ain't gonna cut it when people can't pay rent or mortgages and the music stops on eviction and foreclosure moratoriums. 

    This is the eye of the hurricane.  To be sure, there will be a lot of opportunities within this to those with dry powder, but people are going to go through a LOT of pain and suffering.

  • Specialist · Frederick, MD · Member since 2017 · 475 posts · 454 votes
    6y

    @Will G. Yes. You gave the same answer I'd have given to @Nick Gann's question about the USD. 

  • Member since 2020 · 6 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    @Johnny B Bad I’m interested in your thoughts on why new homes are such a terrible investment. We live in an area with a ton of new construction.

  • Member since 2020 · 26 posts · 43 votes
    6y

    @Owen Dashner You definitely summed up the domino effect we're going to see. Even if lockdown lifted tomorrow, it will take many months for people to start feeling comfortable integrating back into daily life.

    On top of that, many companies now see that it's possible to continue with a smaller workforce and/or a workforce that's not necessarily physically present. Add to this the fact that companies will be hurting regardless, you're looking at much more unemployment in the months ahead. 

    Will be interesting to see what happens to all those new, large-scale mixed-use developments complete with a slew of retail and dining establishments along with socially-dependent tenants like Dave & Busters. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Neenah, WI · Member since 2019 · 154 posts · 105 votes
    6y

    I was hopeful this post wouldn't turn into another Civil Liberties dispute, but it has.  I understand both sides but it really getting old.  

  • Real Estate Consultant · new york, NY · Member since 2019 · 34 posts · 28 votes
    6y

    @Luke Ski True. You know everything is structured poorly when people are getting 72 month car loans.

  • Real Estate Agent · Sisters, OR · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    My view is we are in trouble economically.  I can see many small businesses not coming back.  I also see our service/consumer economy transferring into a production economy.  Which is something I have been hoping for.  It would be painful to have the easy money and loans go away but in the long term it doesn’t work.  I would also like to see inflation for the sole reason is that means there is no deflation which would really suck (for the lack of a better term).  

    I have heard and read but I’m not a 100% sure that the great Recession in 2008 was the greatest transfer of wealth in history.  From what I observe the middle class jobs I recall as kid have been replaced with crap like disability, restaurants, part time odds and ends.  If in 10-15 years we had a country where kids could raise their family in the town they grew up in with a solid family wage job without some worthless degree for 70k, that would help spread the wealth more equitably then it is now.  We used to have factories and mills that provided those jobs maybe one day we can bring those back.

    The average deal now for a C+/B- multi-famly building in my area are selling for a 5-5.5 Cap.  I am guessing they will be closer to a 7-7.5 Cap in 6 months to a year.  

    FYI I have been thinking the market was going crash for at least 4 years and it has proven me wrong every time.  If I keep calling for the crash on of these years I will get it right! LOL

    Happy Easter!!

  • Member since 2020 · 5 posts · 5 votes
    6y

    @Eric Bilderback Calling for a crash is different than timing it.

    I agree, the treasury and feds can't prop up the market forever. Eventually, 401Ks, pensions, and all stock investments are going lock up, and the liquidity trap that we all know is hiding in the shadows will be realized. At some point, a rebound will take anywhere from 10 to 20 years to recover. Or more. I like real estate.

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 95 posts · 53 votes
    6y

    Will Covid-19 cause a Resession?  Yes, obviously.

    The question you should be asking is "Will this cause a Depression"?

  • Real Estate Agent · Murfreesboro, TN · Member since 2019 · 194 posts · 181 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Michael Lenahan:

    Will Covid-19 cause a Resession?  Yes, obviously.

    The question you should be asking is "Will this cause a Depression"?

    I disagree, theres no lack of usd in the markets. We will see that reality unfold soon. 

  • Rental Property Investor · CA (orange county) · Member since 2020 · 18 posts · 10 votes
    6y

    @John Underwood

    6/10 of my tenant paid up for April.

    The 4 that wasn’t able to pay have good jobs but are out of work right now.

    Most renters don’t have immediate emergency funds. I highly doubt we are going back to business as normal when this is over. Most people will be playing catch up. It’s sad but it’s true.

    A recession is imminent.

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