My tenant is suing me...🙄

My tenant is suing me...🙄

Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2017 · 383 posts · 248 votes

Hey folks, looking for any experiences you can share that are similar and/or advice on how to best prepare for this upcoming Mediation date. I've never done this before.

Here's the story: we inherited a Section8 tenant that just went south. She was occasionally volatile and unhinged on phone calls and wouldn't let me in for a walk-through/move-in inspection at first (seller hadn't done one) when we took over until I explained twice how much it was in her best interest to do so. Anyway I finally got in, found some broken blinds and other small things and fixed those - and felt we were off to a good start. But she got a little squirley - had a gentlemen living there that wasn't on the lease, would call at all hours of the night and leave weird messages, etc... my PM called her, "the worst I've ever has" - which sucked for him. Anyway she got squirley around re-upping the lease vs. moving out when it was time. She finally vacated - albeit not on the proper terms - without proper notice and left a decent amount of damage. She also owed back rent and late fees (this was all pre-covid) and she didn't show up to do a walk-out, etc... 

We followed the lease and law to a T, sent over the damages/reconciliation, etc... and she ghosted. I thought I'd never see that $1400ish and was ok with that, we were going to get great tenants for that unit. Then I was tipped off to a city service called Landlord Mitigation Fund where, if you're housing a Section 8 tenant and they leave you high and dry like this, you can submit proof and they'll issue you a check. How lovely. I compiled it all (lease, notices, reconciliation, etc...) and 8 weeks later I got a check. Lovely, case closed, right? Wrong.

About 9 months later she starts calling me incessantly -5/6 times a day. I never answered as she had a history of somewhat abusive (drunk, inappropriate) calls to my PM. I eventually had to block her number. The PM messaged me to say she was doing the same to him - leaving him voicemails about suing us. Then the PM got hit with a subpoena to appear in Small Claims - she is suing the PM and myself for $10k?! She's citing that she lived with rats, that we "took" her deposit, etc... As she was Section8 I figured I'd call her case-worker to get to the bottom of it and she just gave me a long sigh (she wasn't just a problem for us, it seems) and said the tenant was most likely at risk for losing her voucher b/c of the owing us back rent and fees and she probably got an ambulance chaser lawyer to encourage her to "go after as much as you can" - which in Wa is $10k.

Like I said - we did everything by the book (again this was all pre-covid), Section9 standards, etc... And when they came in for inspections and dinged us - which was rare but did happen - it was documented, fixed immediately, and passed the next go 'round. It was so by the book that the city got all the paperwork and paid us what she owed. Again, I considered this a done deal and was grateful that the city had such a program.

So I'm wondering if you all have any advice on how to best prepare for this mediation zoom we're doing in a few weeks? I have her full file pulled together including any/all notices, correspondence, Section8 inspections, pest control payments/subscriptions and even emails from the cleaning crew and handymen who had to put the unit back together after she left - stating how gnarly it was. Are all my bases covered? Anything I should be aware of? In Wa, we're not allowed to obtain legal for Small Claims so I'm a little on my own here.  Thank you.

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Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
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Ignore Mike Baxter. I don't think you have anything to worry about. You already demonstrated proof and were awarded the funds so that demonstrates an objective third party agreed with you. Document everything, including phone records to show the harassing phone calls, and bring evidence to court. Don't over-do it with evidence, but be prepared to answer any of her complaints. She will show up with little/no documentation and there's a very good chance her crazy will come out. All you have to do is stay professional and let the evidence do most of the talking.

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  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    5y

    Counter sue for abuse of process. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Nathan Gesner:

    Ignore Mike Baxter. I don't think you have anything to worry about. You already demonstrated proof and were awarded the funds so that demonstrates an objective third party agreed with you. Document everything, including phone records to show the harassing phone calls, and bring evidence to court. Don't over-do it with evidence, but be prepared to answer any of her complaints. She will show up with little/no documentation and there's a very good chance her crazy will come out. All you have to do is stay professional and let the evidence do most of the talking.

    Yup the judge's are not brain dead.. I dont think you have much to worry about the great part of small claims is no lawyers just her against you.. should be a win hands down.. unless this is no small claims and its actual mediation with her having an attorney and you having one.. then its somewhat different..  I have won all my small claims EVERY single time except once when I forgot and no showed and got defaulted  LOL  

  • Real Estate Broker · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    5y

    @Christen G. When I have something I have to go into court/litigation for I first look at it and decide "A or B". A, i have all the documentation in spades clearly placing me in the right and the other side has nothing other than an argument. -OR- B which generally goes "Sh#t... why didn't I document that...." 

    In "A" I go with a "make it easy for the judge" strategy every time. I put my file together, in a step-thru manner meaning to present in the order a judge would call for it or need it to read thru the story. I design this strategy to speak as little as possible, zero if possible, lay everything out fast, simple, directly, and let out things I know the other side will flip over because here I am, making it simple for the judge, cool, calm, collected, and the other side has nothing and is freaking out yelling and shouting. Make it easy to be one of the easy cases the judge says "ok, I see how this is, lets get it over and out of here", because like mentioned it's very true that judges have a focus to burn thru cases as fast as possible, if possible, so make it possible. 

    Or "B", it's gonna be a fight so, embrace the suck. I lawyer up, lace up, fight like hell. 

    If you have never done court before, watch some court tv, no joke, get some exposure, it's not half as intimidating as it seems. If your a documentation nut like me, you'll do a-ok just keep calm, judges hate hot heads, or being interrupted. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2016 · 93 posts · 85 votes
    5y

    @Mike Baxter

    What a low quality reply is this... You guarantee what??

    Sounds like you left the state and now are trying to pigeonhole every problem everyone else is having into whatever the hell you were dealing with

  • Realtor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    5y

    Stick to the facts, have a concise and clear timeline of events (sounds like you're solid as you've laid everything out perfectly here). Focus on what's germane to the case and be polite, don't get emotional. You'll be fine. Tenant probably won't even show. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:
    Originally posted by @Edit B.:

    @Mike Baxter

    What a low quality reply is this... You guarantee what?? 

    Sounds like you left the state and now are trying to pigeonhole every problem everyone else is having into whatever the hell you were dealing with

    Heh, heh, heh  . . . It's interesting that everyone here is an expert on landlord tenant lawsuits in Seattle and yet I'm the only one that actually owned properties there (for 20 years) except for the original poster. This will be most entertaining if he follows people's advice given in this post. Two of my attorneys moved out of state, one to Montana and the other to Texas because of the lopsided rulings.

    Let me point out two things:

    1. Someone from a social agency found her and directed her to a free legal service.

    2. She's nuts & Sec 8, so logic does not apply here. 

    3. Law is not about justice, it's about who can convince the judge best. A lawyer will beat a novice every time. 

    D. It looks good in the local Seattle newspaper when a tenant beats a landlord and the law school gets free reviews and believe it or not, they get paid for providing "free" legal service in a case like this.

    Why do you believe things are "fair"? Don't you see what's going on around you with eviction moratoriums and no need for tenants to pay rent? 

    Guess that doesn't bother you.  

     To each his own. I've got my popcorn ready for the show.

    As Willy Wonka says "the suspense is terrible, I hope it will last".  Let's see how things turn out.

     However if its truly small claims court there are no lawyers..  Not free legal aid or any thing like that you know that ..  its just the made as hell tenant and the landlord .. agree watch judge judy for how to compose yourself at small claims court.. 

  • Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 824 posts · 1k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:
    Originally posted by @Christen G.:

    I have been through mediation and it is less about who is right and more about how to compromise. The mediator cares less about facts and more about how to get you both to "give" something. She is starting at $10,000 hoping to get a couple thousand. You are starting at $0 hoping to give $0. Mediators are not judges, so if there is no compromise, it goes to court.

    Joe - always appreciate your smart insights. This never even occurred to me, but as someone who studied mediation in HS/college as what was thought to be a side-gig, this makes total sense. It is indeed mediation, its meant for both parties to compromise. Compromise makes sense if both parties are at fault, but if you truly believe you are in the right, then your opening position should match it. 

  • Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2017 · 824 posts · 1k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:
    Originally posted by @Edit B.:

    @Mike Baxter

    What a low quality reply is this... You guarantee what?? 

    Sounds like you left the state and now are trying to pigeonhole every problem everyone else is having into whatever the hell you were dealing with

    Heh, heh, heh  . . . It's interesting that everyone here is an expert on landlord tenant lawsuits in Seattle and yet I'm the only one that actually owned properties there (for 20 years) except for the original poster. This will be most entertaining if he follows people's advice given in this post. Two of my attorneys moved out of state, one to Montana and the other to Texas because of the lopsided rulings.

    Let me point out two things:

    1. Someone from a social agency found her and directed her to a free legal service.

    2. She's nuts & Sec 8, so logic does not apply here. 

    3. Law is not about justice, it's about who can convince the judge best. A lawyer will beat a novice every time. 

    D. It looks good in the local Seattle newspaper when a tenant beats a landlord and the law school gets free reviews and believe it or not, they get paid for providing "free" legal service in a case like this.

    Why do you believe things are "fair"? Don't you see what's going on around you with eviction moratoriums and no need for tenants to pay rent? 

    Guess that doesn't bother you.  

     To each his own. I've got my popcorn ready for the show.

    As Willy Wonka says "the suspense is terrible, I hope it will last".  Let's see how things turn out.

     However if its truly small claims court there are no lawyers..  Not free legal aid or any thing like that you know that ..  its just the made as hell tenant and the landlord .. agree watch judge judy for how to compose yourself at small claims court.. 

    My wife and I watch Judge Judy every night. Not only is it entertainment, but I feel like its extremely loose prep for the eventual court case that will be brought against me in this business...

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2017 · 383 posts · 248 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:
    Originally posted by @Nathan Gesner:

    Ignore Mike Baxter. I don't think you have anything to worry about. You already demonstrated proof and were awarded the funds so that demonstrates an objective third party agreed with you. Document everything, including phone records to show the harassing phone calls, and bring evidence to court. Don't over-do it with evidence, but be prepared to answer any of her complaints. She will show up with little/no documentation and there's a very good chance her crazy will come out. All you have to do is stay professional and let the evidence do most of the talking.

    Not to be too pointed, but I actually owned properties in Seattle and went through those problems with the scars to show for it.

    Have you ever owned a property in Seattle? Have you been watching BLM, Antifa, or CHAZ/CHOP in Seattle, the Seattle City counsel or the King Co Counsel and their decisions regarding landlords, renters, and such? There is no respect for landlords or private property. You have to lawyer up, be aggressive and be distracted by the time & process . . . or walk and make a living in peace elsewhere.

    The mistake is to think that any other part of the country does things like you do in your neck of the woods in WY. ;-) 

    The coast does things very, very differently. 

    This property isn't in Seatte man - take your right wing ignorant, bigoted self off of this thread.

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2017 · 383 posts · 248 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Jonathan R McLaughlin:

    Former mediator here who worked under a principal empowerment model in MA. Meant we were trained to help the parties come to a resolution on their on but not engage directive compromise or “I think the judge will” kind of steering.

    It can be very effective in messy circumstances, especially when the issue is broken communication and wrong assumptions on each side. The primary value to the judges is to move a messy case off to the side while they clear the docket of the easy ones. For the parties, it can actually be much more satisfying than a court hearing. Data shows that people are much more compliant with juidicial rulings after having gone through mediation, even when they lose.

    That may not be your mediators exact model but I would engage with it as a learning experience and understanding how people think. Keep calm, keep to the facts, make every effort to explain why things were done. from what you say here there is little to no reason to pay anything to her and a mediation will prepare you better for the hearing/trial afterward. You are the defendant so I’m pretty sure you do not have to accept any mediators conclusion.

    You may find some trigger of pride that ends this quickly for minimal money, but you should have little to fear in a well run court.

    I really appreciate your experience and insight here. I don't anticipate "pride triggers" - as again, I wasn't as hands on with her as the PM was. But again, thank you for being helpful.

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2017 · 383 posts · 248 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @James Hamling:

    @Christen G. When I have something I have to go into court/litigation for I first look at it and decide "A or B". A, i have all the documentation in spades clearly placing me in the right and the other side has nothing other than an argument. -OR- B which generally goes "Sh#t... why didn't I document that...." 

    In "A" I go with a "make it easy for the judge" strategy every time. I put my file together, in a step-thru manner meaning to present in the order a judge would call for it or need it to read thru the story. I design this strategy to speak as little as possible, zero if possible, lay everything out fast, simple, directly, and let out things I know the other side will flip over because here I am, making it simple for the judge, cool, calm, collected, and the other side has nothing and is freaking out yelling and shouting. Make it easy to be one of the easy cases the judge says "ok, I see how this is, lets get it over and out of here", because like mentioned it's very true that judges have a focus to burn thru cases as fast as possible, if possible, so make it possible. 

    Or "B", it's gonna be a fight so, embrace the suck. I lawyer up, lace up, fight like hell. 

    If you have never done court before, watch some court tv, no joke, get some exposure, it's not half as intimidating as it seems. If your a documentation nut like me, you'll do a-ok just keep calm, judges hate hot heads, or being interrupted. 

    Thanks, James - super helpful. I certainly fall into column A here - with photo evidence and what not. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2017 · 383 posts · 248 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:
    Originally posted by @Edit B.:

    @Mike Baxter

    What a low quality reply is this... You guarantee what?? 

    Sounds like you left the state and now are trying to pigeonhole every problem everyone else is having into whatever the hell you were dealing with

    Heh, heh, heh  . . . It's interesting that everyone here is an expert on landlord tenant lawsuits in Seattle and yet I'm the only one that actually owned properties there (for 20 years) except for the original poster. This will be most entertaining if he follows people's advice given in this post. Two of my attorneys moved out of state, one to Montana and the other to Texas because of the lopsided rulings.

    Let me point out two things:

    1. Someone from a social agency found her and directed her to a free legal service.

    2. She's nuts & Sec 8, so logic does not apply here. 

    3. Law is not about justice, it's about who can convince the judge best. A lawyer will beat a novice every time. 

    D. It looks good in the local Seattle newspaper when a tenant beats a landlord and the law school gets free reviews and believe it or not, they get paid for providing "free" legal service in a case like this.

    Why do you believe things are "fair"? Don't you see what's going on around you with eviction moratoriums and no need for tenants to pay rent? 

    Guess that doesn't bother you.  

     To each his own. I've got my popcorn ready for the show.

    As Willy Wonka says "the suspense is terrible, I hope it will last".  Let's see how things turn out.

    Mike,

    1) THE PROPERTY IS NOT IN SEATTLE - which I've stated twice now.

    2) We're glad you left the state. Now please do us all a favour and leave this thread.

  • Dan DiFilippoBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Fayetteville, NC · Member since 2020 · 251 posts · 244 votes
    5y

    @Christen G. I've dealt with a very similar situation, but without the later suit against me. I got my tenant's voucher stripped (very gratifying; I hope she's presently destitute) and was awarded a monetary judgment. Without knowing your local laws, I don't think she'd have any basis. There are procedures for action against landlords who fail to fulfill their contract obligations (providing and maintaining a suitable domicile). We can be almost certain she didn't use them before because she knew she didn't have a case.

    Just get your evidence. Get a nice big folder, walk into court with confidence, and do us all the favor of keeping her off the taxpayer dole.

    Brookdale Property Management
  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2017 · 383 posts · 248 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Dan DiFilippo:

    @Christen G. I've dealt with a very similar situation, but without the later suit against me. I got my tenant's voucher stripped (very gratifying; I hope she's presently destitute) and was awarded a monetary judgment. Without knowing your local laws, I don't think she'd have any basis. There are procedures for action against landlords who fail to fulfill their contract obligations (providing and maintaining a suitable domicile). We can be almost certain she didn't use them before because she knew she didn't have a case.

    Just get your evidence. Get a nice big folder, walk into court with confidence, and do us all the favor of keeping her off the taxpayer dole.

     Sorry to hear you had this experience, though I don't think our situations are too too similar. I don't wish her any harm - and she clearly needs some assistance. I just think it's asinine that I'm being dragged into a Zoom call to be like, 'hi I did it all by the book...so much so that the city awarded me funds..." feels like a waste of time, money and energy. Best of luck to you.

  • Edison, NJ · Member since 2011 · 4 posts · 2 votes
    5y

    Couple of things that jump at me.

    #1 - Small claims court.  As been already states, it's going to be like Judge Judy.  Don't be surprised if the judge asks you to work with a mediator. You'll basically go into a room and discuss the issues, and monies.  You will probably hear that she wants to get paid because as the case worker mentioned, she is close to losing her Section 8 bfits.

    #2- You don't have to get a lawyer, but it is probably good advice to get one or at least consult one.

    #3 - Unless the former tenant has pictures or  documents alot what she will say will be hearsay.  No judge wants to waste their time with hearsay.  The more they talk with no proof, the more likely the judge will get annoyed and toss the case.  I had a situation like that with a family member that tried to sue me.  I had all these papers, proofs, signatures, pictures.  The family had nothing, and after 5 minutes, the judge tossed the case and I was awarded the verdict.

    #4 - There is a chance the person might not even show up to court, which will grant you an immediate judgement.  That happened to me when I was evicting a Section 8 tenant.

    Long story, I get it, no one wants to go thru this.  It's a waste of time and an emotionally taxing experience.  But use this experience as a learning experience for what not to do with tenants so that if you ever end up in a similar situation you will be less likely to be nervous.
    Based on your diligence with making repairs, keeping notes, and have everything documented I do not believe you will be in trouble.

    I'm not a lawyer so don't hold me to it, but you do have a strong defense and you show yourself to be a very diligent landlord.

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2017 · 383 posts · 248 votes
    5y

    Figured I'd update everyone: We filed the counter suit for no other reason than to have something to "give up" in mediation....but it didnt matter she brought her full crazy and after 3 hours wouldn't accept our cash offer to move on and be done with it all. She insisted we take it to court. Unfortunately, she'll lose in court - which means her voucher will be lost and she'll have a landlord/tenant suit on her name - preventing her from renting from anyone who runs those background checks. It's a really crappy situation no matter how you slice it.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Christen G.:

    Figured I'd update everyone: We filed the counter suit for no other reason than to have something to "give up" in mediation....but it didnt matter she brought her full crazy and after 3 hours wouldn't accept our cash offer to move on and be done with it all. She insisted we take it to court. Unfortunately, she'll lose in court - which means her voucher will be lost and she'll have a landlord/tenant suit on her name - preventing her from renting from anyone who runs those background checks. It's a really crappy situation no matter how you slice it.

    Yup sometimes you just can reason with people.. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2017 · 383 posts · 248 votes
    5y

    Double - update. She has emailed us and is now willing to accept our offer. Hoping I can get this done with the mediation team and not engage my lawyer again!

  • Joe SplitrockPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 18k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Christen G.:

    Double - update. She has emailed us and is now willing to accept our offer. Hoping I can get this done with the mediation team and not engage my lawyer again!

     Wait, what cash offer? I thought you didn't owe her anything? 

    Be careful if you are communicating with her without legal council. That can create problems.

  • Rental Property Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2011 · 956 posts · 510 votes
    5y

    Anybody can sue anyone for
    anything . I have the impression you’ve done everything right , so I don’t think you should have any worries. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2017 · 383 posts · 248 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:
    Originally posted by @Christen G.:

    Double - update. She has emailed us and is now willing to accept our offer. Hoping I can get this done with the mediation team and not engage my lawyer again!

     Wait, what cash offer? I thought you didn't owe her anything? 

    Be careful if you are communicating with her without legal council. That can create problems.

    At mediation, we were said, look, we'll give up the counter suit and all walk away no harm, no foul. And for 2 hours (!!) was like no, I want my deposit - rambled, interrupted, lied, etc... And it looked like it was going before a judge and to try and prevent it from going to the judge, dragging it out for us, etc... AND making her lose her voucher, etc... we offered a roughly 50% - she declined. We were like, cool - see ya in court. Anyway, she emailed us and said she'd take it, so we're drawing up the release now and hoping she means it and we can avoid the court room - for everyone's sake!

  • Rental Property Investor · Murrieta, CA · Member since 2020 · 338 posts · 343 votes
    5y

    @Christen G.

    Do not buy in blue states they are tenant friendly.

  • Joe SplitrockPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 18k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Christen G.:
    Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:
    Originally posted by @Christen G.:

    Double - update. She has emailed us and is now willing to accept our offer. Hoping I can get this done with the mediation team and not engage my lawyer again!

     Wait, what cash offer? I thought you didn't owe her anything? 

    Be careful if you are communicating with her without legal council. That can create problems.

    At mediation, we were said, look, we'll give up the counter suit and all walk away no harm, no foul. And for 2 hours (!!) was like no, I want my deposit - rambled, interrupted, lied, etc... And it looked like it was going before a judge and to try and prevent it from going to the judge, dragging it out for us, etc... AND making her lose her voucher, etc... we offered a roughly 50% - she declined. We were like, cool - see ya in court. Anyway, she emailed us and said she'd take it, so we're drawing up the release now and hoping she means it and we can avoid the court room - for everyone's sake!

     Unfortunately just as I predicted. I guess it is worth a few hundred dollars to get the crazy out of your life. In just about any other state in the country, I would say go to court. In your state, I wouldn't take the chance, even though you are right. I hope it works out. Thanks for sharing the updates. It is a great opportunity for other landlords to learn how the process works. 

    Out of curiosity, was the mediator pushing you to offer money? What were they saying to you?

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2017 · 383 posts · 248 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Nick Robinson:

    @Christen G.

    Do not buy in blue states they are tenant friendly.

    I couldnt disagree more.

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2017 · 383 posts · 248 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:
    Originally posted by @Christen G.:
    Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:
    Originally posted by @Christen G.:

    Double - update. She has emailed us and is now willing to accept our offer. Hoping I can get this done with the mediation team and not engage my lawyer again!

     Wait, what cash offer? I thought you didn't owe her anything? 

    Be careful if you are communicating with her without legal council. That can create problems.

    At mediation, we were said, look, we'll give up the counter suit and all walk away no harm, no foul. And for 2 hours (!!) was like no, I want my deposit - rambled, interrupted, lied, etc... And it looked like it was going before a judge and to try and prevent it from going to the judge, dragging it out for us, etc... AND making her lose her voucher, etc... we offered a roughly 50% - she declined. We were like, cool - see ya in court. Anyway, she emailed us and said she'd take it, so we're drawing up the release now and hoping she means it and we can avoid the court room - for everyone's sake!

     Unfortunately just as I predicted. I guess it is worth a few hundred dollars to get the crazy out of your life. In just about any other state in the country, I would say go to court. In your state, I wouldn't take the chance, even though you are right. I hope it works out. Thanks for sharing the updates. It is a great opportunity for other landlords to learn how the process works. 

    Out of curiosity, was the mediator pushing you to offer money? What were they saying to you?

    You know, I went through a pretty intense mediation last year for something unrelated to real estate and I can say with full confidence that this mediator was terrible. He was basically like "let's get to an agreement, everyone should give up a little something" - but he also let her go on and on and interrupt and just show her full crazy - it was a giant waste of time. 

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