Hello,
I am looking to purchase an investment property in PCB that I will use for STR. I have seen a lot of mixed reviews on whether to go CONDO or SFR. I spoke with a realtor in the area and he is saying that a CONDO will have better cash flow due to occupancy rates. I am looking for a place $700k and under. I can get a condo on the beach or a SFR several blocks from the beach from what I am seeing. Does anyone have any SFR in this area that can validate occupancy rates on STR? The realtor is telling me that even for a CONDO I should not plan more than 60% and that if I get a SFR north of HWY 98, it will be closer to 20% occupancy rate.
I am a Realtor in the area, my husband and I own a SFR in Laguna Beach, and we owned and operated a vacation rental company along 30A and the west end of PCB for about 10 years (Sold the company last year). That being said, there are some differences in SFR and Condos.
In general, figure 24-26 weeks per year for rentals. Northside of 98 won't rent short term. Too far to the beach. There is way to much competition. Ideally you want to be less then 1/3 of a mile to the beach. Ideally around 1/4.
Keep in mind that you can't be all things to all people. Those wanting to be beach front, a home won't do. Those that don't want to deal with elevators and want their own space, a condo won't do. Regarding condos, definitely get onto VRBO.com and read reviews. Some complain that they had to wait 30 minutes to get an elevator, other complexes are fine. The larger the condo, the higher the association fees. There are now new laws in place, due to the collapse of the south Florida condo building, regarding the reserves the condo needs to have and getting maintenance completed. Make sure to ask if there are any special assessments.
For a SFR, the 'trifecta' for rentals is, pet friendly (dogs only), fenced yard and private heated pool. When we had our company, about half of the rentals were pet friendly. It is very hard for people to find 'nice' pet friendly homes. Condos do not allow guests to bring pets, only owners. Our rental is not a large home, 3/2 plus bunks (sleeps 8) and about 1,100 SF. Huge backyard, screened porch and updated. We are completely booked from now till early Sept and then about 3 weeks in the fall.
When looking at SFR in PCB, make sure the street allows short term rentals as some streets don't. All in all, it's going to be a personal preference as to whether you buy a condo vs. home. Do you want to use the property? If so, what fits your families needs?
I will also mention that we are purchasing a 1-bedroom condo in Port St. Joe. New construction, great location and that condo complex will allow guests to bring pets. I'm not against condos, but you need to decide what's right for you.
Hope this all makes sense and helps. Let me know if you have other questions.
I am a Realtor in the area, my husband and I own a SFR in Laguna Beach, and we owned and operated a vacation rental company along 30A and the west end of PCB for about 10 years (Sold the company last year). That being said, there are some differences in SFR and Condos.
In general, figure 24-26 weeks per year for rentals. Northside of 98 won't rent short term. Too far to the beach. There is way to much competition. Ideally you want to be less then 1/3 of a mile to the beach. Ideally around 1/4.
Keep in mind that you can't be all things to all people. Those wanting to be beach front, a home won't do. Those that don't want to deal with elevators and want their own space, a condo won't do. Regarding condos, definitely get onto VRBO.com and read reviews. Some complain that they had to wait 30 minutes to get an elevator, other complexes are fine. The larger the condo, the higher the association fees. There are now new laws in place, due to the collapse of the south Florida condo building, regarding the reserves the condo needs to have and getting maintenance completed. Make sure to ask if there are any special assessments.
For a SFR, the 'trifecta' for rentals is, pet friendly (dogs only), fenced yard and private heated pool. When we had our company, about half of the rentals were pet friendly. It is very hard for people to find 'nice' pet friendly homes. Condos do not allow guests to bring pets, only owners. Our rental is not a large home, 3/2 plus bunks (sleeps 8) and about 1,100 SF. Huge backyard, screened porch and updated. We are completely booked from now till early Sept and then about 3 weeks in the fall.
When looking at SFR in PCB, make sure the street allows short term rentals as some streets don't. All in all, it's going to be a personal preference as to whether you buy a condo vs. home. Do you want to use the property? If so, what fits your families needs?
I will also mention that we are purchasing a 1-bedroom condo in Port St. Joe. New construction, great location and that condo complex will allow guests to bring pets. I'm not against condos, but you need to decide what's right for you.
Hope this all makes sense and helps. Let me know if you have other questions.
@January Johnson is who you want for this question!
Plus one on JJ. Plus one of her team @Napoleon DeCiutiis.
Hi @Mike Downey, reach out to @January Johnson. I am also happy to answer any lending questions that you may have!
Hello,
I am looking to purchase an investment property in PCB that I will use for STR. I have seen a lot of mixed reviews on whether to go CONDO or SFR. I spoke with a realtor in the area and he is saying that a CONDO will have better cash flow due to occupancy rates. I am looking for a place $700k and under. I can get a condo on the beach or a SFR several blocks from the beach from what I am seeing. Does anyone have any SFR in this area that can validate occupancy rates on STR? The realtor is telling me that even for a CONDO I should not plan more than 60% and that if I get a SFR north of HWY 98, it will be closer to 20% occupancy rate.
@Mike, if you look at the current occupancy rates for PCB through Air DNA, they are at 64%. I would also take those numbers with a grain of salt b/c Vacasa and Soleil/Walmart Management Companies will skew those numbers, so as someone who solely sells STRs, I disagree with the estimates you were given. I have clients right now with 70% occupancy rates. With proper targeting and self management you can do that. The Short Term Shop will help you excel in both of those areas.
North of 98 is the Death Zone for STR, with the exception of a few spots closer to 30a/Inlet Beach.
Between @January Johnson and myself, we can answer any questions that you may have. Good luck! Let us know if you'd like any help and keep us updated on the forum with your progress!
I am a Realtor in the area, my husband and I own a SFR in Laguna Beach, and we owned and operated a vacation rental company along 30A and the west end of PCB for about 10 years (Sold the company last year). That being said, there are some differences in SFR and Condos.
In general, figure 24-26 weeks per year for rentals. Northside of 98 won't rent short term. Too far to the beach. There is way to much competition. Ideally you want to be less then 1/3 of a mile to the beach. Ideally around 1/4.
Keep in mind that you can't be all things to all people. Those wanting to be beach front, a home won't do. Those that don't want to deal with elevators and want their own space, a condo won't do. Regarding condos, definitely get onto VRBO.com and read reviews. Some complain that they had to wait 30 minutes to get an elevator, other complexes are fine. The larger the condo, the higher the association fees. There are now new laws in place, due to the collapse of the south Florida condo building, regarding the reserves the condo needs to have and getting maintenance completed. Make sure to ask if there are any special assessments.
For a SFR, the 'trifecta' for rentals is, pet friendly (dogs only), fenced yard and private heated pool. When we had our company, about half of the rentals were pet friendly. It is very hard for people to find 'nice' pet friendly homes. Condos do not allow guests to bring pets, only owners. Our rental is not a large home, 3/2 plus bunks (sleeps 8) and about 1,100 SF. Huge backyard, screened porch and updated. We are completely booked from now till early Sept and then about 3 weeks in the fall.
When looking at SFR in PCB, make sure the street allows short term rentals as some streets don't. All in all, it's going to be a personal preference as to whether you buy a condo vs. home. Do you want to use the property? If so, what fits your families needs?
I will also mention that we are purchasing a 1-bedroom condo in Port St. Joe. New construction, great location and that condo complex will allow guests to bring pets. I'm not against condos, but you need to decide what's right for you.
Hope this all makes sense and helps. Let me know if you have other questions.
Thank you Debbie. That is great information. We will definitely do solid research on the reviews for Condominiums. Is that your SFR in Laguna that is fully booked out through September? That sounds like a great occupancy rate. How close is that rental to the beach?
Plus one on JJ. Plus one of her team @Napoleon DeCiutiis.
Will do. Thank you for the tip!
@January Johnson is who you want for this question!
Will do. Thank you!
Hi @Mike Downey, reach out to @January Johnson. I am also happy to answer any lending questions that you may have!
Thanks Raymond. JJ sounds highly recommended.
Hello,
I am looking to purchase an investment property in PCB that I will use for STR. I have seen a lot of mixed reviews on whether to go CONDO or SFR. I spoke with a realtor in the area and he is saying that a CONDO will have better cash flow due to occupancy rates. I am looking for a place $700k and under. I can get a condo on the beach or a SFR several blocks from the beach from what I am seeing. Does anyone have any SFR in this area that can validate occupancy rates on STR? The realtor is telling me that even for a CONDO I should not plan more than 60% and that if I get a SFR north of HWY 98, it will be closer to 20% occupancy rate.
@Mike, if you look at the current occupancy rates for PCB through Air DNA, they are at 64%. I would also take those numbers with a grain of salt b/c Vacasa and Soleil/Walmart Management Companies will skew those numbers, so as someone who solely sells STRs, I disagree with the estimates you were given. I have clients right now with 70% occupancy rates. With proper targeting and self management you can do that. The Short Term Shop will help you excel in both of those areas.
North of 98 is the Death Zone for STR, with the exception of a few spots closer to 30a/Inlet Beach.
Between @January Johnson and myself, we can answer any questions that you may have. Good luck! Let us know if you'd like any help and keep us updated on the forum with your progress!
Thanks for the guidance Napoleon. It's great to hear from people with skin in the STR game. How do you feel about SFR vs CONDO for STR in Panama City Beach area? Will one produce higher cash flow? From my research and using my budget, it appears that I will be able to charge more for SFR but will have less occupancy and vice versa for a CONDO, so it is difficult to determine which asset will be the most profitable.
I'd recommend reaching out to Caleb Drake with the Five Pillars Team.
Love the "north of 98 is the death zone for STR"! We had a realtor pretty much tell us the same thing. Unfortunately, everything south of 98 in PCB is usually a condo or townhouse but usually they are a short ride or walk to the beach, which does makes them book quicker. Beware that most condos are non-warrantable, so be prepared for that if you choose to go the condo route.
Love the "north of 98 is the death zone for STR"! We had a realtor pretty much tell us the same thing. Unfortunately, everything south of 98 in PCB is usually a condo or townhouse but usually they are a short ride or walk to the beach, which does makes them book quicker. Beware that most condos are non-warrantable, so be prepared for that if you choose to go the condo route.
Hey Sarah,
Is the major downside to "non-warrantable" that lenders do not want to finance, so it will be difficult getting a loan? I am not very familiar with this concept. Thank you.
One thing to look out for with condos vs. SFR is how much of the guest experience you can control. Do a lot of research to make sure there aren't problems with the building / building management before choosing a condo. Things like condos charging extra guest fees, raising hoa fees for owners, poor building maintenance, etc. can all impact your STR cash flows
Love the "north of 98 is the death zone for STR"! We had a realtor pretty much tell us the same thing. Unfortunately, everything south of 98 in PCB is usually a condo or townhouse but usually they are a short ride or walk to the beach, which does makes them book quicker. Beware that most condos are non-warrantable, so be prepared for that if you choose to go the condo route.
Hey Sarah,
Is the major downside to "non-warrantable" that lenders do not want to finance, so it will be difficult getting a loan? I am not very familiar with this concept. Thank you.
@Steve Lovelace is a rock start STR property manager in PCB, he would be a great resource and could give some great pointers.
Hello,
I am looking to purchase an investment property in PCB that I will use for STR. I have seen a lot of mixed reviews on whether to go CONDO or SFR. I spoke with a realtor in the area and he is saying that a CONDO will have better cash flow due to occupancy rates. I am looking for a place $700k and under. I can get a condo on the beach or a SFR several blocks from the beach from what I am seeing. Does anyone have any SFR in this area that can validate occupancy rates on STR? The realtor is telling me that even for a CONDO I should not plan more than 60% and that if I get a SFR north of HWY 98, it will be closer to 20% occupancy rate.
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Hello,
I am looking to purchase an investment property in PCB that I will use for STR. I have seen a lot of mixed reviews on whether to go CONDO or SFR. I spoke with a realtor in the area and he is saying that a CONDO will have better cash flow due to occupancy rates. I am looking for a place $700k and under. I can get a condo on the beach or a SFR several blocks from the beach from what I am seeing. Does anyone have any SFR in this area that can validate occupancy rates on STR? The realtor is telling me that even for a CONDO I should not plan more than 60% and that if I get a SFR north of HWY 98, it will be closer to 20% occupancy rate.
@Mike, if you look at the current occupancy rates for PCB through Air DNA, they are at 64%. I would also take those numbers with a grain of salt b/c Vacasa and Soleil/Walmart Management Companies will skew those numbers, so as someone who solely sells STRs, I disagree with the estimates you were given. I have clients right now with 70% occupancy rates. With proper targeting and self management you can do that. The Short Term Shop will help you excel in both of those areas.
North of 98 is the Death Zone for STR, with the exception of a few spots closer to 30a/Inlet Beach.
Between @January Johnson and myself, we can answer any questions that you may have. Good luck! Let us know if you'd like any help and keep us updated on the forum with your progress!
Thanks for the guidance Napoleon. It's great to hear from people with skin in the STR game. How do you feel about SFR vs CONDO for STR in Panama City Beach area? Will one produce higher cash flow? From my research and using my budget, it appears that I will be able to charge more for SFR but will have less occupancy and vice versa for a CONDO, so it is difficult to determine which asset will be the most profitable.
There is a market for both condos and SFRs here in PCB. What do YOU want and where do your NUMBERS work the best for your situation? As far as cash flow- that is on the location/your diligence and drive/size of property in bedrooms....
If you use your STRs, do you like drinking a coffee looking at white sand and clear water or do you want to go out on your deck away from the beach for a second and not riding an elevator?
Another thing to consider is insurance is destroying the SFR market for investors, if the home is older than 2001. If you are considering a SFR, then you should be getting insurance quotes for that specific address (from a local broker- national companies are twice the price) to work into your numbers. Condos are covered by their HOA fees for insurance, and you'll only have to insure your contents. THat being said, there are still plenty of SFRs on the beach for sale that will meet numbers- you just have to put in the work to find them.
I hope that answers your question!
Hello,
I am looking to purchase an investment property in PCB that I will use for STR. I have seen a lot of mixed reviews on whether to go CONDO or SFR. I spoke with a realtor in the area and he is saying that a CONDO will have better cash flow due to occupancy rates. I am looking for a place $700k and under. I can get a condo on the beach or a SFR several blocks from the beach from what I am seeing. Does anyone have any SFR in this area that can validate occupancy rates on STR? The realtor is telling me that even for a CONDO I should not plan more than 60% and that if I get a SFR north of HWY 98, it will be closer to 20% occupancy rate.
@Mike, if you look at the current occupancy rates for PCB through Air DNA, they are at 64%. I would also take those numbers with a grain of salt b/c Vacasa and Soleil/Walmart Management Companies will skew those numbers, so as someone who solely sells STRs, I disagree with the estimates you were given. I have clients right now with 70% occupancy rates. With proper targeting and self management you can do that. The Short Term Shop will help you excel in both of those areas.
North of 98 is the Death Zone for STR, with the exception of a few spots closer to 30a/Inlet Beach.
Between @January Johnson and myself, we can answer any questions that you may have. Good luck! Let us know if you'd like any help and keep us updated on the forum with your progress!
Thanks for the guidance Napoleon. It's great to hear from people with skin in the STR game. How do you feel about SFR vs CONDO for STR in Panama City Beach area? Will one produce higher cash flow? From my research and using my budget, it appears that I will be able to charge more for SFR but will have less occupancy and vice versa for a CONDO, so it is difficult to determine which asset will be the most profitable.
@Mike Downey To get an accurate insurance quote, you're going to need a current (within the last 3 years, I think) 4-point inspection and a wind mitigation report (so you can know what kind of fasteners the roof has). If the current seller will share those, great. If not, you're going to have to wait until you are under contract and have your own inspections done.
I am a Realtor in the area, my husband and I own a SFR in Laguna Beach, and we owned and operated a vacation rental company along 30A and the west end of PCB for about 10 years (Sold the company last year). That being said, there are some differences in SFR and Condos.
In general, figure 24-26 weeks per year for rentals. Northside of 98 won't rent short term. Too far to the beach. There is way to much competition. Ideally you want to be less then 1/3 of a mile to the beach. Ideally around 1/4.
Keep in mind that you can't be all things to all people. Those wanting to be beach front, a home won't do. Those that don't want to deal with elevators and want their own space, a condo won't do. Regarding condos, definitely get onto VRBO.com and read reviews. Some complain that they had to wait 30 minutes to get an elevator, other complexes are fine. The larger the condo, the higher the association fees. There are now new laws in place, due to the collapse of the south Florida condo building, regarding the reserves the condo needs to have and getting maintenance completed. Make sure to ask if there are any special assessments.
For a SFR, the 'trifecta' for rentals is, pet friendly (dogs only), fenced yard and private heated pool. When we had our company, about half of the rentals were pet friendly. It is very hard for people to find 'nice' pet friendly homes. Condos do not allow guests to bring pets, only owners. Our rental is not a large home, 3/2 plus bunks (sleeps 8) and about 1,100 SF. Huge backyard, screened porch and updated. We are completely booked from now till early Sept and then about 3 weeks in the fall.
When looking at SFR in PCB, make sure the street allows short term rentals as some streets don't. All in all, it's going to be a personal preference as to whether you buy a condo vs. home. Do you want to use the property? If so, what fits your families needs?
I will also mention that we are purchasing a 1-bedroom condo in Port St. Joe. New construction, great location and that condo complex will allow guests to bring pets. I'm not against condos, but you need to decide what's right for you.
Hope this all makes sense and helps. Let me know if you have other questions.
Thank you Debbie. That is great information. We will definitely do solid research on the reviews for Condominiums. Is that your SFR in Laguna that is fully booked out through September? That sounds like a great occupancy rate. How close is that rental to the beach?
Yes, it's our personal rental. We have a management company handling the rentals as when we sold our company, my Husband didn't want to deal with it :-). He gives them his thoughts on pricing as well. Earlier this year he had them reduce the rates as they had them too high.
The home is about 6 homes from the beach. Here's a link: Leo's Hideaway
Love the "north of 98 is the death zone for STR"! We had a realtor pretty much tell us the same thing. Unfortunately, everything south of 98 in PCB is usually a condo or townhouse but usually they are a short ride or walk to the beach, which does makes them book quicker. Beware that most condos are non-warrantable, so be prepared for that if you choose to go the condo route.
Hey Sarah,
Is the major downside to "non-warrantable" that lenders do not want to finance, so it will be difficult getting a loan? I am not very familiar with this concept. Thank you.
Most condos in our area are non-warrantable. Basically, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (Gov't entities) aren't buying the loans so the banks have to keep them in-house...which is called a portfolio loan. Not all banks will do condo loans. And interest rates are higher then SFR.
@Mike Downey I think the first question you should ask Mr. DeCiutiis is how in the world he manages to earn a $12,500 monthly cash flow on his $900K primary residence and $3,500 a month on the $350,000 home his wife and kids live in as noted in the public DEALS section of his BP profile. If he can answer that one, then maybe ask a second question...
; )
I am a Realtor in the area, my husband and I own a SFR in Laguna Beach, and we owned and operated a vacation rental company along 30A and the west end of PCB for about 10 years (Sold the company last year). That being said, there are some differences in SFR and Condos.
In general, figure 24-26 weeks per year for rentals. Northside of 98 won't rent short term. Too far to the beach. There is way to much competition. Ideally you want to be less then 1/3 of a mile to the beach. Ideally around 1/4.
Keep in mind that you can't be all things to all people. Those wanting to be beach front, a home won't do. Those that don't want to deal with elevators and want their own space, a condo won't do. Regarding condos, definitely get onto VRBO.com and read reviews. Some complain that they had to wait 30 minutes to get an elevator, other complexes are fine. The larger the condo, the higher the association fees. There are now new laws in place, due to the collapse of the south Florida condo building, regarding the reserves the condo needs to have and getting maintenance completed. Make sure to ask if there are any special assessments.
For a SFR, the 'trifecta' for rentals is, pet friendly (dogs only), fenced yard and private heated pool. When we had our company, about half of the rentals were pet friendly. It is very hard for people to find 'nice' pet friendly homes. Condos do not allow guests to bring pets, only owners. Our rental is not a large home, 3/2 plus bunks (sleeps 8) and about 1,100 SF. Huge backyard, screened porch and updated. We are completely booked from now till early Sept and then about 3 weeks in the fall.
When looking at SFR in PCB, make sure the street allows short term rentals as some streets don't. All in all, it's going to be a personal preference as to whether you buy a condo vs. home. Do you want to use the property? If so, what fits your families needs?
I will also mention that we are purchasing a 1-bedroom condo in Port St. Joe. New construction, great location and that condo complex will allow guests to bring pets. I'm not against condos, but you need to decide what's right for you.
Hope this all makes sense and helps. Let me know if you have other questions.
Thank you Debbie. That is great information. We will definitely do solid research on the reviews for Condominiums. Is that your SFR in Laguna that is fully booked out through September? That sounds like a great occupancy rate. How close is that rental to the beach?
Yes, it's our personal rental. We have a management company handling the rentals as when we sold our company, my Husband didn't want to deal with it :-). He gives them his thoughts on pricing as well. Earlier this year he had them reduce the rates as they had them too high.
The home is about 6 homes from the beach. Here's a link: Leo's Hideaway
Thank you Debbie!