Help needed! STR permit in Tobyhanna Township, Poconos

Help needed! STR permit in Tobyhanna Township, Poconos

Investor · NJ · Member since 2023 · 32 posts · 12 votes

Hello Everyone,

I'm hoping to get some advice on obtaining a short-term rental (STR) permit in Tobyhanna Township. I recently applied and submitted all the required documents. Everything seemed good until the township requested proof of a recent septic system pump-out.

I contacted a septic company, and they recommended doing an STR inspection alongside the pumping. While the township didn't initially ask for this inspection, they advised it "better to do" when I called to check. So, I paid $650 for both the pumping and inspection.

Unfortunately, the inspection revealed an undersized septic system (500 gallons) – they recommend a system larger than 1,000 gallons. Since the township didn't request the spetic inspection, I asked the septic company for a receipt only for the pumping. However, they provided a receipt with these concerning observations.

Now, the township wants additional information about the drain field's working condition. I contacted the same septic company again, but they're asking for an additional $800 to locate and report on the drain field's condition.

- How can I navigate this situation and get the permit approved?

- Has anyone else in Tobyhanna recently obtained an STR permit? If so, what was your experience with the septic system inspection?

- With talks of a cap on STR permits, I need to act fast. Any advice on how to proceed efficiently?

Thanks in advance for your insights!

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Michael BaumPro Member
Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
2y

Hey @Ravi Ramu. Well it sounds you will be on the hook for a septic upgrade.

Has the township told you, you need to upgrade the tank or do they only want the drainfield inspection?

In the end you are going to have to comply. Pay the $800 and get the drainfield inspected and then apply.

If they haven't told you to upgrade the tank, then don't upgrade the tank. It is recommended by the septic company, not the township telling you to do it.

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  • Michael BaumPro Member
    Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    2y

    Hey @Ravi Ramu. Well it sounds you will be on the hook for a septic upgrade.

    Has the township told you, you need to upgrade the tank or do they only want the drainfield inspection?

    In the end you are going to have to comply. Pay the $800 and get the drainfield inspected and then apply.

    If they haven't told you to upgrade the tank, then don't upgrade the tank. It is recommended by the septic company, not the township telling you to do it.

  • Mike GrudzienPro Member
    Lender · Eugene, OR · Member since 2019 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2y

    I was trying to think of a reply that started with: "Septic issues?  No sh*t!"  But this is as far as I got.  But, as usual, I defer to the wisdom of Michael Baum.

  • Investor · NJ · Member since 2023 · 32 posts · 12 votes
    2y

    @Michael Baum  I included a septic report with my application, which shows the system is undersized. However, the township only requested a drainfield inspection at this time, not a septic tank upgrade. I'll proceed with the drainfield inspection as they requested. Thank you for your advice.

  • Sarah KensingerPro Member
    Real Estate Consultant · OH · Member since 2023 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2y

    Unfortunately, a can of worms was opened when things were taken further then what the township originally wanted. You could try calling around to other septic companies and see if the $800 is comparable. But if you want a STR you'll need to jump through the hoops the township is requiring or sell and purchase a different property.

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 543 posts · 716 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Ravi Ramu:

    Hello Everyone,

    I'm hoping to get some advice on obtaining a short-term rental (STR) permit in Tobyhanna Township. I recently applied and submitted all the required documents. Everything seemed good until the township requested proof of a recent septic system pump-out.

    I contacted a septic company, and they recommended doing an STR inspection alongside the pumping. While the township didn't initially ask for this inspection, they advised it "better to do" when I called to check. So, I paid $650 for both the pumping and inspection.

    Unfortunately, the inspection revealed an undersized septic system (500 gallons) – they recommend a system larger than 1,000 gallons. Since the township didn't request the spetic inspection, I asked the septic company for a receipt only for the pumping. However, they provided a receipt with these concerning observations.

    Now, the township wants additional information about the drain field's working condition. I contacted the same septic company again, but they're asking for an additional $800 to locate and report on the drain field's condition.

    - How can I navigate this situation and get the permit approved?

    - Has anyone else in Tobyhanna recently obtained an STR permit? If so, what was your experience with the septic system inspection?

    - With talks of a cap on STR permits, I need to act fast. Any advice on how to proceed efficiently?

    Thanks in advance for your insights!

     Unfortunately I think this only scratches the surface of your problems. Most houses in the Poconos don’t even have Memorial Day weekend booked, which is typically a huge weekend and typically books up well in advance. This summer’s gonna be a rough one in the Poconos. Better hurry up and get your permit so your house can sit vacant all summer 🙈🙈

    Everyone’s selling right now to escape the Poconos market - houses are flooding the listings bc no one’s making any money. So I’m guessing you got your house cheap. But a low purchase price sadly won’t matter if the house barely rents at all unfortunately

  • Member since 2020 · 34 posts · 15 votes
    2y

    Hey Ravi, I’m in tobyhanna township too.  Did you ever get your permit?  What ended up happening ultimately with the septic with the township? 

  • Real Estate Agent · Stroudsburg · Member since 2022 · 15 posts · 9 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Tina Chau:

    Hey Ravi, I’m in tobyhanna township too.  Did you ever get your permit?  What ended up happening ultimately with the septic with the township? 

    Hey Ravi, I’m in Tobyhanna Township too and have exposure w/ similar septic issues for STR permitting. It can be tricky navigating this process, especially with the township’s requirements. If you’re still working through it, I’m happy to share what I’ve learned—feel free to reach out!
  • Investor · NJ · Member since 2023 · 32 posts · 12 votes
    2y

    Unfortunately, I'm still waiting for a permit from the township to replace my oversaturated drainfield. I've contracted with Allstate Septic for the replacement. Due to the urgent situation, I have no choice but to proceed with the septic work in order to obtain the necessary permit

  • Collin HaysBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Gatlinburg, TN · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    2y

    I would make nice with the township septic official. Take him to Hooters and tell him the drinks are on you. When he gets plastered, see if he will sign off on your situation.

    Joking, though only half so. I spent a lot of time schmoozing folks when I was rebuilding a house in Gatlinburg.  A couple of Cuban cigars over a scotch can go a long way.

  • Real Estate Agent · Poconos, PA · Member since 2021 · 59 posts · 57 votes
    1y

    Good news about the cap, it was rescinded (March 17,2025). Bad news on the Septic, you should upgrade, or you will be limited in your occupancy. The 500 gallons might mean you can only have 2 bedrooms as legal STR, equating to 6 person occupancy. If you need to upgrade the system, you might want to go beyond the current bedroom count so that someday in the future you can add an additional bedroom. As you might know, STR permits define occupancy based on the septic system size, so pay a few thousand bucks today and bump your occupancy by several people may have a strong ROI for years to come.

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