Is Radon Gas inspection necessary in TN

Is Radon Gas inspection necessary in TN

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Hello All, I have been looking for short term rentals near Pegeon Forge TN and I have been reading that Radon gas inspection is recommended..State of TN says that radon gas is dangerous and one should test it but not mandatory.  Wondering if anyone has done this?  Any good recommendations?  My realtor never said anything abt it but sent me a doc to sign and there is a clause asking me to say if I want to do this inspection or not.

2nd I see homes that says 3 bedroom but the county health dept says the septic is only for 2 bedrooms..cannot understand why they use bedrooms va a bathroom..anyway have folks come across this issue when buying and what did you do?

Please advise

Thanks

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Luke CarlPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Tennessee Florida · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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Originally posted by @Narmada Ramesh:

Hello All, I have been looking for short term rentals near Pegeon Forge TN and I have been reading that Radon gas inspection is recommended..State of TN says that radon gas is dangerous and one should test it but not mandatory.  Wondering if anyone has done this?  Any good recommendations?  My realtor never said anything abt it but sent me a doc to sign and there is a clause asking me to say if I want to do this inspection or not.

2nd I see homes that says 3 bedroom but the county health dept says the septic is only for 2 bedrooms..cannot understand why they use bedrooms va a bathroom..anyway have folks come across this issue when buying and what did you do?

Please advise

Thanks

 Your real estate agent should be able to give you solid answers on both of these questions but here goes.... 

25 doors in Tennessee and I've never gotten a radon test. It's a bit of a racket. BUT you should get one just in case so it's not on me ;) 

As for the septic.... OP Question Number 1... It's nation wide standard to qualify septics by BEDROOMS which if you think about it makes sense. You can have a one bedroom house with 12 bathrooms, you're still only going to have 2 people crapping and showering in those 12 bathrooms and washing their clothes in that laundry room. You can have a 12 bedroom house with one bathroom.... You still need 12 bedrooms worth of field line to handle all that flushing from the one toilet from those say 24 people. More people = more water = more work for the field line.  

It's VERY common to see properties around here with undersized septics. There were no inspections in Sevier county until 2008-2010 somewhere in there. In the early 2000s we had a big boom in building. Builders would go to the county to get a septic permit. County would give them say 2 bedroom permit. Builder would build say a 3 bedroom house knowing the county would never come back to inspect. 

There are situations where I would not buy a house based on the septic being undersized... such as, if the septic file says "No Reserve." This basically means if the field line fails you'll need to dig it up and replace it where it is currently. Much more expensive and time consuming the the alternative of shutting down the current field line, leaving it where it sits, and putting in new field line elsewhere on your property. ** NOTE unless you have an earthquake the septic tank is self should last until the end of time it's just a big tank made of concrete. It's when the solids escape the thank that the field line can start to have issues.

IN generally a slightly undersized septic is no big deal, in fact I own two of them and never even think about it. Don't forget to get your septic tank pumped and inspected after closing and every few years after that. It's very easy and inexpensive to keep a septic system healthy. 

Hopefully the picture below will help explain a bit. 

**NOTE there are different types of field line. Dome systems are most commonly used today. In the late 80's 90's they were using gravel-less pipe. 
***NOTE: Field Line and Drain Field are the same thing just different names. 

Good luck! 

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  • Luke CarlPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Tennessee Florida · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Narmada Ramesh:

    Hello All, I have been looking for short term rentals near Pegeon Forge TN and I have been reading that Radon gas inspection is recommended..State of TN says that radon gas is dangerous and one should test it but not mandatory.  Wondering if anyone has done this?  Any good recommendations?  My realtor never said anything abt it but sent me a doc to sign and there is a clause asking me to say if I want to do this inspection or not.

    2nd I see homes that says 3 bedroom but the county health dept says the septic is only for 2 bedrooms..cannot understand why they use bedrooms va a bathroom..anyway have folks come across this issue when buying and what did you do?

    Please advise

    Thanks

     Your real estate agent should be able to give you solid answers on both of these questions but here goes.... 

    25 doors in Tennessee and I've never gotten a radon test. It's a bit of a racket. BUT you should get one just in case so it's not on me ;) 

    As for the septic.... OP Question Number 1... It's nation wide standard to qualify septics by BEDROOMS which if you think about it makes sense. You can have a one bedroom house with 12 bathrooms, you're still only going to have 2 people crapping and showering in those 12 bathrooms and washing their clothes in that laundry room. You can have a 12 bedroom house with one bathroom.... You still need 12 bedrooms worth of field line to handle all that flushing from the one toilet from those say 24 people. More people = more water = more work for the field line.  

    It's VERY common to see properties around here with undersized septics. There were no inspections in Sevier county until 2008-2010 somewhere in there. In the early 2000s we had a big boom in building. Builders would go to the county to get a septic permit. County would give them say 2 bedroom permit. Builder would build say a 3 bedroom house knowing the county would never come back to inspect. 

    There are situations where I would not buy a house based on the septic being undersized... such as, if the septic file says "No Reserve." This basically means if the field line fails you'll need to dig it up and replace it where it is currently. Much more expensive and time consuming the the alternative of shutting down the current field line, leaving it where it sits, and putting in new field line elsewhere on your property. ** NOTE unless you have an earthquake the septic tank is self should last until the end of time it's just a big tank made of concrete. It's when the solids escape the thank that the field line can start to have issues.

    IN generally a slightly undersized septic is no big deal, in fact I own two of them and never even think about it. Don't forget to get your septic tank pumped and inspected after closing and every few years after that. It's very easy and inexpensive to keep a septic system healthy. 

    Hopefully the picture below will help explain a bit. 

    **NOTE there are different types of field line. Dome systems are most commonly used today. In the late 80's 90's they were using gravel-less pipe. 
    ***NOTE: Field Line and Drain Field are the same thing just different names. 

    Good luck! 

  • Michael BaumPro Member
    Olympia, WA · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    6y

    Thanks @Luke Carl that was a great explanation. 

  • Luke CarlPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Tennessee Florida · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    6y

    @Michael Baum oddly it seems to be the posts I spend the most time on and that are the most helpful that get very little response. Never even heard from the OP!

    I think it’s a matter of TLDR lol.

  • Saint Joseph, MO · Member since 2018 · 401 posts · 244 votes
    6y

    @Lucas Carl sometimes you still gotta hold class when only one student shows up. Lol.

  • Contractor · OH (ohio) · Member since 2019 · 3 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Narmada Ramesh if it’s a short term rental you could probably skip the radon, also testing can run around $200-300 while a mitigation system is around &1000-1500. So if you’re in a high radon part of the country it might be a good idea to just get a mitigation system and skip the testing. If you decide to get long term tenants or move in yourself, remember radon is the 2nd leading cause of lung cancer right behind cigarettes!

  • Real Estate Agent · Southington, CT · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    6y

    Although not in TN the question of whether or not to get a radon test comes up from my clients on nearly every home inspection.  For piece of mind purposes I always recommend getting it, especially if it is something you don’t fully understand. Not worth being nervous about. 

    If you ask an experienced inspector though they should be able to tell you areas where radon is more/less prevalent.  A lot of them will even be able to drill down to certain neighborhoods, etc. 

  • Member since 2020 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    @Lucas Carl I apologize for the delay. I posted from my wife’s account and didn’t check responses until she mentioned to be about it now. My bad. I do really appreciate the detailed response. Definitely not TLDR- I really appreciated the background info. We put in an offer on a cabin and this is our first time and it’s all so overwhelming. Thanks much again!!!

    Ram

  • Member since 2020 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    @Michael Noto

    Thanks Michael. The cabin we are looking at is in Sky Harbor. I will ask the inspector what he thinks.

  • Member since 2020 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    @Brian Ontko

    It would be a short term rental. After reading all the posts here in STR, we are jumping into that bandwagon. 😱

    Ram

  • Member since 2020 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    @Lucas Carl 25 doors in TN? Wow. You are indeed Superman!

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