Newbie from Chicago

Newbie from Chicago

Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 14 posts · 4 votes

Hi all,

My name is Mike and I live in the Mayfair area of Chicago. So I've been lurking this site for a few weeks now, drowning myself in content. I have used the search function as much as I can to get answers to my questions and regretfully find myself to be another newbie who has no funds to start investing but am intrigued by wholesaling as a means to get them (I will get into this more later). I have also read tons of blogs, listened to several podcasts and attended my first REIA meeting last week. While it has all been super informative, I am hitting information overload and am still unsure of when all is said and done. I am hoping this first post will help get me over the first of many humps I'm sure. I am absolutely looking for guidance/direction and also to network and hopeful meet some local BP members here in Chicago in the near future.

Here is a brief rundown of what I am looking to accomplish, where I am thinking I should start and why. My ultimate goal is to one day own enough rental properties to cover all of my expenses so I can quit my job and live off the rental income. I have a number in mind right now but realize that may change at some point, but it's a start. Admittedly, I'm a bit nervous about having my first deal be a rental as I'm intimidated with being landlord because a) I don't have any experience, and more importantly b) because I don't have adequate funds to feel comfortable in the event that I needed to deal with any of the numerous crazy things that can happen with a tenant. I'd like to understand the game better, if you will, before I get there. To me, the two most feasible paths to get there are wholesaling or doing a fix and flip. With that said, I am really having a hard time developing my criteria and it feels very arbitrary to me because I don't know how to analyze anything. I spoke with a guy that wholesales at the REIA meeting I attended last week and he told me to find an aspiring area and the surrounding areas for a B neighborhood. I searched to better understand that grading scale but am admittedly still unsure. To help me out on my search for a farm area, I did purchase J Scott's flipping and estimating book and am reading through that to try to understand market analysis a bit better (haven't got to the rehab estimation section yet). I've also bookmarked multiple websites suggested throughout these forums (i.e. neighborhoodscout.com, census.gov, usa.com, listsource.com, etc.) and have utilized Redfin, Zillow, Realtor, you name it, to try and search demographics, get comps on sold houses and just make sense of all the data but it's not clicking. I don't really know what I'm looking for and wouldn't recognize a trend if it smacked me in the face. I continue to find myself struggling to actually develop a criteria that doesn't seem completely arbitrary. Am I overcomplicating this or missing something? Anyone else start off this way? Where am I going wrong? Any help or suggestions are appreciated.

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Crystal SmithPro Member
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Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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@Mike Doubek You're suffering from analysis paralysis.  This business isn't easy, but it's not rocket science.   Find a mentor or 2 or 3 to learn from.  As I break down your question:

  • If you're going to wholesale it's not about your criteria, it's about the criteria of your potential customers. Ask your potential customers what they are looking for & where.  As in any business when you understand your customers criteria you can then work on a plan to meet or exceed their expectations.  
  • While you're learning what your customer wants, use your backyard as a farm area to practice finding "motivated sellers".  
  • See if you can get an investor friendly General Contractor to allow you to tag along as he's estimating the cost of a job.  With that said, every GC's bid is wrong, but at least you'll know more than you know now.  
  • Market Analysis/Comparables- Become an assistant to an appraiser, or an investor friendly realtor or a successful investor.  They live & breath this stuff everyday. 
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  • Investor · Fort Wayne, IN · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 515 votes
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    @Mike Doubek Welcome to BP let me know if you need advice or guidance. This is a fun industry while it can be complex at times dont over-complicate wholesaling. 

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    Audio Engineer and Investor · Cebu City, Cebu · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 881 votes
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    Hey @Mike Doubek welcome to the site! 

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  • Specialist · Rockland, MA · Member since 2010 · 7k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    @Mike Doubek 

    Welcome, remember this is a marathon not a sprint. When you finish J Scott's books things will be clearer.

    Download BP’s newest book here some good due diligence in Chapter 10. Real Estate Rewind Starting over

    http://www.biggerpockets.com/files/user/brandonatbp/file/real-estate-rewind-a-biggerpockets-community-book

    Good luck

    Paul

  • Crystal SmithPro Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Mike Doubek You're suffering from analysis paralysis.  This business isn't easy, but it's not rocket science.   Find a mentor or 2 or 3 to learn from.  As I break down your question:

    • If you're going to wholesale it's not about your criteria, it's about the criteria of your potential customers. Ask your potential customers what they are looking for & where.  As in any business when you understand your customers criteria you can then work on a plan to meet or exceed their expectations.  
    • While you're learning what your customer wants, use your backyard as a farm area to practice finding "motivated sellers".  
    • See if you can get an investor friendly General Contractor to allow you to tag along as he's estimating the cost of a job.  With that said, every GC's bid is wrong, but at least you'll know more than you know now.  
    • Market Analysis/Comparables- Become an assistant to an appraiser, or an investor friendly realtor or a successful investor.  They live & breath this stuff everyday. 
  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
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    @Mike Doubek welcome to the site.

    I would not over think things too much.

    Look to your local neighborhood. Get a sense what homes are selling and renting for. Your in an area that you should not have a hard time finding a house that cash flows.

    Buy yourself a nice rental in a neighborhood you feel comfortable with. Don't try to swing for the fences and go for some value ad play. Just get a nice conservative rental and let your tenant pay your mortgage.

  • Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 14 posts · 4 votes
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    @Paul Timmins I have a decent idea of what rents go for around my area, the demographic and what types of real estate are popular here but feel everything is a bit out of my reach financially.  I am still analyzing the area to be more certain of those things along with identifying potential financing options in the event that something does turn up.

    I appreciate everyone taking there time to respond and help me out here.  I did try to see if there were any Chicago BP type of meetups but most of the responses were older and I didn't see about anything that met regularly.  Is there such a group on here that I may have glanced over?

  • Crystal SmithPro Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Mike Doubek  This link will take you to some local investment clus. Illinois Real Estate Investment Clubs.  Also hook up w/ @Brie Schmidt .  She runs a monthly Chicago meetup.

  • Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 14 posts · 4 votes
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    @Crystal Smith Thanks for the links Crystal and I will reach out to her about that.

  • Real Estate Investor · Waukegan, IL · Member since 2013 · 367 posts · 80 votes
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    @Mike Doubek  Welcome!  There is a Chicago Meetup.  You actually just missed this months (it was Tuesday).  They are held each month.  Search for Chicago Meetup or reach out to @Brie Schmidt  She is one of the hosts of the meetup.

    I'm learning too, but I would suggest you figure out what you want to do (you mentioned wholesale and fix and flip), research the one you decide on and talk to everyone you can. Follow the suggestions of others as stated above.  Stay glued to this site and ask questions.  Then ask more questions.  But at some point, you need to make a move.  Don't fell like you have to learn everything.  Just my $0.02.  Great group of people here.  Well wishes.

  • Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 14 posts · 4 votes
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    @Arthur Banks You're absolutely right.  I need and want to make a move soon and while I feel like I need to know a little bit more before I jump, I have asked myself the question "how much more information do you need?".  I appreciate the reminder.  I have spent the bulk of my time learning about wholesaling so that is probably the best route for me to go for now.  

  • Investor · Chicagoland, IL · Member since 2013 · 44 posts · 9 votes
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    Mike, 

    welcome to the RE.  don't think you are have to do or learn "everything" at the same time.

    Break into smaller pieces you don' t have to know or understand every details.  Go back and read JScott's book 6 month later you'll discover something new.   

    You may have read enough, go out and network there are numbers of REI club/meetup.

    may I suggest write you goal down ;-) this way if want to modify you can see progress you made.

  • Real Estate Investor · Waukegan, IL · Member since 2013 · 367 posts · 80 votes
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    @Mike Doubek I have to remind myself of that sometimes "Just move already! How many more times can you read the same thing that you already know?"  I read yesterday in a post. "It's a marathon, not a race." Get out there, find some deals, come back and ask if the deal makes sense, make some offers, make some mistakes, learn from them and push on.  At least that's my philosophy.   

    P.S. I meant Don't FEEL like you have to learn... not Don't FELL like...  LOL!

  • Rental Property Investor · Manteno, IL · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    btw: I think @Brie Schmidt is one of the main organizers of a BP monthly meetup in the Chicago area. I would definitely recommend that you connect with her and see if its something you're interested in. Great way to network.

    Too far for me to drive (I hate going downtown) or I'd definitely try to make the meetings myself.

  • Brie SchmidtBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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    @Mike Doubek We meet on the 3rd Tuesday from 6:30 - 9:30 in the Norwood Park neighborhood of Chicago - would love to have you at the next one

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Welcome to BP.

    One thing you can do is fix-n-rent then refinance to get your original money back. Then you get to do it all over again.

    You can literally buy 100 houses and all you need is $20,000.

    I will post it here in my weekly real estate business updates here on Biggerpockets. Click below:

    The Real Life of a Real Estate Investor

  • Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 14 posts · 4 votes
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    @Brie Schmidt Thanks and I'm looking forward to meeting everyone!

    @Wendell De Guzman I've heard of that strategy and like it, I just need to raise the capital up first.  I actually already follow your thread and have got a lot out of it.  I will continue to read up to learn more.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Chicago, IL · Member since 2013 · 319 posts · 153 votes
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    Welcome to the BP Community @Mike Doubek 

  • Real Estate Consultant · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 720 posts · 439 votes
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    @Mike Doubek the easiest way to get started is to buy a 3-4 flat in Mayfair or any neighborhood close to the area you know, move in a unit and rent the rest. This way you'll save money, as your tenants would pay most of the mortgages and expenses and learn to deal with tenants!

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