North Carolina Newbie - Seeking Advice

North Carolina Newbie - Seeking Advice

Carrboro, NC · Member since 2016 · 5 posts · 1 vote

Hi all! New to both BP and RE. I'm from Raleigh, NC and am currently in self-education mode (lots of books, podcasts, and mentor seeking), but planning to explore my first deal soon. 

I have a full-time job with a marketing technology company in the area, but have a strong interest in pursuing RE investing as a future additional stream of income. Freedom is the real reason I seek true financial independence, and I'm willing to work for it. 

I plan to start with a single-family buy-and-hold rental. My goal is to own five cash-flowing properties in the next five years. I then want to expand to multi-family and potentially commercial investments, scaling from there. 

I'm looking for advice on analyzing my first deal. 

How does one accurately estimate expenses to ensure positive cash flow? Are expenses primarily estimated from gathering info from the seller combined with my personal discoveries of the property? Is there a comprehensive list of expenses to consider to ensure I don't miss anything (taxes, insurance, fixes, etc...) when calculating rent to charge? 

Open to any/all guidance here. Thanks in advance!

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Specialist · Rockland, MA · Member since 2010 · 7k+ posts · 2k+ votes
10y

@Charles Murray

A quick rule of thumb is expenses should be 35% of gross income.

Go to IREM.org search for ARM certified property managers. Call 5 ask them what they see expenses running per category per unit. What do they see them selling for per unit, what is the market occupancy rate. What are the market rents? Ask them if they know anything coming up for sale. Great way to pick up some good info and possibly a deal.

You can also search NARPM.org for the RMP (Residential Management Professional) and MPM (Master Property Manager) certified.

Paul

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  • Apex, NC · Member since 2015 · 46 posts · 14 votes
    10y

    Hi Charles, welcome to Bigger Pockets! I am local to the Raleigh area as well, hoping to get into rentals myself. 

    There is a ton of great information on this site about estimating expenses, but here are a few items you'll probably want to account for in addition to the mortgage/financing costs:

    • Property taxes
    • Insurance
    • Vacancy factor
    • Repairs
    • Capital expenditures (major repairs)
    • Property management
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    Residential Real Estate Broker · Wilmington, NC · Member since 2016 · 46 posts · 18 votes
    10y

    You also need to consider the market --- Rent-O-Meter can help you find out what others in your area are charging

  • Real Estate Broker · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2015 · 24 posts · 12 votes
    10y
    Welcome to BP. As others have mentioned, there are several factors to consider when determining rental rates but unfortunately those factors have very little to do with the actual rental rate. The market and unit finishes will dictate the rental rate. If you find a deal that looks promising on paper, I would recommend speaking with a property Mgmt company to get a pulse on what the average rental rates are in that area. I have been in property Mgmt for the past 12 years in the Raleigh/Triangle area and would be happy to help answer any rental questions you may have.
  • Durham, NC · Member since 2016 · 22 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    Hi @Charles Murray! I'm in the RTP area and also a newbie. Just wanted to say, "hey!" Welcome!

  • Carrboro, NC · Member since 2016 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    Thanks for the great input, @Alex Corvin and @Rachel De Faut! I will be sure to check out other posts on expense estimating as well as Rent-O-Meter. 

  • Investor · High Point, NC · Member since 2016 · 53 posts · 22 votes
    10y

    Hey...Charles.

    I have 2 properties and renovating the 3rd.  Lots of questions and areas for you to sit down and brainstorm...put it on paper to help narrow your focus/questions.

    Zillow, rentometer, etc helps with rental rates.

    you're not going to hardly rent a property for more than the area brings...but you can certainly rent or less

    Are you looking at A, B, or C properties (the initial investment amount compared to the return changes)  but then so does the risk

    My properties are all in Winston; C properties, but I have paid 20k and less for each.  But in the past 3 years I have had 1.5 month of vacancy between the two properties. 

    How involved will you be...you need to know the condition of your properties and if you don't use a property management firm then the tenants should know that you mean business (it's not personal)

    Age, brand, and maintenance history of HVAC, water heater, roof, gutters, windows can be larger expenses you should really appreciate when purchasing

    Using a GOOD realtor will help you a lot  in learning what to look for.

    When analyzing the deal... what are you looking for (turn key properties ...not usually much of a DEAL, but can cut out a lot of time=money)....rehab projects would require another post...but check out the tax card (building value, land value), annual taxes, recent sales ( you may see a trend of purchases/sales), Zillow ( comparisons of nearby properties)

    Lots of fun Charles , but proceed with caution!!  PM if you think I can help

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    Real Estate Broker · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    @Charles Murray If you want to PM me your email address, I can send you a google doc spreadsheet that another client of mine created.  You just input your different expenses for each property you are considering, and it spits out the cash flow.

    And, welcome to Bigger Pockets.  Many of us locals get together on the last Thursday of each month.  If you are interested, set up a key word alert for Raleigh.

  • Specialist · Rockland, MA · Member since 2010 · 7k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    10y

    @Charles Murray

    A quick rule of thumb is expenses should be 35% of gross income.

    Go to IREM.org search for ARM certified property managers. Call 5 ask them what they see expenses running per category per unit. What do they see them selling for per unit, what is the market occupancy rate. What are the market rents? Ask them if they know anything coming up for sale. Great way to pick up some good info and possibly a deal.

    You can also search NARPM.org for the RMP (Residential Management Professional) and MPM (Master Property Manager) certified.

    Paul

  • Bulawayo, Zimbabwe · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 253 votes
    10y

    Welcome

    Start forming your team: A real estate agent for deals, property manager for market rents/expenses,mortgage broker for financing available etc for up to date information

  • Carrboro, NC · Member since 2016 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    Thanks everyone for the advice! It is much appreciated. Following up with PMs where appropriate. 

    @Paul Timmins- That's a great tip! Will be sure to call around and ask. 

  • Hillsborough, NC · Member since 2014 · 39 posts · 3 votes
    10y

    Hi Charles, Welcome to BP, so many great resources available. Good luck on your REI journey.

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