Huntsville Alabama Path of Progress

Huntsville Alabama Path of Progress

Lender · Milpitas, CA · Member since 2016 · 376 posts · 248 votes

Good Morning Everyone,

I'm interested in purchasing property in the Huntsville Metro. The area looks safe and rent/price ratio is fantastic. Does anyone know where the path of progress is heading in Huntsville and who the major employers are? Are there plans for more jobs/growth in the area?

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Madison, AL · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 21 votes
8y

Added a large number of local places and their relevance to the map.

@Gorden Lopes Hey, that data center may indeed be headed into that area but I assure you that 100 jobs are not going to turn around that neighborhood, plus Toyota Mazda is so far away it is likely to have no bearing on it for this community versus other opportunities like the other nearby Toyota plant. The two largest problem areas in Huntsville proper are where Memorial Parkway and I-565 meet, and 35810. This is where the vast majority of SFH with lower class neighborhoods exist, and where you can find duplexes if you have your heart set on them, plenty of rehabs, Cummings Research park largely acts as the dividing line between this working class area and Madison where so many engineers live. That being said everyone here seems to be chiming in about the future as to what will happen but I would rather point towards the past.

Huntsville has never come out from under it's desegregation order the courts put onto it's school system, which it has tried to escape for decades. Why is this so difficult? It's being a victim of your own success, the downtown and 35810 areas are the old sections of town, but not historical like 5 points. Each section of the old building booms are there. Every time that a new school would be built you would have white flight away from the previous boom, leaving only African Americans in the old school zone, and then property prices and quality of life take a hit. To be blunt they can't build the schools fast enough to accommodate the desegregation order before the whites flee again. With that you should keep in mind that even though Huntsville does well (because it is so driven to expand geographically, it is actually the largest in the state by square mileage of city limits and only getting bigger and encircles Madison) that this does not mean your area will continue to. Literally every area before almost that was prosperous and the hot new thing before passes by rather quickly since there is such a continuous building of new neighborhoods outward that attract the higher incomes. I would give areas like Madison and South Huntsville a couple more decades tops, after that the interesting places will be like the riverside community of Triana.

Fun fact! Triana is the only majority black community in Madison County, and is also where the highest levels of the poison DDT were ever recorded in humans. This was because it was downstream from the Arsenal where they manufactured it, and the locals were a fishing village. I mention this because this area has never been through the boom and bust cycle, there are only a few hundred people living there, it is prime riverfront property, in comfortable commute distance to the Arsenal, and they send their kids to the good local school system, Madison, through an agreement between the municipalities. Some might argue they expect the most growth to go either North, West, or East but my bet would be to the South and Southwest after this cycle finishes up. Triana simply has the educational credentials, distance to employment, and the area is cheap, and though the Triana locals remember the crisis from 40-50 years ago, Huntsville residents do not. 

A very, very vast majority people who live in Huntsville, are not from Huntsville originally, nor have deep familial ties here. I do, and that connection did real estate for 3 decades, and did well I add. Huntsville, is nowhere near a normal market, it is absolutely a fantastic one, and one that has been getting far more notice lately for large out of state REI's.

Some of those qualities have already been mentioned but to be blunt again the economy is not only driven by Government spending, but is also in continuous growth due to it. We haven't felt real pain from a recession since the 1970's when the Moon Mission finished up. That is the nature of the beast, it seems like it is perpetually expanding until the rug gets pulled out from under you. Same as anywhere but it's much more seldom and hits far harder when it occurs. This may be lessened now however, I base that off of the fact that Huntsville has diversified a bit now as not just a cog in the military industrial complex but also an industrial and tech center in it's own right, and just over the past year we had over 300% tech job growth.

The dynamic you have at play with the constantly shifting population is a strong reason why I advocate to people that while Madison is certainly doing well now, it only really started to do so with a combination of BRAC and the creation of their own well funded school system 2-3 decades ago. Lately what I've noticed is crime rates growing up as well in Madison, a lack of investment in expanding roads, a decision to build a costly stadium instead of addressing the cost of their breakneck pace of population growth. In Huntsville traffic is a breeze compared to any nearby major metro area, Atlanta, Memphis, Birmingham, Nashville, you name it. But in Madison that quality vanishes in rush hour, but of course this is true too for places like Harvest or Hazel Green as well. 

Final weird note is the environment, Huntsville lies in the middle of what is known as Dixie Alley, the only place in the word with more tornadoes than Tornado Alley, the most recent example of what kind of extent it can be was in 2011 when the city was shut down for a week straight with no utilities. They seem to occur every decade or so, the previous really big ones being in 1989 and 1974. Beyond that Huntsville lies in what's called the Tennessee Valley, and in this area of it the Native Americans named it Death Valley due to springtime when the pollen gets trapped within it and coats absolutely everything, lakes turn yellow, and so do cars. People move here never having had allergies and develop them. 

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  • Napa, CA · Member since 2017 · 57 posts · 27 votes
    8y

    @Brian Reynolds thanks for the map.  I've heard on other posts that SE Huntsville is a good area, but not sure what defines the SE area.  

  • Fix & Flip / Buy & Hold / Wholesaler · Toledo, OH · Member since 2016 · 99 posts · 33 votes
    8y

    Thanks for the Map as well!  I looked at the Trulia Crime Map.  Seems like there isn't a ton of crime in Huntsville?  Or is there cross streets (ie a rectangle Area) that we should avoid?

  • Orange, CA · Member since 2014 · 15 posts · 7 votes
    8y

    @Kirk Shaffer Does your group have a meeting location, I'm local to you and would like to meet with folks investing out of state.  I am very interested in the Huntsville, Alabama market.

  • Realtor · Huntsville, AL · Member since 2015 · 60 posts · 51 votes
    8y

    @Account Closed SE HSV is good - zip codes 35801, 35802 & 35803.  That will pick up SW HSV too and most (not all) of it is good too - imho.

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 210 posts · 155 votes
    8y

    @Brandon Foster Check out this thread

  • Property Manager · Huntsville, AL · Member since 2015 · 251 posts · 129 votes
    8y

    @Greg Spring, there are a few different one, MCREIA is a big one but if you go on meetup's website there are a bunch of other ones that people host locally and advertise times and locations through meetup

    @Account Closed, people are usually referring to 35803 and some or all of 35802 as SE Hsv, 35801 in more central (downtown/medical district), 35805 is SW, 35816 is west and sits on the north side of 35805, 35810 and 35811 are north (west and east respectively), "The Parkway" or 231 is the east west dividing line

  • Franklin, TN · Member since 2017 · 19 posts · 7 votes
    8y

    @Zachary C. Thank-you and @Brian Reynolds for the map. My wife and I live in Franklin, TN and have been scouring the Huntsville Market for a rental property to purchase near UAH...its definitely a sellers market 0-5 mins off campus.

  • Huntsville, AL · Member since 2017 · 44 posts · 31 votes
    8y
    FYI https://realestate.usnews.com/real-estate/slideshows/25-best-places-to-live-in-the-us?slide=20
  • Napa, CA · Member since 2017 · 57 posts · 27 votes
    8y

    @Zachary C. - thank you - great info.  Are 35805, 16,10, and 11 zips you also consider good for investors, or are you just distinguishing them geographically from 03, 02, and 01?  

  • Napa, CA · Member since 2017 · 57 posts · 27 votes
    8y

    @John White - thank you for the info - are there other areas of Huntsville you'd recommend for OOS or are those the primary locations?  

  • Property Manager · Huntsville, AL · Member since 2015 · 251 posts · 129 votes
    8y

    @Account Closed, I was just trying to separate stuff geographically and give a lay of the land. People can refer to the same area a few different ways so I figured that might be useful if you start talking with local investors, agents, etc. Almost any of the areas can be good for investing; depending on your strategy.

  • Realtor · Laguna Niguel, CA · Member since 2018 · 31 posts · 12 votes
    8y
    Hi All, Just closed on my first rental investment in Huntsville 35802, and have an opportunity to pick up another one in 35805. Anyone have any knowledge of the neighborhood with the street name Hal St NW? It’s between I-565 and Homes St near Triana, in Huntsville. Any insight would be much appreciated! Thank you.
  • Rental Property Investor · Honolulu, HAWAII (HI) · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y

    @Account Closed

    Interested in what you are learning there. Its a big engineering clientel there so just don't over improve because engineers are too practical.

  • Rental Property Investor · Honolulu, HAWAII (HI) · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y

    @Lena Wang I'm buying in huntsville too. Are you there now?

  • Wholesaler · Huntsville, AL · Member since 2016 · 26 posts · 5 votes
    8y

    The 35810 zip code is on fire for rentals right now 

  • Investor · north Idaho · Member since 2017 · 24 posts · 8 votes
    8y

    I'm looking in Huntsville too. I've been talking to folks at ROI Turnkey. Does anyone have experience with them? Can anyone recommend local realtor that works with investors? contractor? property management team?

    I'd like to fly out and check things out in the next month or so. Any advice is appreciated. :) I'm looking for buy & hold with cash flow. Not picky about whether that's SFR or MF.

  • Huntsville AL · Member since 2017 · 4 posts · 1 vote
    8y

    Going out to Huntsville in late June early July, would love to connect. Looking near the Madison area and UAH for multi family. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Huntsville, AL · Member since 2018 · 14 posts · 9 votes
    8y

    Greetings,

    I have relocated here about a year and started researching about investment property and there is a lot of potential here. I am still new but I have some recommended areas if you are still looking. I have looked near Alabama A&M as well and there are a lot of housing being flipped in that area for great rentals ($45K-70K) but not something for major retail for the markets. There is an area called "Five Points" and it's a historical/downtown area and a lot of construction is going on in there but more of the mid-high end historical area. I have been found a lot of FSBO (For Sale By Owners) signs and called them up and I plan on closing in a few weeks on one. I have been doing the driving for dollars and you will be surprise what's available. The market is booming right now here. Hope this helps and again I am still learning the investment and will start my first flip in a few weeks.

  • Huntsville, AL · Member since 2016 · 8 posts · 19 votes
    8y

    I'm a Huntsville native, born and raised. There's been some exciting changes to Huntsville in the past 5 years or so and much bigger plans for the future. If you have any questions about the city or it's neighbor, Madison, feel free to hit me up. I could use all the networking I can get : ) 

  • Rental Property Investor · Fremont, CA · Member since 2016 · 300 posts · 222 votes
    8y
    Hi @Austen

    Really great to see local Huntsville folks active and being so forth coming about sharing their knowledge.
    Welcome and would love to stay in touch with you.
    I am currently looking to buy my second buy and hold property in Huntsville. Would love to exchange notes.

     Originally posted by @Austen Howell:

    I'm a Huntsville native, born and raised. There's been some exciting changes to Huntsville in the past 5 years or so and much bigger plans for the future. If you have any questions about the city or it's neighbor, Madison, feel free to hit me up. I could use all the networking I can get : ) 

  • Rental Property Investor · Fremont, CA · Member since 2016 · 300 posts · 222 votes
    8y

    Another great news, facebook datacenter coming to Huntsville with 100 jobs and 750Mil investment.

    https://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/06/facebook...

    This is going to heat up the market even more! :)

  • Huntsville, AL · Member since 2016 · 8 posts · 19 votes
    8y

    @Gorden Lopes You beat me to the punch! I was about to mention that. :) This attention to Huntsville will more than likely attract other large companies to invest in my home town. 

  • Investor · Hartselle, AL · Member since 2017 · 11 posts · 8 votes
    8y

    Gorden and Austen beat me too the datacenter announcement. It only brings 100 jobs, so it isn't a big deal. I'm surprised that nobody mentioned the FBI HQ headed to the arsenal. ( I skimmed so I might be incorrect)  It should be bringing at least 5k jobs, in addition to the 4k that the new automotive plant is bringing. There's also another datacenter bringing jobs, and it isn't under facebooks fake DC name to hide the news. If I had to throw EARLY money somewhere in the Huntsvegas metro, it would be Madison, and more specifically between wall Triana, and Zierdt roads. This area south of 565 is the site for the new minor league baseball stadium, along with a shopping district. Convenient for all the new nerds (I am one).

  • Huntsville, AL · Member since 2016 · 8 posts · 19 votes
    8y

    @Ian Covington Yah the FBI deal is huge. I think the 5k jobs may have been inflated, but who knows. The TEDAC building consolidated over two dozen intelligence agencies revolving around IEDs. I might not be able to say how I know this, but I've heard from a very reliable source, that they're moving dirt within the FBI compound where the TEDAC building is located. Also there are rumors of quite a few more buildings to go up.

  • Rental Property Investor · Fremont, CA · Member since 2016 · 300 posts · 222 votes
    8y

    Amazon announced that it is opening a fulfillment center in Birmingham Al. It looks like Alabama is coming onto the radar of lot of big companies. Just get a feeling that there is going to be more companies and jobs coming to these two cities! 

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