Benefits of “Subject to” and Insurance

Benefits of “Subject to” and Insurance

Attorney · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2019 · 12 posts · 13 votes

This post pertains to purchasing property “subject to” an existing mortgage. Investors seem to have strong opinions about the legality of this type of purchase. However, it is not helpful for people to state their unsubstantiated opinion that such a purchase is illegal. Making another investor feel stupid or dishonest has a chilling effect. The purpose of this forum is to share ideas and encourage camaraderie.

The legality of a “subject to” purchase depends upon state law. However, the law is not static and subject to interpretation. On more than one occasion, I have been surprised by a court’s interpretation of a seemingly clear statute or case. Moreover, it is not uncommon to have a split in authority among appellate courts in the same state.

If you want to know how to get a deal done with creative financing, then contact an experienced real estate attorney in the state where the property is located. There are ways to structure deals that accomplish your financing goals and comply with state law. As an investor, I have paid thousands of dollars to real estate attorneys to help me structure deals in their states.

I find there are many benefits to purchasing property "subject to" the existing mortgage. It allows me to leverage my IRA investments, does not require an invasive review of my finances for loan qualification and does not appear on my credit report. My goal is always to pay the mortgage thereby improving the sellers' credit rating. However, I cannot predict the future and managing risk is an important consideration for a real estate investor.

First, I have never had a lender enforce the due on sale clause. Enforcement of a due on sale clause is a right and not an obligation. Second, as a purchaser of defaulted mortgages, I have never enforced a due on sale clause. When a local investor brings my loan current, I am thrilled. I recently had a borrower pay $37,000 to come current on a defaulted mortgage a few days before the foreclosure auction. I checked title and the property had been sold to Lazy Day LLC in Texas. The investor kept the mortgage current for a few months did a beautiful rehab and paid off the loan. A win-win for both of us.

Now, for the real reason that I wrote this post. Insurance. I agree that an insurance policy in the seller’s name does not protect the “subject to” buyer. The policy protects the lender but it no longer protects the seller because the seller sold the property and does not have an insurable interest. Since the policy no longer protects the seller, I cannot be added as an additional insured or loss payee.

My solution is to buy insurance to cover my interest in the property. In Florida, Citizens Property Insurance will insure the buyer’s interest in the property. Yes, this requires me to pay for two policies. I have to keep the seller’s policy in force because it protects the lender. But I need the new policy to protect me.

Citizens is an admitted carrier and will write the policy in an individual's name in Florida. It will not write a policy for an LLC but will write a policy for an individual trustee and name the LLC (beneficiary) as an additional insured. If you want the LLC to own the policy directly, then Lloyds will write the policy. On a $180,000 house, Citizens quoted me $1,600 for an individual (trustee) policy and Lloyds quoted $2,300 for my LLC.

I’m not giving anyone legal advice. Only sharing information.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Clarkston, GA · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Hi Patricia,  I agree with yoiu and do sub-to myself.  I also like helping folks through a proper closing and post closing setting the property up to be easy to manage; the loan and the new insturance policy.

    PM me I have a training doc I can email you that is very detailed with doc examples.

    #1 you need a POA (power of attorney) from the seller for you to manage the current home owners insurance policy. First thing after closing you'll close / cancel this policy AFTER you change the mailing address to be your PO box. The refund check will be mailed to you but payee is the seller. Your POA will allow you to deposit that check depending on the sophistication of the bank. One of my banks is dumb as a rock, then Wells Fargo a true business smarts bank saw my POA and check, poof I deposited it.

    #2 you'll buy another policy a landlord policy assuming you'll rent this property, BUT the trick is the original seller MUST be listed first, then the bank as ALTMA then you or your entity.  The bank will always want to see the seller as an interested party on the insurance.

    #3 you'll need a 2nd POA for managing the loan. Send in the POA to the lender naming you as the new manager of this loan. Then change the mailing address, then setup auto pay. You can't seteup auto pay with the POA naming you as the manager. I wouldn't trust using "bill pay" putting the account number on the memo, but in theory this could work but its a bad idea to close sub-tos without these POAs.

    There's more but this is the important parts and answers your question.

    Call around for landlord policy they won't care about the trust etc.   Something is up with the folks you called for insurance!!!  I use nreig.com for all my rentals, a blanket policy type landlord carrier.  American Family for their $2M std liability is another choice.   BTW to drop the premium costs you may have to switch to Stated Value / ACV vs replacement value method of setting valuation which drives policy premium.   Go with 80% of the replacement value value as a start for stated value coverage.  Also up deductables.   Stay at 3% deductable, banks won't allow deductable over 3% what ever number deductable 3% works out to or next level down per the carrier.

    PM me for anything more...

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