Congratulations! You Gentrify: Displacing a Community

Congratulations! You Gentrify: Displacing a Community

Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2017 · 184 posts · 204 votes

This question is one I pose to anyone who has an opinion on the topic. 

Obviously we're all here because we like something about the idea of REI and passive income. As the process goes, we find a "good deal" in some area, maybe make an improvement or 2 to the "deal", and if all goes well, we sit back watch the fruits of our labor grow through rental income, increased property value or equity. Now, multiply this by 100... 100 of us have found 100 deals, made 100 improvements, and raised 100 property values.

Boom. We just gentrified an area. A community that used to live there can no longer afford to be where they've grown up because there were a lot of good "deals" for investors to take advantage of and help our families and bolster our investment portfolio. 

Granted, we may not have intentionally displaced a community, but collectively, we do. We just saw an opportunity and took advantage. 

The question(s) I pose: 

  1. Do you think gentrification is an issue?
  2. Do any of you ever struggle with the reality that we collectively price people out of their communities? 
  3. Do you ever think of it that way? 
  4. Do you ever feel bad about contributing to the gentrification of communities? 
  5. What are the alternatives?

This is just a philosophy question and some things that I think of, not pointing fingers or trying to be accusatory, or maybe I am. Just wanting to get a conversation started! 

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Rental Property Investor · Fort Collins, CO · Member since 2015 · 128 posts · 327 votes
7y

"Gentrification" is not wrong.

A neighborhood is either desirable or expensive or undesirable and inexpensive. It can move in either direction for a variety of reasons. 

Maybe a community loses its industry and there are no more jobs, so prices go down, but it's still a bad place to live because there are no jobs and no future. Maybe hot new industries come to town and the opposite happens.

Maybe crime goes up, and people who can afford to leave move away. Maybe crime goes down, and people who used to avoid the neighborhood start moving in.

The list goes on and on.

Suppose we have a low-cost area that is in reasonable commuting distance from high-paying jobs. Why is it low-cost if it's so well-located? The obvious answers include crime and dilapidation. There are two ways things can go from here: The conditions improve and the prices go up, or the conditions stay lousy and the prices stay low. The "anti-gentrification" crowd tells you that price increases are immoral, but are they really ok with crime-ridden slums? Of course not. They promote magical thinking - the idea that we can get rid of crime and fix up the buildings without increasing the prices, even though the only reason that the prices were low was the conditions!

All of this without even mentioning that everyone who OWNs in a "gentrifying" neighborhood wins the appreciation lottery.

Shorter commutes are more green. It's better for society as a whole if the people working the high-paying jobs live near them. People doing little to no work don't have any particular reason to prefer one area to another, nor should we pander to them. The idea that you are more entitled to live in a particular area if you "started out there" has terrible implications and quickly becomes oppressive. 

Finally, of course, the elephant in the room is identity politics. Most ant-gentrification rhetoric usually stems from toxic identity politics. People who get very angry when Identity Group A is displaced by Identity Group B don't care one whit when the opposite happens somewhere else. At best, such people are consistent in supporting the displacement of "richer" people by "poorer" people, or at least those they imagine to be so, while opposing the displacement of "poorer" by "richer." But adding emotional rhetoric doesn't change the facts above.

There is no good reason to keep crime in place, to keep dilapidation un-remedied, or to maintain filthy hovels when better alternatives are available. 

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  • Lititz, PA · Member since 2013 · 595 posts · 272 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Joe M.:
    Originally posted by @William Coet:
    Originally posted by @Joe M.:
    Originally posted by @William Coet:
    Originally posted by @Jennifer Bryant:

    I live in Washington, DC. I used to work at a community organization that helped tenants organize to purchase their building and convert them to Limited Equity Housing Cooperatives (DC has the Tenant Opportunity to Purchase Act, TOPA, that gives tenants the first right to purchase when buildings are listed for sale). 

    Anyway, one day we went to door knock at a building in Brookland to let tenants know their rights. Almost every person that came to the door was a senior citizen or a child. It's a bigger issue than re-skilling people to get better jobs and being adaptable. Senior citizens and children make up a significant portion of the country's rising homelessness population and they are at the whims of the market. As someone else mentioned, it's a larger issue than real estate investing - it's a societal issue and an issue of the nature of capitalism. 

    Lastly, people lament identity politics but race and class matter in a society where the playing field has never been level. The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America by Richard Rothstein is a great book about how the housing market is not neutral. 

     You refer to historical problems, however there are currently racist laws that disciminate and disadvantage people based on the color of their skin.   These are laws and policies that are written and exist today.  I was raised to believe that all racism is bad, yet there are currently racist laws and policies in the US.

     Despite these racist policies, Asian and Indian Asians earn more than any ethnic group in the US.  I think this speaks to their cultural desire and ability to improve their lives.

     Which laws?

    Asians are required to have higher scores to get into universities, and this is why Harvard is being sued.  Some people, based on their race and gender are required to perform better on tests when applying for jobs as firefighters and police officers.   These are racist laws and policies.

     *those arent laws

    State police candidates are required to have different written exam scores based on their race and gender.  I'm guessing you are suggesting this is a policy and not a law?  In that case we can say they are racist policies supported by the government

  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @William Coet:

    State police candidates are required to have different written exam scores based on their race and gender.  I'm guessing you are suggesting this is a policy and not a law?  In that case we can say they are racist policies supported by the government

    I'm just guessing, but wouldn't that be for affirmative action? 

  • Investor · Willow Spring, NC · Member since 2009 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @William Coet:
    Originally posted by @Joe M.:
    Originally posted by @William Coet:
    Originally posted by @Joe M.:
    Originally posted by @William Coet:
    Originally posted by @Jennifer Bryant:

    I live in Washington, DC. I used to work at a community organization that helped tenants organize to purchase their building and convert them to Limited Equity Housing Cooperatives (DC has the Tenant Opportunity to Purchase Act, TOPA, that gives tenants the first right to purchase when buildings are listed for sale). 

    Anyway, one day we went to door knock at a building in Brookland to let tenants know their rights. Almost every person that came to the door was a senior citizen or a child. It's a bigger issue than re-skilling people to get better jobs and being adaptable. Senior citizens and children make up a significant portion of the country's rising homelessness population and they are at the whims of the market. As someone else mentioned, it's a larger issue than real estate investing - it's a societal issue and an issue of the nature of capitalism. 

    Lastly, people lament identity politics but race and class matter in a society where the playing field has never been level. The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America by Richard Rothstein is a great book about how the housing market is not neutral. 

     You refer to historical problems, however there are currently racist laws that disciminate and disadvantage people based on the color of their skin.   These are laws and policies that are written and exist today.  I was raised to believe that all racism is bad, yet there are currently racist laws and policies in the US.

     Despite these racist policies, Asian and Indian Asians earn more than any ethnic group in the US.  I think this speaks to their cultural desire and ability to improve their lives.

     Which laws?

    Asians are required to have higher scores to get into universities, and this is why Harvard is being sued.  Some people, based on their race and gender are required to perform better on tests when applying for jobs as firefighters and police officers.   These are racist laws and policies.

     *those arent laws

    State police candidates are required to have different written exam scores based on their race and gender.  I'm guessing you are suggesting this is a policy and not a law?  In that case we can say they are racist policies supported by the government

    Please post a link to state law requirements that you reference. I'd like a link to a government agency. 

    Here is a link to a PA agency that refutes the requirement you state: PA Employment Opportunities

  • Lititz, PA · Member since 2013 · 595 posts · 272 votes
    7y

    This is a group that sued Harvard for discriminating against Asian-Americans:

    https://studentsforfairadmissions.org/

    I'll try to get a link for other test requirements for state jobs.

  • Investor · Willow Spring, NC · Member since 2009 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @William Coet:

    This is a group that sued Harvard for discriminating against Asian-Americans:

    https://studentsforfairadmissions.org/

    I'll try to get a link for other test requirements for state jobs.

    Deflection. Post a link to the state law. 

  • Lititz, PA · Member since 2013 · 595 posts · 272 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Chris Martin:
    Originally posted by @William Coet:

    This is a group that sued Harvard for discriminating against Asian-Americans:

    https://studentsforfairadmissions.org/

    I'll try to get a link for other test requirements for state jobs.

    Deflection. Post a link to the state law. 

    Your link didn't disprove my statement.  I know state troopers who have told me this, I am going to try to find a link.  

  • Lititz, PA · Member since 2013 · 595 posts · 272 votes
    7y

    Just received clarification. It was the racial hiring quotas that were being referred to.  People with higher test scores than others can be prevented from getting a job because of their race.  

    A quick search shows a large number of these policies.  This is discrimination based on race.

  • Real Estate Agent · Miami, FL · Member since 2010 · 71 posts · 31 votes
    7y

    There is a single component that is missing in this conversation. What is the solution ? It is education and specifically financial literacy. Why is it that certain communities never experience gentrification while others are continually on the receiving end? It starts by understanding that we have to reinvest money back into our communities in order for them to continue to thrive and ride the wave of the bull markets while not being the most impacted by economic downturns. That being said I think that the identity of those participating in the “gentrification” process is changing rapidly. This is certainly a start in the right direction. Ok maybe that was a bit esoteric but oh well !!

  • Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Evan Parker:

    This question is one I pose to anyone who has an opinion on the topic. 

    Obviously we're all here because we like something about the idea of REI and passive income. As the process goes, we find a "good deal" in some area, maybe make an improvement or 2 to the "deal", and if all goes well, we sit back watch the fruits of our labor grow through rental income, increased property value or equity. Now, multiply this by 100... 100 of us have found 100 deals, made 100 improvements, and raised 100 property values.

    Boom. We just gentrified an area. A community that used to live there can no longer afford to be where they've grown up because there were a lot of good "deals" for investors to take advantage of and help our families and bolster our investment portfolio. 

    Granted, we may not have intentionally displaced a community, but collectively, we do. We just saw an opportunity and took advantage. 

    The question(s) I pose: 

    1. Do you think gentrification is an issue?
    2. Do any of you ever struggle with the reality that we collectively price people out of their communities? 
    3. Do you ever think of it that way? 
    4. Do you ever feel bad about contributing to the gentrification of communities? 
    5. What are the alternatives?

    This is just a philosophy question and some things that I think of, not pointing fingers or trying to be accusatory, or maybe I am. Just wanting to get a conversation started! 

    8 pages of replies - I did not read through (I usually do).

    A great question. I live in Milwaukee and this is not a problem, why? We have plenty of low priced areas and if a block or two gets redone and priced-out, there are plenty of alternatives. If anything, we need all the gentrification we can get.

    But I have given all this a lot of thought and what bothers me are the investors who come in and do cosmetic repairs only, then make a profit from that. I see this as a loss to the community and harmful to lower-income residents.

    As an alternative, I have been trying to do what I call "Value Builds". This is where I come in and fix all the major and long term issues rather than the cosmetic. So, I will go in and fix the wiring and plumbing, maybe remedy a design/layout issue, and then go cheap on the cosmetic/easily replaceable components, or even skip them as I can. While these builds do not appear as "pretty", by fixing the underlying problems, they hold their value better and are a better deal to the buyer in the long-run. The "paint and pay me" properties look great for about a year, then return to being a crap-hole in short order, losing their value once again.

    This is my small way of trying to make a few bucks and help out the neighborhood at the same time. A little more difficult to market and sell the idea, but the smart shoppers see the value. 

  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    7y

    Right on @Account Closed!!! Gentrification is a good thing for a sub 50k neighborhood! If you can aford 1200 in rent, you can get a 200k mortgage and own a solid home.

    Love the term "Paint & Pay me" - it's not a valuable contribution to society, it's just making money of circumstances and people.

  • Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Marcus Auerbach:

    Right on @Account Closed!!! Gentrification is a good thing for a sub 50k neighborhood! If you can aford 1200 in rent, you can get a 200k mortgage and own a solid home.

    Love the term "Paint & Pay me" - it's not a valuable contribution to society, it's just making money of circumstances and people.

    So true, once a person can afford a bit more, these issues go away. What about those who cannot afford a $200k home, but can afford lets say a $75k to $100k home? Credit is readily available for that market. Plenty of solid, but lower income people could pull it off. Unfortunately, this is an in-between space where an investors most profitable play is to paint only, as the cost of a full rehab is too much and those dollars added up in many neighborhoods would price out the investors (meaning the market would not support the total cost). So, they (investors) find a decent deal, paint it, and sell it on the high end. Problem is, it returns to the low end as soon as the paint goes bad, meanwhile the major components that were never addressed are a few years older, and that lower-income buyer is stuck with a bad value, when they are the segment of the population that can afford a bad deal the least.

    So, what I have been working on is targeting the $75k ARV price-point, except fixing the major stuff and skimping on the cosmetic stuff. The idea is that once the underlying components are repaired, it is very easy and relatively less expensive to replace top-layer components (cabinets, flooring, fixtures, paint, etc.) LOL - No, I have not actually pulled one off yet in the exact fashion I speak of, but have been forming my game plan and hope to do my first one this fall. I was sort of hoping you would like the idea and maybe help me sell them!?!? I was thinking a minimum $5k commission for the realtors to split. My part will be getting the banks/appraisers to see the value.

    As far as marketing, I would hope to sell them to locals in need of a good value. However, I can also see how an out-of-market investor could be interested too. And again, the great part there, is they would not make all the rehab mistakes many seem to make, because I've already put the property on the right path. Win win.

  • Lititz, PA · Member since 2013 · 595 posts · 272 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:
    Originally posted by @Marcus Auerbach:

    Right on @Account Closed!!! Gentrification is a good thing for a sub 50k neighborhood! If you can aford 1200 in rent, you can get a 200k mortgage and own a solid home.

    Love the term "Paint & Pay me" - it's not a valuable contribution to society, it's just making money of circumstances and people.

    So true, once a person can afford a bit more, these issues go away. What about those who cannot afford a $200k home, but can afford lets say a $75k to $100k home? Credit is readily available for that market. Plenty of solid, but lower income people could pull it off. Unfortunately, this is an in-between space where an investors most profitable play is to paint only, as the cost of a full rehab is too much and those dollars added up in many neighborhoods would price out the investors (meaning the market would not support the total cost). So, they (investors) find a decent deal, paint it, and sell it on the high end. Problem is, it returns to the low end as soon as the paint goes bad, meanwhile the major components that were never addressed are a few years older, and that lower-income buyer is stuck with a bad value, when they are the segment of the population that can afford a bad deal the least.

    So, what I have been working on is targeting the $75k ARV price-point, except fixing the major stuff and skimping on the cosmetic stuff. The idea is that once the underlying components are repaired, it is very easy and relatively less expensive to replace top-layer components (cabinets, flooring, fixtures, paint, etc.) LOL - No, I have not actually pulled one off yet in the exact fashion I speak of, but have been forming my game plan and hope to do my first one this fall. I was sort of hoping you would like the idea and maybe help me sell them!?!? I was thinking a minimum $5k commission for the realtors to split. My part will be getting the banks/appraisers to see the value.

    As far as marketing, I would hope to sell them to locals in need of a good value. However, I can also see how an out-of-market investor could be interested too. And again, the great part there, is they would not make all the rehab mistakes many seem to make, because I've already put the property on the right path. Win win.

    You are correct that the big expense items are nice for a new homeowner to not worry about, but the majority of people want pretty.  If it's not pretty, it will certainly be a more difficult sell.

  • Realtor · Boston, MA · Member since 2019 · 244 posts · 275 votes
    7y

    Somehow I missed this thread when it came out, but I'm glad I did since it gave me the chance to read 8 pages of discussion. 

    I take issue with the wording of the original set of questions. Seems like a "push poll" to me. But I will do my best.

    1: No, I think gentrification is a symptom of larger issues. People react against "gentrification" and try to stop it but the real problem is economic inequality. Rising prices that displace low-income people from their neighborhoods (which is really what people are worried about when they express concerns about gentrification) wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have such a chasm between low and high income people.

    2. No. For the most part, we're following the trend, not setting it. There are exceptions. Wynwood Walls in Miami is one example of developers actively seeking to change a neighborhood for to raise housing prices and push out residents. But those exceptions are few and far between. Generally neighborhoods that are gentrifying are doing so because they were originally great places to live that fell on hard times and now people have once again begun to recognize them as great places to live.

    3. No, for the reasons stated above.

    4. No, because to date I live in the community I invest in. I am grappling with how to ethically invest in communities with better ROI, but I'm not sure there is a solution for the individual small investor. If my choice is to stop investing and keep working my W2 forever or keep investing and risk playing a tiny role in a larger societal problem, I'm going with the latter. That said, I'm not interested in displacing residents, just giving people a decent place to live at a fair price and making an honest profit in the process.

    5. What are the alternatives? This is where the discussion has been really lacking.

    The biggest thing to realize is that our national heritage is one of wave after wave after wave of immigration and development and building and displacement and resettlement. Our entire post-colonial history is one of mobility and displacement and constant, unending change. In particular, this change really took off at the beginning of the industrial revolution/end of the American Revolution. The last 200ish years have been unrelenting in the pace and scale of change.

    Why does this history matter? Because it places the changes we're going through now in context. People who have lived in a neighborhood since some date in the 60s often complain about being "pushed out," but the truth is that just one or two generations ago they were the ones doing the pushing.  

    My neighborhood in Roxbury, Mass (part of Boston) is a good example. Since ~1776, no two generations of people have experienced Roxbury in the same way. 

    I could write a book about the changes, but the important thing is to understand that they happened, they are constant, and there is a regular interval to them.

    So part of the answer to question 5 is to recognize that change is constant and that it cuts both ways. The neighborhood your parents moved into when they were of child-bearing age is almost never the same by the time you are of child-bearing age. Educating people on this constant cyclical change is probably a big part of defusing some of the tensions around the gentrification discussion.

    The next thing to cover is that gentrification (aka displacement caused by changing economics) is caused by supply and demand. The places where it is worst are the places where those 2 are the most out of balance. And those places tend to be the places where good liberal thinkers (I count myself in that group) have tried to control the free market - usually with the best of intentions - and placed all kinds of restrictions on building new housing. This worked out OK in the 70s and 80s when demand was low, but now that demand is high the restrictions on supply are contributing to these extreme bubble-like prices we're seeing. 

    But the people who would most benefit from fixing the supply-demand imbalance (the existing residents) and stabilizing prices are often the ones who fight hardest to stop new supply from coming online. For some reason, housing activists are convinced that housing is not impacted by basic economic theory. They spout gibberish about developers *causing* gentrification, and rents being *controlled* by developers. If this were true, I as an investor could go buy up a few blocks of post-industrial wasteland in any one of a hundred failing cities around the country, throw in a coffee shop and a yoga studio and some concrete counters, and just start raking in the dough while simultaneously destroying the lives of the locals. For some really top notch economic analysis of restrictive housing policies making housing less affordable, look at the work of Harvard economist Ed Glasier. There's also an excellent new study out from the Mass Smart Growth Alliance that dives deep into how skewed our development restrictions are and how they are driving housing price surges as people swarm into the area in search of jobs and a high quality of life.

    The reality, of course, is that developers can do no such thing. The fundamentals of the area have to be improving before investors come in. Revitalization is a symbol that economics are improving. New housing follows the other indicators, it doesn't cause them. 

    So change is constant.

    And our housing prices are spiking most in areas where demand is high but we have put artificial caps on housing supply.

    But there's a third piece, and that gets to the real heart of the emotional response to gentrification and a lot of the clumsy conversation around race and privilege that has been happening in this thread. And that is *opportunity.*

    Time after time, there is a mismatch in the skills needed for the new employers who are driving these prices up - the expanding hospitals, the tech companies, the finance firms, even the real estate agencies and developers - and the skills offered by the people who had been living here. Rising housing prices wouldn't be a big deal if the old residents were able to get these high-paying new jobs. And while this mismatch isn't always race-based, it often is. I have neither the time nor space to delve into a history of systemic discrimination in America, but it is real and it is pervasive and it is well-documented. Anyone who cares to learn more about it is only a google search away.

    Bringing it back around to my comments about income inequality, this is the real driver behind all the sturm und drang about gentrification. It's not that people object to housing prices going up, it's that they object to not being given a chance to work at the jobs that would enable them to pay the new higher rents. They object to feeling like they always get the leftovers. 

    You can point to all the "pull yourselves up by the bootstraps" stories and "I saw a poor person who did this dumb thing" anecdotes you want, but the cold reality is that a lot of people are not participating equally in our current economic boom. And that is what is driving these very heated discussions in so many parts of the country.

    So is there a solution to the "problem of gentrification?" Yes, but it has very little to do with us. It involves figuring out a way to address the rampant income inequality in this country that is creating a handful of winners and a whole lot of losers. It involves trying to grapple with a history of unending change that many people feel overwhelmed by. And it involves addressing supply and demand issues that are often caused by well-meaning, but misinformed, citizens. Those are the real underlying causes. Gentrification is just a visible symptom.

  • Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Jason Turgeon:

    Somehow I missed this thread when it came out, but I'm glad I did since it gave me the chance to read 8 pages of discussion. 

    I take issue with the wording of the original set of questions. Seems like a "push poll" to me. But I will do my best.

    1: No, I think gentrification is a symptom of larger issues. People react against "gentrification" and try to stop it but the real problem is economic inequality. Rising prices that displace low-income people from their neighborhoods (which is really what people are worried about when they express concerns about gentrification) wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have such a chasm between low and high income people.

    2. No. For the most part, we're following the trend, not setting it. There are exceptions. Wynwood Walls in Miami is one example of developers actively seeking to change a neighborhood for to raise housing prices and push out residents. But those exceptions are few and far between. Generally neighborhoods that are gentrifying are doing so because they were originally great places to live that fell on hard times and now people have once again begun to recognize them as great places to live.

    3. No, for the reasons stated above.

    4. No, because to date I live in the community I invest in. I am grappling with how to ethically invest in communities with better ROI, but I'm not sure there is a solution for the individual small investor. If my choice is to stop investing and keep working my W2 forever or keep investing and risk playing a tiny role in a larger societal problem, I'm going with the latter. That said, I'm not interested in displacing residents, just giving people a decent place to live at a fair price and making an honest profit in the process.

    5. What are the alternatives? This is where the discussion has been really lacking.

    The biggest thing to realize is that our national heritage is one of wave after wave after wave of immigration and development and building and displacement and resettlement. Our entire post-colonial history is one of mobility and displacement and constant, unending change. In particular, this change really took off at the beginning of the industrial revolution/end of the American Revolution. The last 200ish years have been unrelenting in the pace and scale of change.

    Why does this history matter? Because it places the changes we're going through now in context. People who have lived in a neighborhood since some date in the 60s often complain about being "pushed out," but the truth is that just one or two generations ago they were the ones doing the pushing.  

    My neighborhood in Roxbury, Mass (part of Boston) is a good example. Since ~1776, no two generations of people have experienced Roxbury in the same way. 

    I could write a book about the changes, but the important thing is to understand that they happened, they are constant, and there is a regular interval to them.

    So part of the answer to question 5 is to recognize that change is constant and that it cuts both ways. The neighborhood your parents moved into when they were of child-bearing age is almost never the same by the time you are of child-bearing age. Educating people on this constant cyclical change is probably a big part of defusing some of the tensions around the gentrification discussion.

    The next thing to cover is that gentrification (aka displacement caused by changing economics) is caused by supply and demand. The places where it is worst are the places where those 2 are the most out of balance. And those places tend to be the places where good liberal thinkers (I count myself in that group) have tried to control the free market - usually with the best of intentions - and placed all kinds of restrictions on building new housing. This worked out OK in the 70s and 80s when demand was low, but now that demand is high the restrictions on supply are contributing to these extreme bubble-like prices we're seeing. 

    But the people who would most benefit from fixing the supply-demand imbalance (the existing residents) and stabilizing prices are often the ones who fight hardest to stop new supply from coming online. For some reason, housing activists are convinced that housing is not impacted by basic economic theory. They spout gibberish about developers *causing* gentrification, and rents being *controlled* by developers. If this were true, I as an investor could go buy up a few blocks of post-industrial wasteland in any one of a hundred failing cities around the country, throw in a coffee shop and a yoga studio and some concrete counters, and just start raking in the dough while simultaneously destroying the lives of the locals. For some really top notch economic analysis of restrictive housing policies making housing less affordable, look at the work of Harvard economist Ed Glasier. There's also an excellent new study out from the Mass Smart Growth Alliance that dives deep into how skewed our development restrictions are and how they are driving housing price surges as people swarm into the area in search of jobs and a high quality of life.

    The reality, of course, is that developers can do no such thing. The fundamentals of the area have to be improving before investors come in. Revitalization is a symbol that economics are improving. New housing follows the other indicators, it doesn't cause them. 

    So change is constant.

    And our housing prices are spiking most in areas where demand is high but we have put artificial caps on housing supply.

    But there's a third piece, and that gets to the real heart of the emotional response to gentrification and a lot of the clumsy conversation around race and privilege that has been happening in this thread. And that is *opportunity.*

    Time after time, there is a mismatch in the skills needed for the new employers who are driving these prices up - the expanding hospitals, the tech companies, the finance firms, even the real estate agencies and developers - and the skills offered by the people who had been living here. Rising housing prices wouldn't be a big deal if the old residents were able to get these high-paying new jobs. And while this mismatch isn't always race-based, it often is. I have neither the time nor space to delve into a history of systemic discrimination in America, but it is real and it is pervasive and it is well-documented. Anyone who cares to learn more about it is only a google search away.

    Bringing it back around to my comments about income inequality, this is the real driver behind all the sturm und drang about gentrification. It's not that people object to housing prices going up, it's that they object to not being given a chance to work at the jobs that would enable them to pay the new higher rents. They object to feeling like they always get the leftovers. 

    You can point to all the "pull yourselves up by the bootstraps" stories and "I saw a poor person who did this dumb thing" anecdotes you want, but the cold reality is that a lot of people are not participating equally in our current economic boom. And that is what is driving these very heated discussions in so many parts of the country.

    So is there a solution to the "problem of gentrification?" Yes, but it has very little to do with us. It involves figuring out a way to address the rampant income inequality in this country that is creating a handful of winners and a whole lot of losers. It involves trying to grapple with a history of unending change that many people feel overwhelmed by. And it involves addressing supply and demand issues that are often caused by well-meaning, but misinformed, citizens. Those are the real underlying causes. Gentrification is just a visible symptom.

     Bravo.

  • Rental Property Investor · Madison, WI · Member since 2013 · 629 posts · 339 votes
    7y

    Article on point in today's NY Times.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/20/business/economy/starter-homes-investors.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

  • Member since 2019 · 26 posts · 13 votes
    7y

      Ooops

  • Member since 2019 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    I think the issue of gentrification can only be assessed on a community by community basis; there are areas where communities are being torn apart and residents are being pushed out, just as there are areas where improvements have benefited long standing residents. 

    In Toronto, gentrification is generally occurring because there's a lack of affordable housing, so less desirable areas are gaining attention from first time buyers; in many cases, new businesses and amenities are being added to these neighbourhoods and therefore providing a lift to anyone who lives in the area. But of course, there will be instances where mom and pop shops are getting pushed out by higher cost of rent.

    The biggest issue with gentrification is that you don't know what the results will be until it happens; it could be a positive change or a negative one. 

    Case in point: I used to live near St. James Town, which was a fairly undesirable neighbourhood in Toronto that happened to be located near ritzy areas like Yorkville and Rosedale. I always wanted to see the neighbourhood get a lift because I thought it deserved a better reputation, and I hated the way people spoke about it. St James Town was rough, but it had character. Back when the condo boom started, you could have easily gotten a sizable 2 bedroom for under 200k in one of the older buildings in the neighbourhood; these days the neighbourhood is changing and there are shiny new towers like 120 Homewood with units selling for over half a million dollars and even some luxury townhomes with outrageous price tags... I can see that it's only a matter of time until the area is unrecognizable, and now i'm missing the old days when it was underrated.

  • Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2017 · 21 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    A good educational book on the topic is " How to Kill a City" By P.E. Moskowitz

  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    Do we have an inherent right to live a life without change? 

    Isn't that the root question that all of this hinges on? 

  • Rental Property Investor · Brooklyn, NY · Member since 2013 · 272 posts · 165 votes
    7y

    @Michaela G.

    Exactly. I always wondered why some people think they deserve to live in a world where nothing ever progresses, advances, evolves or changes for all eternity and everything should always remain exactly the same forevermore...  I can't think of a worse hell on earth.

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