NORTHEAST INVESTORS, Flooring choices in 100 year old triplex

NORTHEAST INVESTORS, Flooring choices in 100 year old triplex

Residential Real Estate Agent · Tampa, FL · Member since 2014 · 177 posts · 122 votes

Hello everyone, I am based out of Tampa florida where i own and have rehabbed several properties but I just put a triplex under contract in Rhode Island.  I'm a native  to the South Shore of Massachusetts so i'm very familiar with these old early 1900s buildings.  My question isn't really one about construction per se as much as it is about people and expectations.  This property will be getting fully gutted, it had a pipe burst on the 2nd floor and the seller has already demoed most of the property including the original hardwood floors.  It is down to the plank subfloor.   I use laminate and vinyl plank all the time here in Tampa on our concrete slab homes and it's considered a pretty standard thing.  Even higher end homes are going with it vs Engineered wood which was previously the choice for the higher end homes.  But I can't help but feel like these old early 1900s homes just seem to scream out for real hardwood which is of course very expensive?   AM i way off base here?  We are shooting for the high end of the rental market when it's done but with that said, it's not located in a super high end area (woonsocket, RI).   Much of the lath and plaster has been demoed out so fresh new drywall will be going in.  I'm sure most of the door casing and trim work is gone too so part of me feels like, if we are going down to the studs, just bring it back to new modern standards.  But there may be some opportunities to salvage old solid wood doors and other charachter elements and it seems like if thats the case hardwood is appropriate.  

What do you guys think?

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  • Realtor · Providence, RI · Member since 2022 · 404 posts · 262 votes
    3y

    Hi @David DuCille

    Congrats on your new deal. Vinyl plank is what is going in most new luxury apartment communities in the area and is more than suitable for the Woonsocket market.  As long as the selection is done right, I don't see it taking away from the character of the home at all. 

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Tampa, FL · Member since 2014 · 177 posts · 122 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Justin Hammerle:

    Hi @David DuCille

    Congrats on your new deal. Vinyl plank is what is going in most new luxury apartment communities in the area and is more than suitable for the Woonsocket market.  As long as the selection is done right, I don't see it taking away from the character of the home at all. 


     Awesome, thank you.   I'm getting a lot of friends saying "Woonsocket? It's a **** hole".  I'm from Brockton, most people also think it's a **** hole but there are plenty of great people there and good areas of town where people will pay good money for a nice place.  That is the segment of the market we are going for.  Just don't want to make any bad decisions that negatively impact the long term value of the property either.    I like vinyl plank but it can get scratched and gouged particularly by people sliding furniture and appliances on it.  

  • Investor · Member since 2022 · 36 posts · 17 votes
    3y

    @David DuCille IMO original hardwoods, refinished well, always outsell new flooring. Yet, I recommend against refinishing old hardwood floors in the winter. Installing new flooring in the winter using real hardwood will be very expensive and extra challenging given the temperature outside.

    You're not off base though. We've put Pergo engineered hardwood (hybrid laminate) through a lot and it looks fantastic in our 100 year old duplex. Pergo is a brand that offers vinyl flooring or luxury vinyl flooring (LVT) and their LVT, like most LVTs, detracts from keeping your home's original character. Our contractor showed us other homes with LVT and it looked to "new", like this was a flipped home. In my opinion you want people to feel like it's a home, not an apartment. Engineered hardwood is, on average, a little more expensive than LVT. 

    LVT does scratch easily, but engineered hardwood isn't as water resistant (there are product lines that are enhanced to address both of those issues respectively depending on the brand). My recommendation is LVT in the kitchen and areas where water could be and where you haven't already tiled/stoned. Then put engineered hardwood in living spaces and either/or in entryways. You already seem familiar with laminate so this may be stuff you already know, I'm leaving the info here for other folks in the forum.

    One thing I've learned with flooring is that the single most important factor is the person(s) installing it. You can get waterproof flooring, but if the flooring isn't leveled correctly, isn't not flush with the baseboard or baseboard trim isn't added after the fact, water will find a way. If budget necessitates, pay extra for a good installer and do 100% LVT.

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Tampa, FL · Member since 2014 · 177 posts · 122 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Ian Halter:

    @David DuCille IMO original hardwoods, refinished well, always outsell new flooring. Yet, I recommend against refinishing old hardwood floors in the winter. Installing new flooring in the winter using real hardwood will be very expensive and extra challenging given the temperature outside.

    You're not off base though. We've put Pergo engineered hardwood (hybrid laminate) through a lot and it looks fantastic in our 100 year old duplex. Pergo is a brand that offers vinyl flooring or luxury vinyl flooring (LVT) and their LVT, like most LVTs, detracts from keeping your home's original character. Our contractor showed us other homes with LVT and it looked to "new", like this was a flipped home. In my opinion you want people to feel like it's a home, not an apartment. Engineered hardwood is, on average, a little more expensive than LVT. 

    LVT does scratch easily, but engineered hardwood isn't as water resistant (there are product lines that are enhanced to address both of those issues respectively depending on the brand). My recommendation is LVT in the kitchen and areas where water could be and where you haven't already tiled/stoned. Then put engineered hardwood in living spaces and either/or in entryways. You already seem familiar with laminate so this may be stuff you already know, I'm leaving the info here for other folks in the forum.

    One thing I've learned with flooring is that the single most important factor is the person(s) installing it. You can get waterproof flooring, but if the flooring isn't leveled correctly, isn't not flush with the baseboard or baseboard trim isn't added after the fact, water will find a way. If budget necessitates, pay extra for a good installer and do 100% LVT.


     I just got to see the property with my own eyes for the first time on Sunday and due to the pipe that burst, flooring was taken out down to the subfloor.  I'm not sure of all the details because the pipe burst on the 2nd floor and the unoccupied 1st floor got damaged but not sure why they tore out the 3rd floor as well.  so yeah, we have to build back with something.  Home has a substantial dip in the rear part of the floor so some work is going to have to be done to the subfloors as well to get them flat.  May have to just tear out the 3/4 plank subfloor and sister joists to get a flat surface and then resheet with 3/4 ply.   This project could be dead in the water already, I'm not sure what my partner and his contractor were smoking when they thought this house was only a 90-100k reno.  I have it at $230k, some of that doesn't have to be addressed right away (exterior items) and some of that is contingency ($20k) and 6 months carrying costs which could come down a bit if we get it done quicker.  With that being said, the numbers still work to cash flow this property but now the question is where are we getting all the money from.  Not sure that I want to get in this deep from 1000 miles away.  

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