What are reasonable bathroom remodeling costs?

What are reasonable bathroom remodeling costs?

Homeowner · Bridgeport, PA · Member since 2017 · 7 posts · 3 votes

Hi there,

My wife and I recently bought a house in the King of Prussia area in Pennsylvania. I'm not familiar with bathroom remodel estimates and am trying to get a better sense of how much we should be anticipating spending. We want to replace two walk-in showers that currently have glass doors. 1 shower is 3.5ft by 4.5ft wide by 7.5ft tall. The second shower is 3.0ft by 4.5ft wide by 7.5ft tall. We had one remodeler come out to give us an estimate to redo the two showers. 

They said they would: 

1)take out the old tiles around the shower walls, 

2)replace the floor shower tiles which are currently uneven and result in water pooling in the corners, 

3) and replace the damp drywall behind the tiles on the walls, waterproofing it, and treating any mold before reinstalling high quality acrylic tile boards instead of tiling

We would like them to also add an exhaust to the bathroom that will vent out to the roof but they said they can't do that since they are not licensed in that area. Currently there is no exhaust, so no pre-existing vents to the roof. Also, the house has a flat roof and no attic. Not sure if not having an attic makes it more complex.

They said they offer a lifetime warrantee backed by their company and supported by Good Housekeeping. The quote for two showers was $36k all in (labor and materials), which seems like a lot for two showers (not full bathroom remodels), but I'm not familiar with remodeling costs in general. They said the first bathroom shower space dimensions aren't standard so they require creating a more customized base as well as customized wall acrlyic boards. There definitely is moisture behind the walls. The remodeler pulled out his moisture meter which read 64% on the walls around the shower. The prior owners of the house that had done the bathrooms did the grouting poorly and didn't use the right caulking so it's causing a lot of the tiles to get a little loose. How much can I expect to pay on average per shower (labor and materials combined) in general? Is this price a reasonable price. It's the first quote I've gotten, so it's hard to make out if it's reasonable or not. And how long does a project like this typically take. The remodeler described above mentioned it's a 5-7 day job. This seems fast. 

Appreciate any advice or insight. Thanks

Brad


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Bruce WoodruffPro Member
Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
3y

$36k....? Hell no! That is insane unless you're going with all high-end fixtures and tile, new vanities w granite counters, etc... I would say $5k each would be realistic.

And they can't run a roof vent because they have no license? Yet they can do a shower install? What about the pan test? these guys are scammers.....

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  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2015 · 476 posts · 360 votes
    3y

    @Bradley​ Lobo  Is this your primary, a rental, a flip? I would believe any price you told me since there is no limit to how much you can invest in a property  - it depends first of all, on what you are trying to achieve. If this is a high end flip in which you are trying to get top dollar in a top neighborhood, so you need high end finish and a great contractor. If this is a rental, it's a totally different approach and budget.  My guess from what you wrote is that you are talking to retail contractors who work more with homeowners than with investors.  You can find contractors to "redo" a shower for a very small fraction of that quote but it depends on what you are doing and the level of work/finish. There are contractors with crews who earn $15/hr and contractors with crews who earn $30/hr and more. There are shower doors at Home Depot and there are shower doors at high end suppliers - totally different products. I Reach out of you need a reasonable contractor that understands investors :-)

  • Severna Park, MD · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    3y

    @Sheryl Sitman I havent seen anybody working for a contractor making less than $25/hr in the last 5 years .  Lead guys are north of $ 40/hr .     My 15 year old son works  at a grocery store and they started him at $ 17.50 / hr .  

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Matthew Paul:

    @Sheryl Sitman I havent seen anybody working for a contractor making less than $25/hr in the last 5 years .  Lead guys are north of $ 40/hr .     My 15 year old son works  at a grocery store and they started him at $ 17.50 / hr .  

    I would hire a young sweeper/pickup guy for $15.....that's really all they're worth...
  • Severna Park, MD · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Matthew Paul:

    @Sheryl Sitman I havent seen anybody working for a contractor making less than $25/hr in the last 5 years .  Lead guys are north of $ 40/hr .     My 15 year old son works  at a grocery store and they started him at $ 17.50 / hr .  

    I would hire a young sweeper/pickup guy for $15.....that's really all they're worth...

    Only if you could find one that isnt on their phone 


  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Matthew Paul:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Matthew Paul:

    @Sheryl Sitman I havent seen anybody working for a contractor making less than $25/hr in the last 5 years .  Lead guys are north of $ 40/hr .     My 15 year old son works  at a grocery store and they started him at $ 17.50 / hr .  

    I would hire a young sweeper/pickup guy for $15.....that's really all they're worth...

    Only if you could find one that isnt on their phone 



     And had a belt in their pants......and knew which end of a broom to hold.... 

  • Member since 2019 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    3y
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Ronald Ty:

    What you should do is go to your local store and pick out the tile and grout color and then get the misc. Materials cost (cement board, insulation if an outside wall, trash bags, shower faucet fixture, etc). Then, you contact a tile guy (I have had luck posting on a Facebook local group). Get quotes for LABOR ONLY & then have a plumber quote you to install the shower. 

    this will simplify the process and help keep you on an organized budget. Use an excel sheet.


    Naw, no good Contractor will take on a job where the customer buys the materials. The customer will never get 1) all the stuff, or 2) the right stuff, 3) the best quality right stuff, or 4) enough of the right stuff.


     I think I will pick out the tile and where I saw it and the contractor can go pick it up himself. My understanding is that contractors can get discounts.

  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Greg Wells:
    Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
    Quote from @Ronald Ty:

    What you should do is go to your local store and pick out the tile and grout color and then get the misc. Materials cost (cement board, insulation if an outside wall, trash bags, shower faucet fixture, etc). Then, you contact a tile guy (I have had luck posting on a Facebook local group). Get quotes for LABOR ONLY & then have a plumber quote you to install the shower. 

    this will simplify the process and help keep you on an organized budget. Use an excel sheet.


    Naw, no good Contractor will take on a job where the customer buys the materials. The customer will never get 1) all the stuff, or 2) the right stuff, 3) the best quality right stuff, or 4) enough of the right stuff.


     I think I will pick out the tile and where I saw it and the contractor can go pick it up himself. My understanding is that contractors can get discounts.


     So what you're saying is - you want the contractor to go to the supply store, get the tile loaded into his truck, drive it back to the job and unload it.. and then give you his discount too? The contractor discount is meant for the contractor.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Cleveland · Member since 2020 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y

    36k is INSANE!!!!! more then double what it should be, 

    My bathroom and it was a TOTAL gut and adding two separate vanity areas , 10kish,

  • Homeowner · Bridgeport, PA · Member since 2017 · 7 posts · 3 votes
    3y

    @Bob S. your bathroom looks awesome! Did you hire a contractor, is that $10k including labor? What are your floors made of?  

  • Ned J.Pro Member
    Investor · Manteca, CA · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    10 k for that bathroom? WTH..... that's 10k of material alone around here.

    Price seems WAY high for basic shower only...entire bathroom remodel, then sure..... but not just a basic shower.

    AND if you have that much moisture in the walls, be prepared for surprises when you demo it

  • Member since 2020 · 68 posts · 30 votes
    3y
  • Member since 2020 · 68 posts · 30 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Ronald Ty:

    This tile work was done for $3200 abor only. materials was $3400. This was jist for tile, not the demo, plumber etc. I double shot the tub, sorry about that. 

  • Real Estate Consultant · Cleveland · Member since 2020 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Ned J.:

    10 k for that bathroom? WTH..... that's 10k of material alone around here.

    Price seems WAY high for basic shower only...entire bathroom remodel, then sure..... but not just a basic shower.

    AND if you have that much moisture in the walls, be prepared for surprises when you demo it

    Ok maybe it was 12, 14k, point is thsi guy is being ripped off, 30k is crazy
  • Member since 2022 · 186 posts · 192 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bob S.:
    Quote from @Ned J.:

    10 k for that bathroom? WTH..... that's 10k of material alone around here.

    Price seems WAY high for basic shower only...entire bathroom remodel, then sure..... but not just a basic shower.

    AND if you have that much moisture in the walls, be prepared for surprises when you demo it

    Ok maybe it was 12, 14k, point is thsi guy is being ripped off, 30k is crazy
    I tend to agree. Your bathroom looks amazing. I think a lot of times people confuse nice looking tile as it cost more to install. Tile is tile. Whether it’s 1$/sq ft tile or 20$/ sq ft. It goes on the same thinset trough level/spacers grout and wipe. Different size tile and shape will pose a different dilemma but it’s all basically the  same install. Just because I install a fancier looking tile doesn’t mean it cost more to install. Same with vanities or fixtures or toilets they all install basically the same. How you waterproof will up your cost however doing it yourself I could totally see doing your bathroom real nice like you got for 12k. I gutted to studs a 5X8 bathroom. With paying a helper 1000$ it took us one week and about 6k. Tile floor, big box store tub and surround new vanity, tub, toilet,new drywall including ceiling,door, trim, everything. It was done in six days with one of them spent running back and forth all day cause the tub surround was wrong. That also includes demo. Maybe I’m naive but I see estimates of guys paying 3000$ just for labor on tile. That’s insane.a good tile guy should be in and out two days max. That’s paying 1500$ a day. 
  • Bruce WoodruffPro Member
    Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Jeremiah Dunakin:
    Point #1 - Absolutely wrong....there are many reasons that a Tile Contractor will (and should) charge more - diagonal placement instead of straight, curved tiles, art/picture tile, really expensive tile that makes you go slower (like $100-200 SF), hard-to-cut tile, fragile tile, and many others....

    Point # 2 - I'm guessing that your 'helper' was not a legal employee, with all the labor burden, plus Workers Comp and all those niceties? And you are not a legally licensed Contractor with all of the overhead? A legit Construction company can require $1000+ a day just in overhead to keep running, not counting wages...


  • Severna Park, MD · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    3y

    All the posts saying , the price is too high , or that they can do it cheaper , or thats a rip off , they dont understand what a contracting business is .  The salesman shows up and asks your wants and desires , shows pictures of previous work and then prices the job at the highest amount that they feel they can . Their commission is based on the profit .  You dont want to leave money on the table .   

    If 2 parties enter into a home improvement contract and agree on the terms , and the work is completed as stated , the price charged was agreed upon and it doesnt matter how high it was . Thats called sales . 

    @Jeremiah Dunakin  $1500 a day isnt insane , thats just an average day billing for one of my service guys , plus materials . 

    To run a successful contracting business , your people need to be paid well , the office , the salesmen , the labors , and the subs . AND especially the Owner .  If you pay quality wages you attract quality people . and you charge as much as the market will bear to support that business . 

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