LLC for flipping or Peronist name w more insurance ($800 LLC fee in CA)

LLC for flipping or Peronist name w more insurance ($800 LLC fee in CA)

Investor · Los Angeles County, CA · Member since 2012 · 962 posts · 279 votes

This may seem controversial or “not by the book” for many.  


but keep in mind CA has higher taxes and reg fees and I’m not doing more than 1-2 flips (short timeframe flips)  a year and many years do 0 flips


Do most flippers put flips into LLC Or in personal name (sole proprietor) in CA (where you must pay $800 yearly plus accounting and other fees $300to $600+ yearly to maintain LLC)

Pros for personal name

-save on taxes accounting. Registration fees $800+ SOI $50 fees California and legal stuff

-keeping it simple

-easier to refinance a SFR if decide to just BRR and cash out refi in my personal name versus trying to get loan in LLC name.
-save $1k+ in taxes and fees yearly

-can use the savings to get more insurance and a higher liability than the value of house. 

for flipping houses in California does anyone just put into sole proprietor own name and just use the $1k+ in savings for LLC costs into Insurance or use for saving

or am I just being too risky. 

Thanks 


I hadn’t done a short term flip in a couple years and getting back into the game here in riverside county. 

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Bryan HartlenPro Member
Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2018 · 317 posts · 159 votes
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@Will F. some of this will depend on what you have to lose if you were sued. An LLC when properly formed and administered provides separation and protection of assets that are outside of the LLC from the actions of the LLC. If you don't have, or aren't worried about protecting, other assets then having an LLC is of less value.

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  • Flipper/Rehabber · CA · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Will F.:

    This may seem controversial or “not by the book” for many.  


    but keep in mind CA has higher taxes and reg fees and I’m not doing more than 1-2 flips (short timeframe flips)  a year and many years do 0 flips


    Do most flippers put flips into LLC Or in personal name (sole proprietor) in CA (where you must pay $800 yearly plus accounting and other fees $300to $600+ yearly to maintain LLC)

    Pros for personal name

    -save on taxes accounting. Registration fees $800+ SOI $50 fees California and legal stuff

    -keeping it simple

    -easier to refinance a SFR if decide to just BRR and cash out refi in my personal name versus trying to get loan in LLC name.
    -save $1k+ in taxes and fees yearly

    -can use the savings to get more insurance and a higher liability than the value of house. 

    for flipping houses in California does anyone just put into sole proprietor own name and just use the $1k+ in savings for LLC costs into Insurance or use for saving

    or am I just being too risky. 

    Thanks 


    I hadn’t done a short term flip in a couple years and getting back into the game here in riverside county. 


     I do sole prop schedule C, as it turns out (for me) all the doing around with corps, filings and liabilities I was just wasting time and money. The state will get its pound of flesh and my liabilities were better managed by executing perfect permitted work and excellent insurance.

    I'd sincerely recommend having a savvy CPA, Lawyer & Insurance broker. Weigh out all of the pros and cons (including costs) and make the decision that's best for you.

    These are merely my opinions and may not be the best advice for you.

  • Ko KashiwagiPro Member
    Lender · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2022 · 967 posts · 445 votes
    1y

    I've seen both across CA. LLCs tend to be beneficial for financing options if using hard money as it can be required depending on the program.

  • Bryan HartlenPro Member
    Investor · Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2018 · 317 posts · 159 votes
    1y

    @Will F. some of this will depend on what you have to lose if you were sued. An LLC when properly formed and administered provides separation and protection of assets that are outside of the LLC from the actions of the LLC. If you don't have, or aren't worried about protecting, other assets then having an LLC is of less value.

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