PN investments: What is a good NPN projection to use?

PN investments: What is a good NPN projection to use?

Orlando, FL · Member since 2011 · 176 posts · 23 votes

Hi,

For a passive performing note investor buying from a professional note broker (found here or elsewhere), what is a reasonable projection to use for notes that turn into nonperformers? I am thinking of projecting a 20% nonperformance ratio, I'm not sure if that is wildly high or low for this industry.

Thanks

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Dion DePaoliPro Member
Real Estate Broker · Northwest Indiana, IN · Member since 2011 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
9y

Gary, chances are you don't have enough capital for this to be a meaningful statistic.  Approach your needs as a function of yield and total return.  

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  • Dion DePaoliPro Member
    Real Estate Broker · Northwest Indiana, IN · Member since 2011 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    Gary, chances are you don't have enough capital for this to be a meaningful statistic.  Approach your needs as a function of yield and total return.  

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    9y

    I think what Dion is saying is that you need to apply the law of large numbers, the more valid statistical points of the population the more valid the analysis becomes.

    I had a low default ratio, as low as 4% but I also had the ability to modify prior to trouble, seeing it coming is half the battle. For budgeting and reserves, I used 10%, and in servicing I was advancing payments then collecting, something much different than the average note investor.

    Loan diversification is important as well, you can follow bond theories that apply to notes.

    I'll say too that churning those notes purchased at a discount, refinanced at PAR quickly pushes your yield skyward and the tax issue is more irrelevant IMO, when your yield is 50% annually you can afford the taxes.

    As Dion suggested, it's a function of yield over time, don't forget time and the velocity of your money. 

    The key to obtaining good notes is good underwriting and due diligence. This is also key for a NPN but only if you're going to roll it over or modify it, borrowers must be motivated. I don't suggest fooling with walk offs as you're locked into a circle of brokers and investors, the last guy holding often loses. And watch out for ponzi scheme mortgage brokers.

    Good luck :) 

  • Orlando, FL · Member since 2011 · 176 posts · 23 votes
    9y

    You should still apply a vacancy factor with 1 long term tenant, I think the same applies to note nonperformance. Thanks for the feedback!

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 215 posts · 77 votes
    9y

    That percentage is completely dependent on the quality of note you are buying and your underwriting criteria. A loan with 18 months of seasoning and a 700+ credit score is a far different asset than a seller financed land contract with $500 down and 3 months of seasoning... If this is the question you are asking, you might consider getting a better education before investing in notes. 

  • Investor · Lakewood, NJ · Member since 2016 · 64 posts · 15 votes
    9y

    Hello everyone...

    I have't been in the BPs in a bit... but always have it in mind... I have a simple question for those who are far more experience in note brokering... as I setup my buy, flix and hold project for the time being.. I am starting to think that brokering notes are drying out... 

    May be its my own skill set that's in question... but where are some of the best places (sites) that I can buy note

  • Investor · Lakewood, NJ · Member since 2016 · 64 posts · 15 votes
    9y

    I mean, buy notes to sell to places like Bostonnote.com 

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