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Chida Truong
Member since 2021 · 1 post · 10 votes

Hello BP investors,

I haven't seen any recent postings about Pace Morby's Sub To Mentoship program and wanted to see if anyone can give their honest feedback about the program who's joined recently?

I noticed quite a few of the reviews were from dead accounts or 1 and done posters so I was a bit weary about the legitimacy. Being that the cost of the program is about $7800 (amount I gathered from other posts), I didn't want to to make a costly mistake. All feedback greatly appreciated.

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Deb S.
Investor · Punta Gorda, FL · Member since 2010 · 151 posts · 127 votes
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@Chida Truong I am posting the private message that I sent to you with my thoughts about Pace Morby's Sub To Mentorship because @Joe S. seems to have an opinion on a mentorship that he is not part of - but I am.  Hope this helps those of you who have questions about Sub To:

This program is worth every dime....IF you put in the work to find deals. The community Pace has built is amazing. There are 'daily dials' that are hosted by some of the group leaders and you practice cold calling under different scenarios (seller who has no pain, seller wants too much down, seller says they're too old to do owner finance/refi, etc).

There are daily Zooms on a variety of topics as wells just Q & A where Pace will answer any questions you have on anything you might be working on, etc. He's brought on his own attorney, another business owner who ensures if the 'due on sale' clause is triggered when buying subto that he takes care of all the paperwork with the bank and title if needed, etc.

The knowledge sharing is like no other. Pace is ALWAYS giving.... information, templates, scripts, free legal contracts he paid for that his attorneys have drawn up, etc. This is not one of those mentorships where you join and you never hear from the 'subject matter expert' again. I have Pace's phone number and his email and have corresponded with him through both.

This is a genuine mentorship that is more like family. You have a question that can't wait? Post it in the Sub To Facebook group and you will get numerous replies to help you. Found a deal but not sure what to do? - squad up with someone else in the subto group and they will make sure you successfully close it. One of the biggest things that Pace teaches is to give more than you take in the group and believe me, so many students offer to help those that have not closed their first deal yet, share information/lessons learned and also share their successes as well as their failures - because you can learn from both.

Also, this is a LIFETIME membership in a group that supports each other. Everyone in this mentorship wants you to succeed.  

If you do decide to join, you can put my name and my email for $400 off the cost of the membership.  Inbox me for the link as I don't think that is allowed here.

@Joe S. bigger and wiser than his time?  You're kidding right?  You think A & E would give him and Jamil their own show if they didn't know what they are doing?  Check out season 1 called Triple Digit Flips.

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  • Nate Marshall
    Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
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    Quote from @Account Closed:
    Quote from @Chris Seveney:
    Quote from @Deb S.:

    @Account Closed my experience over the last 4 years has been worth every dime! The community is where the value is - not that the knowledge and legal docs aren't important cause they are. I've been a PML on over a dozen deals, I'm part owner of 2 mobile home parks and part owner of a SEO start up biz.

    All of these deals were brought to me from the subto community-I didn't have to go looking for them and that's the power of this community. You can do an entire RE transaction just by using the resources in the Subto community. 

    We have wholesalers, people with subto assignments, others that do dispo, PML/PMPs, transaction coordinators, Title Companies in most states that specialize in Subto/creative finance (brand new thanks to Pace), property managers for STR/MTR, people looking to JV on Padsplit/co-living, JV partners for mobile home parks (MHPs)/RV parks, self storage, opportunities for multi-family (MF) syndications, etc. The list goes on.

    The knowledge sharing is very powerful. Everyone is there to help or point you in the right direction if they can't help with your specific issue. You'll want to network, network, network so that you meet people knowledgeable in areas you're not. Many, many people have met and built their own teams within subto. People will post looking to add an underwriter to their team or a closer for example. The only way you won't be successful is if you stay silent! I have absolutely no regrets. It's a lifetime membership which I've never seen anywhere else and it more than pays for itself.

    Yes, there is free information out there. But if you need help implementing that information, figuring out all the pieces to make an opportunity successful (buying a subto, doing a wrap, a lease option, seller finance, for example), what legal documents you need, a partner to help you fund your deal, then that is where the value of the subto community is. 

    If you know everything already then you don't need to join a mentorship. But if you want to learn and grow your portfolio and even have a partner or 2 on a deal, then Subto community might be for you.

    If you do decide to join, let me know and I can send you a link for a discount. Deb


    I have different thoughts on the "community" I see on facebook. Here is an example where someone is now providing tax advice as a sub2 person: What is even worse is people are thinking this is great and wanting to do it as well. This group is like a herd of sheep being brought to the edge of the cliff and no one is asking the question why is everyone jumping off....


    Here is also another online review.
    Gator Lending Reviews | ScamRisk

    @Chris Seveney: As you are properly pointing out, bad advice gets amplified in a  group like that. And not all loans pay off. Lending to unsophisticated borrowers, who have no money or experience, isn't my idea of a safe investment. ;-)

     I have over 20 people in my group who have had not just bad but horrible experiences with Pace and his gators. There is a conference next week in Florida where one day will be dedicated to discussions and strategies for helping people not just avoid the gators but also recover from them. 

    Gators are overtly. Most have no real estate experience to begun with. Pace recruits them by running ads on You Tube. I actually saw one while watching the postgame from the Colorado-Baylor game 2 weeks ago. 

    I have one person who had 6 deals with Gators. One gator boi started calling the bank. A good way to get the mortgage called due. 

    Also lending at 200% is kind of usuary. My own EMD lenders are loaning at less than 30%.

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  • Jarrod Ochsenbein
    Rental Property Investor · Oregon/Arizona · Member since 2023 · 124 posts · 79 votes
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    Quote from @Account Closed:
    Quote from @Deb S.:
    Quote from @Ali Radoncic:
    Quote from @Chida Truong:

    Hello BP investors,

    I haven't seen any recent postings about Pace Morby's Sub To Mentoship program and wanted to see if anyone can give their honest feedback about the program who's joined recently?

    I noticed quite a few of the reviews were from dead accounts or 1 and done posters so I was a bit weary about the legitimacy. Being that the cost of the program is about $7800 (amount I gathered from other posts), I didn't want to to make a costly mistake. All feedback greatly appreciated.


     uffffff $7,800 for info Id imagine you could get from you tube university.  I understand investing in yourself, but with so much info flying around for free I wouldn't want to do it.

    I didn't help your question at all, but when I saw the price tag I couldn't resist.

    You're not just paying for information and contracts. You get an entire community of over 13,000 to JV with, buy deals from, sell your deals to, ask questions/get answers on your specific deal, etc. In my opinion, the community itself is well worth the cost.
    This is also a life time membership that doesn't expire after a few months. If you divide the cost over say 3 years (I've been in over 3 years), it's probably close to the cost of monthly subscriptions to CRMs, batch dialers, skip tracing services, etc.
    It's another tool in your toolbelt that doesn't have a renewal cost!!
    Just my two cents..........
    @Deb S.: Looks like some time ago you joined the Pace Morby group. Have you done any deals as a result?

    What has been your experience so far?

     I have done several PML deals and purchased 3 houses.  I am relatively slow compared to others in the community, but I like to do the slow and steady so I don't F' up. :)   To answer your question it has been AWESOME.   I was really hesitant to spend the $'s, but looking back I am so glad I got out of my own way.   

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  • Nate Marshall
    Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
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    Well there is an entire conference that would have been held this week if not for the hurricane about stopping Pace and the gator bois. It may even have had some DOJ interest. 

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  • Justin Buswell
    Member since 2021 · 56 posts · 36 votes
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    Quote from @Nate Marshall:

    Well there is an entire conference that would have been held this week if not for the hurricane about stopping Pace and the gator bois. It may even have had some DOJ interest. 


     you spend a lot of time trolling Pace on this Forum.  We get it.  You don't like him.  Enough man.   I'm no fan either but you're obsessed.

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  • Joe S.Pro Member
    Investor · San Antonio · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Nate Marshall:

    Well there is an entire conference that would have been held this week if not for the hurricane about stopping Pace and the gator bois. It may even have had some DOJ interest. 


     you spend a lot of time trolling Pace on this Forum.  We get it.  You don't like him.  Enough man.   I'm no fan either but you're obsessed.

    I’m not a fan of Pace either, but  Why a whole conference?  There are people that do Sub2 respectfully and do not promote it to everybody, nor shove it down their throat.
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  • Justin Buswell
    Member since 2021 · 56 posts · 36 votes
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    Quote from @Joe S.:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Nate Marshall:

    Well there is an entire conference that would have been held this week if not for the hurricane about stopping Pace and the gator bois. It may even have had some DOJ interest. 


     you spend a lot of time trolling Pace on this Forum.  We get it.  You don't like him.  Enough man.   I'm no fan either but you're obsessed.

    I’m not a fan of Pace either, but  Why a whole conference?  There are people that do Sub2 respectfully and do not promote it to everybody, nor shove it down their throat.

    Ostensibly to network with other subto folks.  Just like BP Con or one of the 100s of others.   ITs also important to know that while PAce has taken "Subto" like he created it the group deals with everything in real estate.  Not just subto.   Wholesaling, mindset, disposition, systems, multifamily, underwriting, on and on.  Of course creative finance as well.  

    The network is really good for some people.  Some people make a lot of partners and friends in the group.  That is why there is a conference.

    I personally have lent and invested in 5 deals due to networking int he group.  They have all turned (So far) well for me.  I know many people who got taken and the PM org did nothing for them other than told them not to post about it in the Facebook group.

    Of course, Pace and his friends will be hawking stuff too.  He is the ultimate sales guy.  EVERYTHING he does is about monetization.  EVERYTHING.  Not to say there is not value there if you don't buy something.  There is.

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Joe S.:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Nate Marshall:

    Well there is an entire conference that would have been held this week if not for the hurricane about stopping Pace and the gator bois. It may even have had some DOJ interest. 


     you spend a lot of time trolling Pace on this Forum.  We get it.  You don't like him.  Enough man.   I'm no fan either but you're obsessed.

    I’m not a fan of Pace either, but  Why a whole conference?  There are people that do Sub2 respectfully and do not promote it to everybody, nor shove it down their throat.

    Ostensibly to network with other subto folks.  Just like BP Con or one of the 100s of others.   ITs also important to know that while PAce has taken "Subto" like he created it the group deals with everything in real estate.  Not just subto.   Wholesaling, mindset, disposition, systems, multifamily, underwriting, on and on.  Of course creative finance as well.  

    The network is really good for some people.  Some people make a lot of partners and friends in the group.  That is why there is a conference.

    I personally have lent and invested in 5 deals due to networking int he group.  They have all turned (So far) well for me.  I know many people who got taken and the PM org did nothing for them other than told them not to post about it in the Facebook group.

    Of course, Pace and his friends will be hawking stuff too.  He is the ultimate sales guy.  EVERYTHING he does is about monetization.  EVERYTHING.  Not to say there is not value there if you don't buy something.  There is.


    so what is the name of this conference and where is it being held ?
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  • Nate Marshall
    Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
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    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Nate Marshall:

    Well there is an entire conference that would have been held this week if not for the hurricane about stopping Pace and the gator bois. It may even have had some DOJ interest. 


     you spend a lot of time trolling Pace on this Forum.  We get it.  You don't like him.  Enough man.   I'm no fan either but you're obsessed.


     Yeah no. I am working to stop him. Just block me boi 

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  • Justin Buswell
    Member since 2021 · 56 posts · 36 votes
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    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Joe S.:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Nate Marshall:

    Well there is an entire conference that would have been held this week if not for the hurricane about stopping Pace and the gator bois. It may even have had some DOJ interest. 


     you spend a lot of time trolling Pace on this Forum.  We get it.  You don't like him.  Enough man.   I'm no fan either but you're obsessed.

    I’m not a fan of Pace either, but  Why a whole conference?  There are people that do Sub2 respectfully and do not promote it to everybody, nor shove it down their throat.

    Ostensibly to network with other subto folks.  Just like BP Con or one of the 100s of others.   ITs also important to know that while PAce has taken "Subto" like he created it the group deals with everything in real estate.  Not just subto.   Wholesaling, mindset, disposition, systems, multifamily, underwriting, on and on.  Of course creative finance as well.  

    The network is really good for some people.  Some people make a lot of partners and friends in the group.  That is why there is a conference.

    I personally have lent and invested in 5 deals due to networking int he group.  They have all turned (So far) well for me.  I know many people who got taken and the PM org did nothing for them other than told them not to post about it in the Facebook group.

    Of course, Pace and his friends will be hawking stuff too.  He is the ultimate sales guy.  EVERYTHING he does is about monetization.  EVERYTHING.  Not to say there is not value there if you don't buy something.  There is.


    so what is the name of this conference and where is it being held ?

     Sqad Up Dallas.  https://www.squadupsummit.com/

    No idea if you can just go if you are not a member.  They were offering us a really cheap ticket this year which was nice.  Im not going.  

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  • Nate Marshall
    Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
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    Quote from @Joe S.:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Nate Marshall:

    Well there is an entire conference that would have been held this week if not for the hurricane about stopping Pace and the gator bois. It may even have had some DOJ interest. 


     you spend a lot of time trolling Pace on this Forum.  We get it.  You don't like him.  Enough man.   I'm no fan either but you're obsessed.

    I’m not a fan of Pace either, but  Why a whole conference?  There are people that do Sub2 respectfully and do not promote it to everybody, nor shove it down their throat.

     More to it than Pace. But 1 of the 3 days is how to deal with Pace and shut his gator bois down. 

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Joe S.:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Nate Marshall:

    Well there is an entire conference that would have been held this week if not for the hurricane about stopping Pace and the gator bois. It may even have had some DOJ interest. 


     you spend a lot of time trolling Pace on this Forum.  We get it.  You don't like him.  Enough man.   I'm no fan either but you're obsessed.

    I’m not a fan of Pace either, but  Why a whole conference?  There are people that do Sub2 respectfully and do not promote it to everybody, nor shove it down their throat.

    Ostensibly to network with other subto folks.  Just like BP Con or one of the 100s of others.   ITs also important to know that while PAce has taken "Subto" like he created it the group deals with everything in real estate.  Not just subto.   Wholesaling, mindset, disposition, systems, multifamily, underwriting, on and on.  Of course creative finance as well.  

    The network is really good for some people.  Some people make a lot of partners and friends in the group.  That is why there is a conference.

    I personally have lent and invested in 5 deals due to networking int he group.  They have all turned (So far) well for me.  I know many people who got taken and the PM org did nothing for them other than told them not to post about it in the Facebook group.

    Of course, Pace and his friends will be hawking stuff too.  He is the ultimate sales guy.  EVERYTHING he does is about monetization.  EVERYTHING.  Not to say there is not value there if you don't buy something.  There is.


    so what is the name of this conference and where is it being held ?

     Sqad Up Dallas.  https://www.squadupsummit.com/

    No idea if you can just go if you are not a member.  They were offering us a really cheap ticket this year which was nice.  Im not going.  


    OK got it.. no different than going to a Tony Robbins event you have all the likely suspects selling their version of how to get rich and or take control of your personal affairs.

    Or in my day a Zig Zeigler event ( I loved that guy) or Robert Schuler would have some top speakers at his events as well.
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  • Justin Buswell
    Member since 2021 · 56 posts · 36 votes
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    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Joe S.:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Nate Marshall:

    Well there is an entire conference that would have been held this week if not for the hurricane about stopping Pace and the gator bois. It may even have had some DOJ interest. 


     you spend a lot of time trolling Pace on this Forum.  We get it.  You don't like him.  Enough man.   I'm no fan either but you're obsessed.

    I’m not a fan of Pace either, but  Why a whole conference?  There are people that do Sub2 respectfully and do not promote it to everybody, nor shove it down their throat.

    Ostensibly to network with other subto folks.  Just like BP Con or one of the 100s of others.   ITs also important to know that while PAce has taken "Subto" like he created it the group deals with everything in real estate.  Not just subto.   Wholesaling, mindset, disposition, systems, multifamily, underwriting, on and on.  Of course creative finance as well.  

    The network is really good for some people.  Some people make a lot of partners and friends in the group.  That is why there is a conference.

    I personally have lent and invested in 5 deals due to networking int he group.  They have all turned (So far) well for me.  I know many people who got taken and the PM org did nothing for them other than told them not to post about it in the Facebook group.

    Of course, Pace and his friends will be hawking stuff too.  He is the ultimate sales guy.  EVERYTHING he does is about monetization.  EVERYTHING.  Not to say there is not value there if you don't buy something.  There is.


    so what is the name of this conference and where is it being held ?

     Sqad Up Dallas.  https://www.squadupsummit.com/

    No idea if you can just go if you are not a member.  They were offering us a really cheap ticket this year which was nice.  Im not going.  


    OK got it.. no different than going to a Tony Robbins event you have all the likely suspects selling their version of how to get rich and or take control of your personal affairs.

    Or in my day a Zig Zeigler event ( I loved that guy) or Robert Schuler would have some top speakers at his events as well.

     I love Zig too.  Met him back in the day.  

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  • Justin Buswell
    Member since 2021 · 56 posts · 36 votes
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    Quote from @Nate Marshall:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Nate Marshall:

    Well there is an entire conference that would have been held this week if not for the hurricane about stopping Pace and the gator bois. It may even have had some DOJ interest. 


     you spend a lot of time trolling Pace on this Forum.  We get it.  You don't like him.  Enough man.   I'm no fan either but you're obsessed.


     Yeah no. I am working to stop him. Just block me boi 


     well good luck.  Honestly, with the way his org works I'd be worried that they find a way to come after you.  THat said there is a ton of positive value in the offerings.  Yes there is a dark side but there is a ton of positive.

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Joe S.:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Nate Marshall:

    Well there is an entire conference that would have been held this week if not for the hurricane about stopping Pace and the gator bois. It may even have had some DOJ interest. 


     you spend a lot of time trolling Pace on this Forum.  We get it.  You don't like him.  Enough man.   I'm no fan either but you're obsessed.

    I’m not a fan of Pace either, but  Why a whole conference?  There are people that do Sub2 respectfully and do not promote it to everybody, nor shove it down their throat.

    Ostensibly to network with other subto folks.  Just like BP Con or one of the 100s of others.   ITs also important to know that while PAce has taken "Subto" like he created it the group deals with everything in real estate.  Not just subto.   Wholesaling, mindset, disposition, systems, multifamily, underwriting, on and on.  Of course creative finance as well.  

    The network is really good for some people.  Some people make a lot of partners and friends in the group.  That is why there is a conference.

    I personally have lent and invested in 5 deals due to networking int he group.  They have all turned (So far) well for me.  I know many people who got taken and the PM org did nothing for them other than told them not to post about it in the Facebook group.

    Of course, Pace and his friends will be hawking stuff too.  He is the ultimate sales guy.  EVERYTHING he does is about monetization.  EVERYTHING.  Not to say there is not value there if you don't buy something.  There is.


    so what is the name of this conference and where is it being held ?

     Sqad Up Dallas.  https://www.squadupsummit.com/

    No idea if you can just go if you are not a member.  They were offering us a really cheap ticket this year which was nice.  Im not going.  


    OK got it.. no different than going to a Tony Robbins event you have all the likely suspects selling their version of how to get rich and or take control of your personal affairs.

    Or in my day a Zig Zeigler event ( I loved that guy) or Robert Schuler would have some top speakers at his events as well.

     I love Zig too.  Met him back in the day.  


    Yup  "need a check up from the Neck up "  one of my fav Zig lines. 
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  • Nate Marshall
    Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
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    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Nate Marshall:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Nate Marshall:

    Well there is an entire conference that would have been held this week if not for the hurricane about stopping Pace and the gator bois. It may even have had some DOJ interest. 


     you spend a lot of time trolling Pace on this Forum.  We get it.  You don't like him.  Enough man.   I'm no fan either but you're obsessed.


     Yeah no. I am working to stop him. Just block me boi 


     well good luck.  Honestly, with the way his org works I'd be worried that they find a way to come after you.  THat said there is a ton of positive value in the offerings.  Yes there is a dark side but there is a ton of positive.


     There are people with deep pockets and lawyers about to go after him and them! 

    BTW here is a picture inside one of the freshly renmovated as of spring 2024 apartments in the news from Aurora Colorado. 

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  • Nate Marshall
    Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
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    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Joe S.:
    Quote from @Justin Buswell:
    Quote from @Nate Marshall:

    Well there is an entire conference that would have been held this week if not for the hurricane about stopping Pace and the gator bois. It may even have had some DOJ interest. 


     you spend a lot of time trolling Pace on this Forum.  We get it.  You don't like him.  Enough man.   I'm no fan either but you're obsessed.

    I’m not a fan of Pace either, but  Why a whole conference?  There are people that do Sub2 respectfully and do not promote it to everybody, nor shove it down their throat.

    Ostensibly to network with other subto folks.  Just like BP Con or one of the 100s of others.   ITs also important to know that while PAce has taken "Subto" like he created it the group deals with everything in real estate.  Not just subto.   Wholesaling, mindset, disposition, systems, multifamily, underwriting, on and on.  Of course creative finance as well.  

    The network is really good for some people.  Some people make a lot of partners and friends in the group.  That is why there is a conference.

    I personally have lent and invested in 5 deals due to networking int he group.  They have all turned (So far) well for me.  I know many people who got taken and the PM org did nothing for them other than told them not to post about it in the Facebook group.

    Of course, Pace and his friends will be hawking stuff too.  He is the ultimate sales guy.  EVERYTHING he does is about monetization.  EVERYTHING.  Not to say there is not value there if you don't buy something.  There is.


    so what is the name of this conference and where is it being held ?

     Sqad Up Dallas.  https://www.squadupsummit.com/

    No idea if you can just go if you are not a member.  They were offering us a really cheap ticket this year which was nice.  Im not going.  


    OK got it.. no different than going to a Tony Robbins event you have all the likely suspects selling their version of how to get rich and or take control of your personal affairs.

    Or in my day a Zig Zeigler event ( I loved that guy) or Robert Schuler would have some top speakers at his events as well.

     I went to one Tony Robbins event. I had a free ticket. This was in the 90's. It was lame. 

    Here is another picture inside the Aurora Colorado apartments in the news. 

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    New to Real Estate · USA · Member since 2020 · 22 posts · 10 votes
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    I am interested in joining the Pace Morby's Subto program, can someone help me with the discount code?  

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  • Ignatius Okeke
    New to Real Estate · USA · Member since 2020 · 22 posts · 10 votes
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    I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 

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    • Nate Marshall
      Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
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      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 


       Maybe rethink your life. 

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    • Ken M.
      Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 

      If you have to borrow money to do "no money down" investing, (which it really isn't 
      "no money down" investing, don't you think you are headed to trouble?

      By the way, doing things Morby's way will get you into trouble even if you have money. The reason you need money for Morby's "no money down" investing is to hire an attorney to explain to the state why you broke the law. You will need representation. Be smart, talk to an attorney first, tell them what you want to do and let them tell you if it's legal. It's a lot cheaper than after the fact.
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    • Ignatius Okeke
      New to Real Estate · USA · Member since 2020 · 22 posts · 10 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 

      If you have to borrow money to do "no money down" investing, (which it really isn't 
      "no money down" investing, don't you think you are headed to trouble?

      By the way, doing things Morby's way will get you into trouble even if you have money. The reason you need money for Morby's "no money down" investing is to hire an attorney to explain to the state why you broke the law. You will need representation. Be smart, talk to an attorney first, tell them what you want to do and let them tell you if it's legal. It's a lot cheaper than after the fact.

       Hi Ken,

      Thank you for your response and advice. Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you mean. I wanted to sign up for the program mainly for networking purpose. Getting to meet experienced people whom I can learn from. So, I need more clarification and clear direction regarding that.


      Best,

      Ignatius.

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    • Ken M.
      Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 

      If you have to borrow money to do "no money down" investing, (which it really isn't 
      "no money down" investing, don't you think you are headed to trouble?

      By the way, doing things Morby's way will get you into trouble even if you have money. The reason you need money for Morby's "no money down" investing is to hire an attorney to explain to the state why you broke the law. You will need representation. Be smart, talk to an attorney first, tell them what you want to do and let them tell you if it's legal. It's a lot cheaper than after the fact.

       Hi Ken,

      Thank you for your response and advice. Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you mean. I wanted to sign up for the program mainly for networking purpose. Getting to meet experienced people whom I can learn from. So, I need more clarification and clear direction regarding that.


      Best,

      Ignatius.

      .

      Learning to do things the wrong way is still learning to do things, I guess.

      Here is someone doing the things Morby teaches, the way Morby teaches



      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf

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    • Ignatius Okeke
      New to Real Estate · USA · Member since 2020 · 22 posts · 10 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 

      If you have to borrow money to do "no money down" investing, (which it really isn't 
      "no money down" investing, don't you think you are headed to trouble?

      By the way, doing things Morby's way will get you into trouble even if you have money. The reason you need money for Morby's "no money down" investing is to hire an attorney to explain to the state why you broke the law. You will need representation. Be smart, talk to an attorney first, tell them what you want to do and let them tell you if it's legal. It's a lot cheaper than after the fact.

       Hi Ken,

      Thank you for your response and advice. Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you mean. I wanted to sign up for the program mainly for networking purpose. Getting to meet experienced people whom I can learn from. So, I need more clarification and clear direction regarding that.


      Best,

      Ignatius.

      .

      Learning to do things the wrong way is still learning to do things, I guess.

      Here is someone doing the things Morby teaches, the way Morby teaches



      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf


       Waooo! thanks for this. I will check it out...

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    • Deb S.
      Investor · Punta Gorda, FL · Member since 2010 · 151 posts · 127 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 


       Hi Ignatius I thought I gave you the link? Deb

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    • Ignatius Okeke
      New to Real Estate · USA · Member since 2020 · 22 posts · 10 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 

      If you have to borrow money to do "no money down" investing, (which it really isn't 
      "no money down" investing, don't you think you are headed to trouble?

      By the way, doing things Morby's way will get you into trouble even if you have money. The reason you need money for Morby's "no money down" investing is to hire an attorney to explain to the state why you broke the law. You will need representation. Be smart, talk to an attorney first, tell them what you want to do and let them tell you if it's legal. It's a lot cheaper than after the fact.

       Hi Ken,

      Thank you for your response and advice. Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you mean. I wanted to sign up for the program mainly for networking purpose. Getting to meet experienced people whom I can learn from. So, I need more clarification and clear direction regarding that.


      Best,

      Ignatius.

      .

      Learning to do things the wrong way is still learning to do things, I guess.

      Here is someone doing the things Morby teaches, the way Morby teaches



      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf


       Hi Ken,

      Obviously, I am seriously confused right now. Can you recommend me a legit networking forum for me to join other people who are experienced, and can guide me through the steps of getting deals done?  

      Regards,

      Ignatius. 

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    • Nate Marshall
      Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 

      If you have to borrow money to do "no money down" investing, (which it really isn't 
      "no money down" investing, don't you think you are headed to trouble?

      By the way, doing things Morby's way will get you into trouble even if you have money. The reason you need money for Morby's "no money down" investing is to hire an attorney to explain to the state why you broke the law. You will need representation. Be smart, talk to an attorney first, tell them what you want to do and let them tell you if it's legal. It's a lot cheaper than after the fact.

       The people who do this are the problem in real estate. Losers with nothing to offer. Expecting a free lunch. 

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    • Deb S.
      Investor · Punta Gorda, FL · Member since 2010 · 151 posts · 127 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 

      If you have to borrow money to do "no money down" investing, (which it really isn't 
      "no money down" investing, don't you think you are headed to trouble?

      By the way, doing things Morby's way will get you into trouble even if you have money. The reason you need money for Morby's "no money down" investing is to hire an attorney to explain to the state why you broke the law. You will need representation. Be smart, talk to an attorney first, tell them what you want to do and let them tell you if it's legal. It's a lot cheaper than after the fact.

       Hi Ken,

      Thank you for your response and advice. Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you mean. I wanted to sign up for the program mainly for networking purpose. Getting to meet experienced people whom I can learn from. So, I need more clarification and clear direction regarding that.


      Best,

      Ignatius.

      .

      Learning to do things the wrong way is still learning to do things, I guess.

      Here is someone doing the things Morby teaches, the way Morby teaches



      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf

       @Ken M. to be clear Cameron Jones is NOT in the paid Subto community. Please stop spreading lies. It's fine if you don't like Pace Morby or what he does/teaches but let's stick to the truth.

      Pace does NOT teach anyone to defraud homeowners. His legal documents have been drafted by his own attorney who clearly would not create invalid, unenforceable contracts. 

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    • Ken M.
      Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Deb S.:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 

      If you have to borrow money to do "no money down" investing, (which it really isn't 
      "no money down" investing, don't you think you are headed to trouble?

      By the way, doing things Morby's way will get you into trouble even if you have money. The reason you need money for Morby's "no money down" investing is to hire an attorney to explain to the state why you broke the law. You will need representation. Be smart, talk to an attorney first, tell them what you want to do and let them tell you if it's legal. It's a lot cheaper than after the fact.

       Hi Ken,

      Thank you for your response and advice. Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you mean. I wanted to sign up for the program mainly for networking purpose. Getting to meet experienced people whom I can learn from. So, I need more clarification and clear direction regarding that.


      Best,

      Ignatius.

      .

      Learning to do things the wrong way is still learning to do things, I guess.

      Here is someone doing the things Morby teaches, the way Morby teaches



      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf

      .

      Your comment "@Ken M. to be clear Cameron Jones is NOT in the paid Subto community. Please stop spreading lies. It's fine if you don't like Pace Morby or what he does/teaches but let's stick to the truth. - 

      (So, it doesn't really matter the name or the association, if they are doing things the way Morby advocates, he is headed for trouble. But, you've piqued my interest, where did I say "Cameron Jones IS in the paid Subto community" and why are you so defensive about that?)

      Pace does NOT teach anyone to defraud homeowners. His legal documents have been drafted by his own attorney who clearly would not create invalid, unenforceable contracts."

      Actually I have watched some of Morby's videos and you should be advised to be very careful about associating with him.


      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf

      It would serve you well to actually READ the complaint and see if any of these "techniques" can be found in the videos and groups he runs and the concepts he teaches.

      By the way, these characters had "very carefully crafted agreements and contracts by their attorneys" who clearly would not create invalid, unenforceable contracts." as well. The attorneys have been included in the lawsuit. Imagine that!

      Anyway, since this doesn't alarm you, I would strongly suggest you set aside about $25,000 for legal fees, in case you are wrong.

      For you lurkers, take the advice of someone who has been around the block for 30 years. Rather than take a novice's word for it, ask what went wrong and avoid doing those things. ;-)

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    • Deb S.
      Investor · Punta Gorda, FL · Member since 2010 · 151 posts · 127 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Deb S.:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 

      If you have to borrow money to do "no money down" investing, (which it really isn't 
      "no money down" investing, don't you think you are headed to trouble?

      By the way, doing things Morby's way will get you into trouble even if you have money. The reason you need money for Morby's "no money down" investing is to hire an attorney to explain to the state why you broke the law. You will need representation. Be smart, talk to an attorney first, tell them what you want to do and let them tell you if it's legal. It's a lot cheaper than after the fact.

       Hi Ken,

      Thank you for your response and advice. Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you mean. I wanted to sign up for the program mainly for networking purpose. Getting to meet experienced people whom I can learn from. So, I need more clarification and clear direction regarding that.


      Best,

      Ignatius.

      .

      Learning to do things the wrong way is still learning to do things, I guess.

      Here is someone doing the things Morby teaches, the way Morby teaches



      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf

      .

      Your comment "@Ken M. to be clear Cameron Jones is NOT in the paid Subto community. Please stop spreading lies. It's fine if you don't like Pace Morby or what he does/teaches but let's stick to the truth. - 

      (So, it doesn't really matter the name or the association, if they are doing things the way Morby advocates, he is headed for trouble. But, you've piqued my interest, where did I say "Cameron Jones IS in the paid Subto community" and why are you so defensive about that?)

      Pace does NOT teach anyone to defraud homeowners. His legal documents have been drafted by his own attorney who clearly would not create invalid, unenforceable contracts."

      Actually I have watched some of Morby's videos and you should be advised to be very careful about associating with him.


      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf

      It would serve you well to actually READ the complaint and see if any of these "techniques" can be found in the videos and groups he runs and the concepts he teaches.

      By the way, these characters had "very carefully crafted agreements and contracts by their attorneys" who clearly would not create invalid, unenforceable contracts." as well. The attorneys have been included in the lawsuit. Imagine that!

      Anyway, since this doesn't alarm you, I would strongly suggest you set aside about $25,000 for legal fees, in case you are wrong.

      For you lurkers, take the advice of someone who has been around the block for 30 years. Rather than take a novice's word for it, ask what went wrong and avoid doing those things. ;-)

      Well when you state: 'Here is someone doing the things Morby teaches, the way Morby teaches' that could only be true if these people being sued have been trained by Pace Morby which means they are in the paid Subto community.
      And what makes you think I have not read the complaint. I wouldn't comment if I hadn't.
      Not sure whom you refer to as a 'novice' in your last post but just for clarification I've been in Subto for over 4 years. I can tell you that there aren't any teachings about how to defraud a home owner or teachings on how to build a team of title companies, attorneys and door knockers to do so.

      Like most professions, there are bad apples (attorneys/title companies in this case) that are motivated by greed. 
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    • Ken M.
      Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Deb S.:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Deb S.:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 

      If you have to borrow money to do "no money down" investing, (which it really isn't 
      "no money down" investing, don't you think you are headed to trouble?

      By the way, doing things Morby's way will get you into trouble even if you have money. The reason you need money for Morby's "no money down" investing is to hire an attorney to explain to the state why you broke the law. You will need representation. Be smart, talk to an attorney first, tell them what you want to do and let them tell you if it's legal. It's a lot cheaper than after the fact.

       Hi Ken,

      Thank you for your response and advice. Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you mean. I wanted to sign up for the program mainly for networking purpose. Getting to meet experienced people whom I can learn from. So, I need more clarification and clear direction regarding that.


      Best,

      Ignatius.

      .

      Learning to do things the wrong way is still learning to do things, I guess.

      Here is someone doing the things Morby teaches, the way Morby teaches



      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf

      .

      Your comment "@Ken M. to be clear Cameron Jones is NOT in the paid Subto community. Please stop spreading lies. It's fine if you don't like Pace Morby or what he does/teaches but let's stick to the truth. - 

      (So, it doesn't really matter the name or the association, if they are doing things the way Morby advocates, he is headed for trouble. But, you've piqued my interest, where did I say "Cameron Jones IS in the paid Subto community" and why are you so defensive about that?)

      Pace does NOT teach anyone to defraud homeowners. His legal documents have been drafted by his own attorney who clearly would not create invalid, unenforceable contracts."

      Actually I have watched some of Morby's videos and you should be advised to be very careful about associating with him.


      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf

      It would serve you well to actually READ the complaint and see if any of these "techniques" can be found in the videos and groups he runs and the concepts he teaches.

      By the way, these characters had "very carefully crafted agreements and contracts by their attorneys" who clearly would not create invalid, unenforceable contracts." as well. The attorneys have been included in the lawsuit. Imagine that!

      Anyway, since this doesn't alarm you, I would strongly suggest you set aside about $25,000 for legal fees, in case you are wrong.

      For you lurkers, take the advice of someone who has been around the block for 30 years. Rather than take a novice's word for it, ask what went wrong and avoid doing those things. ;-)

      Well when you state: 'Here is someone doing the things Morby teaches, the way Morby teaches' that could only be true if these people being sued have been trained by Pace Morby which means they are in the paid Subto community.
      And what makes you think I have not read the complaint. I wouldn't comment if I hadn't.
      Not sure whom you refer to as a 'novice' in your last post but just for clarification I've been in Subto for over 4 years. I can tell you that there aren't any teachings about how to defraud a home owner or teachings on how to build a team of title companies, attorneys and door knockers to do so.

      Like most professions, there are bad apples (attorneys/title companies in this case) that are motivated by greed. 

      .

      Your comment: "And what makes you think I have not read the complaint. I wouldn't comment if I hadn't." Okay what are the 12 things they are being sued for? You don't need to explain them, just list them, to show you comprehend the problem. Then list the ones Morby is Not teaching. There are some of those, but do you think all items have to be proven to be guilty. No, just one has to stick. Just one.

      Your comment: "that could only be true if these people being sued have been trained by Pace Morby which means they are in the paid Subto community."

      I could drive a truck through the hole in your "logic". No court will accept that argument.

      Do you think making $150,000 off of bailing someone out of a foreclosure is NOT greed? Yikes! Then what is? (He brags about this in many of his recent videos)

      Your comment: "Like most professions, there are bad apples (attorneys/title companies in this case) that are motivated by greed." 

      and Grus (I added that one. ;-)

      You should familiarize yourself with

      12 U.S. Code § 1709–2 - Equity skimming

      shall be fined not more than $250,000 or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both. This section shall apply to a purchaser of such a dwelling, or a beneficial owner under any business organization
      and it's sister

      Equity Stripping

      "Equity stripping is exercised against homeowners facing foreclosure. An investor buys the property from the homeowner under threat of foreclosure and agrees to lease the property back to the former owner, who may then continue to use the property as a residence. Predatory investors often use this method to take advantage of property owners with limited resources and information."

      Yes, it is illegal. 

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    • Nate Marshall
      Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
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      Quote from @Deb S.:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 

      If you have to borrow money to do "no money down" investing, (which it really isn't 
      "no money down" investing, don't you think you are headed to trouble?

      By the way, doing things Morby's way will get you into trouble even if you have money. The reason you need money for Morby's "no money down" investing is to hire an attorney to explain to the state why you broke the law. You will need representation. Be smart, talk to an attorney first, tell them what you want to do and let them tell you if it's legal. It's a lot cheaper than after the fact.

       Hi Ken,

      Thank you for your response and advice. Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you mean. I wanted to sign up for the program mainly for networking purpose. Getting to meet experienced people whom I can learn from. So, I need more clarification and clear direction regarding that.


      Best,

      Ignatius.

      .

      Learning to do things the wrong way is still learning to do things, I guess.

      Here is someone doing the things Morby teaches, the way Morby teaches



      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf

       @Ken M. to be clear Cameron Jones is NOT in the paid Subto community. Please stop spreading lies. It's fine if you don't like Pace Morby or what he does/teaches but let's stick to the truth.

      Pace does NOT teach anyone to defraud homeowners. His legal documents have been drafted by his own attorney who clearly would not create invalid, unenforceable contracts. 


       Wrong on all counts. Pace is the Hitler of real estate! 

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    • Nate Marshall
      Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Deb S.:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 

      If you have to borrow money to do "no money down" investing, (which it really isn't 
      "no money down" investing, don't you think you are headed to trouble?

      By the way, doing things Morby's way will get you into trouble even if you have money. The reason you need money for Morby's "no money down" investing is to hire an attorney to explain to the state why you broke the law. You will need representation. Be smart, talk to an attorney first, tell them what you want to do and let them tell you if it's legal. It's a lot cheaper than after the fact.

       Hi Ken,

      Thank you for your response and advice. Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you mean. I wanted to sign up for the program mainly for networking purpose. Getting to meet experienced people whom I can learn from. So, I need more clarification and clear direction regarding that.


      Best,

      Ignatius.

      .

      Learning to do things the wrong way is still learning to do things, I guess.

      Here is someone doing the things Morby teaches, the way Morby teaches



      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf

      .

      Your comment "@Ken M. to be clear Cameron Jones is NOT in the paid Subto community. Please stop spreading lies. It's fine if you don't like Pace Morby or what he does/teaches but let's stick to the truth. - 

      (So, it doesn't really matter the name or the association, if they are doing things the way Morby advocates, he is headed for trouble. But, you've piqued my interest, where did I say "Cameron Jones IS in the paid Subto community" and why are you so defensive about that?)

      Pace does NOT teach anyone to defraud homeowners. His legal documents have been drafted by his own attorney who clearly would not create invalid, unenforceable contracts."

      Actually I have watched some of Morby's videos and you should be advised to be very careful about associating with him.


      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf

      It would serve you well to actually READ the complaint and see if any of these "techniques" can be found in the videos and groups he runs and the concepts he teaches.

      By the way, these characters had "very carefully crafted agreements and contracts by their attorneys" who clearly would not create invalid, unenforceable contracts." as well. The attorneys have been included in the lawsuit. Imagine that!

      Anyway, since this doesn't alarm you, I would strongly suggest you set aside about $25,000 for legal fees, in case you are wrong.

      For you lurkers, take the advice of someone who has been around the block for 30 years. Rather than take a novice's word for it, ask what went wrong and avoid doing those things. ;-)


       The complaints are 100% legitimate. Pace will eventually go to prison. I hear Robert Hanssen's suite at ADX Supermax is available. Cry harder gator bois!

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    • Nate Marshall
      Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Deb S.:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 

      If you have to borrow money to do "no money down" investing, (which it really isn't 
      "no money down" investing, don't you think you are headed to trouble?

      By the way, doing things Morby's way will get you into trouble even if you have money. The reason you need money for Morby's "no money down" investing is to hire an attorney to explain to the state why you broke the law. You will need representation. Be smart, talk to an attorney first, tell them what you want to do and let them tell you if it's legal. It's a lot cheaper than after the fact.

       Hi Ken,

      Thank you for your response and advice. Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you mean. I wanted to sign up for the program mainly for networking purpose. Getting to meet experienced people whom I can learn from. So, I need more clarification and clear direction regarding that.


      Best,

      Ignatius.

      .

      Learning to do things the wrong way is still learning to do things, I guess.

      Here is someone doing the things Morby teaches, the way Morby teaches



      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf

      .

      Your comment "@Ken M. to be clear Cameron Jones is NOT in the paid Subto community. Please stop spreading lies. It's fine if you don't like Pace Morby or what he does/teaches but let's stick to the truth. - 

      (So, it doesn't really matter the name or the association, if they are doing things the way Morby advocates, he is headed for trouble. But, you've piqued my interest, where did I say "Cameron Jones IS in the paid Subto community" and why are you so defensive about that?)

      Pace does NOT teach anyone to defraud homeowners. His legal documents have been drafted by his own attorney who clearly would not create invalid, unenforceable contracts."

      Actually I have watched some of Morby's videos and you should be advised to be very careful about associating with him.


      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf

      It would serve you well to actually READ the complaint and see if any of these "techniques" can be found in the videos and groups he runs and the concepts he teaches.

      By the way, these characters had "very carefully crafted agreements and contracts by their attorneys" who clearly would not create invalid, unenforceable contracts." as well. The attorneys have been included in the lawsuit. Imagine that!

      Anyway, since this doesn't alarm you, I would strongly suggest you set aside about $25,000 for legal fees, in case you are wrong.

      For you lurkers, take the advice of someone who has been around the block for 30 years. Rather than take a novice's word for it, ask what went wrong and avoid doing those things. ;-)


       The receipts exist. There is enough to send Pace to CETOC in El Salvador. 

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    • Nate Marshall
      Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
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      Quote from @Deb S.:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 

      If you have to borrow money to do "no money down" investing, (which it really isn't 
      "no money down" investing, don't you think you are headed to trouble?

      By the way, doing things Morby's way will get you into trouble even if you have money. The reason you need money for Morby's "no money down" investing is to hire an attorney to explain to the state why you broke the law. You will need representation. Be smart, talk to an attorney first, tell them what you want to do and let them tell you if it's legal. It's a lot cheaper than after the fact.

       Hi Ken,

      Thank you for your response and advice. Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you mean. I wanted to sign up for the program mainly for networking purpose. Getting to meet experienced people whom I can learn from. So, I need more clarification and clear direction regarding that.


      Best,

      Ignatius.

      .

      Learning to do things the wrong way is still learning to do things, I guess.

      Here is someone doing the things Morby teaches, the way Morby teaches



      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf

       @Ken M. to be clear Cameron Jones is NOT in the paid Subto community. Please stop spreading lies. It's fine if you don't like Pace Morby or what he does/teaches but let's stick to the truth.

      Pace does NOT teach anyone to defraud homeowners. His legal documents have been drafted by his own attorney who clearly would not create invalid, unenforceable contracts. 


       You should follow Ken's advice and delete the account. Even so the DOJ will be able to find it when they send you to CETOC in El Salvador, 

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    • Ken M.
      Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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      Quote from @Nate Marshall:
      Quote from @Deb S.:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 

      If you have to borrow money to do "no money down" investing, (which it really isn't 
      "no money down" investing, don't you think you are headed to trouble?

      By the way, doing things Morby's way will get you into trouble even if you have money. The reason you need money for Morby's "no money down" investing is to hire an attorney to explain to the state why you broke the law. You will need representation. Be smart, talk to an attorney first, tell them what you want to do and let them tell you if it's legal. It's a lot cheaper than after the fact.

       Hi Ken,

      Thank you for your response and advice. Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you mean. I wanted to sign up for the program mainly for networking purpose. Getting to meet experienced people whom I can learn from. So, I need more clarification and clear direction regarding that.


      Best,

      Ignatius.

      .

      Learning to do things the wrong way is still learning to do things, I guess.

      Here is someone doing the things Morby teaches, the way Morby teaches



      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf

       @Ken M. to be clear Cameron Jones is NOT in the paid Subto community. Please stop spreading lies. It's fine if you don't like Pace Morby or what he does/teaches but let's stick to the truth.

      Pace does NOT teach anyone to defraud homeowners. His legal documents have been drafted by his own attorney who clearly would not create invalid, unenforceable contracts. 


       You should follow Ken's advice and delete the account. Even so the DOJ will be able to find it when they send you to CETOC in El Salvador, 

      .
      She seems pretty dense. Of course, greed does that to people. They lose all sense of perspective and reason.
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    • Nate Marshall
      Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
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      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Nate Marshall:
      Quote from @Deb S.:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Ignatius Okeke:

      I am interested in signing up for the Pace Morby's Subto program, anyone to help me with the discount code? 

      If you have to borrow money to do "no money down" investing, (which it really isn't 
      "no money down" investing, don't you think you are headed to trouble?

      By the way, doing things Morby's way will get you into trouble even if you have money. The reason you need money for Morby's "no money down" investing is to hire an attorney to explain to the state why you broke the law. You will need representation. Be smart, talk to an attorney first, tell them what you want to do and let them tell you if it's legal. It's a lot cheaper than after the fact.

       Hi Ken,

      Thank you for your response and advice. Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you mean. I wanted to sign up for the program mainly for networking purpose. Getting to meet experienced people whom I can learn from. So, I need more clarification and clear direction regarding that.


      Best,

      Ignatius.

      .

      Learning to do things the wrong way is still learning to do things, I guess.

      Here is someone doing the things Morby teaches, the way Morby teaches



      https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/CV2025-008402%20State%20of%20Arizona%20v.%20Cameron%20Jones%20et%20al%20FILED%20%281%29.pdf

       @Ken M. to be clear Cameron Jones is NOT in the paid Subto community. Please stop spreading lies. It's fine if you don't like Pace Morby or what he does/teaches but let's stick to the truth.

      Pace does NOT teach anyone to defraud homeowners. His legal documents have been drafted by his own attorney who clearly would not create invalid, unenforceable contracts. 


       You should follow Ken's advice and delete the account. Even so the DOJ will be able to find it when they send you to CETOC in El Salvador, 

      .
      She seems pretty dense. Of course, greed does that to people. They lose all sense of perspective and reason.

       Pace relies on people who aren't the sharpest crayon in the box. Really sad and pathetic the gator bois are! They are my forever enemy!

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  • Deb S.
    Investor · Punta Gorda, FL · Member since 2010 · 151 posts · 127 votes
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    I didn't post any 'logic' just my opinion. My opinion is not fact, it is based on my experience over the last 4+ years. You seem to want to tear apart ANYTHING to do with Pace Morby/Subto based on your other posts I've seen which also slam him and the Subto community.

    You don't know anything about me but I can tell you this: I would never participate in any community that teaches people how to commit fraud or any other type of crimes. 

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    • Ken M.
      Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Deb S.:

      I didn't post any 'logic' just my opinion. My opinion is not fact, it is based on my experience over the last 4+ years. You seem to want to tear apart ANYTHING to do with Pace Morby/Subto based on your other posts I've seen which also slam him and the Subto community.

      You don't know anything about me but I can tell you this: I would never participate in any community that teaches people how to commit fraud or any other type of crimes. 

      Your comment: "I would never participate in any community that teaches people how to commit fraud or any other type of crimes."

      Ouch! You Hurt My head!! I just gave you a prime example. Backed up by statute.

      Your Comment:      "his program is worth every dime....IF you put in the work to find deals. The community Pace has built is amazing. There are 'daily dials' that are hosted by some of the group leaders and you practice cold calling under different scenarios (seller who has no pain, seller wants too much down, seller says they're too old to do owner finance/refi, etc).

      There are daily Zooms on a variety of topics as wells just Q & A where Pace will answer any questions you have on anything you might be working on, etc. He's brought on his own attorney, another business owner who ensures if the 'due on sale' clause is triggered when buying subto that he takes care of all the paperwork with the bank and title if needed, etc.

      The knowledge sharing is like no other."

      Your Comment: "If you do decide to join, you can put my name and my email for $400 off the cost of the membership."

      This actually makes you a co-conspirator.


      Wow!
      No, Double WOW!!

      Okay, I do give up. Have fun. 

      PEOPLE WHO READ THIS, DO NOT TAKE ADVICE FROM THIS WOMAN! OR YOU WILL SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES.

      Now, she is probably a nice person, but being a nice person doesn't help you when you break the law and ignore the warnings beforehand.  

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    • Nate Marshall
      Real Estate Consultant · Evergreen, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 726 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Ken M.:
      Quote from @Deb S.:

      I didn't post any 'logic' just my opinion. My opinion is not fact, it is based on my experience over the last 4+ years. You seem to want to tear apart ANYTHING to do with Pace Morby/Subto based on your other posts I've seen which also slam him and the Subto community.

      You don't know anything about me but I can tell you this: I would never participate in any community that teaches people how to commit fraud or any other type of crimes. 

      Your comment: "I would never participate in any community that teaches people how to commit fraud or any other type of crimes."

      Ouch! You Hurt My head!! I just gave you a prime example. Backed up by statute.

      Your Comment:      "his program is worth every dime....IF you put in the work to find deals. The community Pace has built is amazing. There are 'daily dials' that are hosted by some of the group leaders and you practice cold calling under different scenarios (seller who has no pain, seller wants too much down, seller says they're too old to do owner finance/refi, etc).

      There are daily Zooms on a variety of topics as wells just Q & A where Pace will answer any questions you have on anything you might be working on, etc. He's brought on his own attorney, another business owner who ensures if the 'due on sale' clause is triggered when buying subto that he takes care of all the paperwork with the bank and title if needed, etc.

      The knowledge sharing is like no other."

      Your Comment: "If you do decide to join, you can put my name and my email for $400 off the cost of the membership."

      This actually makes you a co-conspirator.


      Wow!
      No, Double WOW!!

      Okay, I do give up. Have fun. 

      PEOPLE WHO READ THIS, DO NOT TAKE ADVICE FROM THIS WOMAN! OR YOU WILL SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES.

      Now, she is probably a nice person, but being a nice person doesn't help you when you break the law and ignore the warnings beforehand.  


       She is about as disgusting as they come. Absolute shill. Fraud! Nasty. Dumb. 

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  • Deb S.
    Investor · Punta Gorda, FL · Member since 2010 · 151 posts · 127 votes
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    @Ken M. how can you possibly know what he teaches when you're not in the community? Oh because you watched some free YouTube videos? That free information is free for a reason-it's a concept but doesn't tell you how to implement. 

    You're exhausting and I'd like for you to remove or re-word your post that is slamming my character calling me a co-conspirator and telling people they will 'suffer consequences' if they take advice from me. Clearly, this is what you get enjoyment from - attacking other people's character. 

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    • Ken M.
      Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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      Quote from @Deb S.:

      @Ken M. how can you possibly know what he teaches when you're not in the community? Oh because you watched some free YouTube videos? That free information is free for a reason-it's a concept but doesn't tell you how to implement. 

      You're exhausting and I'd like for you to remove or re-word your post that is slamming my character calling me a co-conspirator and telling people they will 'suffer consequences' if they take advice from me. Clearly, this is what you get enjoyment from - attacking other people's character. 

      .
      Yes, if someone does the things you advocate, they will get sued.

      Yes, if you are soliciting money to promote the things he does, you are a co-conspirator.

      Yes, I have seen on Morby's videos him bragging about doing these things. Being in a "special" group isn't necessary, he is very upfront about what he promotes.

      However, We can clear this up rather quickly

      Call the Attorney General and ask       if it's okay to approach someone who's house is worth $650,000 but they are in foreclosure on $375,000. You can save their house if you pay off the $375,000 and the homeowner who is in foreclosure signs over a warranty deed to you, but he gets no money and is closed outside of escrow. Then you do a 6 month lease option back to them for $500,000 with $25,000 as an option fee to you, since you deserve it because you are "helping" them. They can live in the house for the amount of the payment on $375,000 loan until the six months is up.

      If they say, "Sure, no problem" I'll apologize and you'll never hear from me again.
      If they say you can't all you have to do is stop posting that you can.

      Arizona Attorney General

      Kris Mayes

      Phoenix Office

      2005 N Central Ave
      Phoenix, AZ 85004-1545
      (602) 542-5025
      Hours: 8AM-5PM

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    • Ken M.
      Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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      Quote from @Deb S.:

      @Ken M. how can you possibly know what he teaches when you're not in the community? Oh because you watched some free YouTube videos? That free information is free for a reason-it's a concept but doesn't tell you how to implement. 

      You're exhausting and I'd like for you to remove or re-word your post that is slamming my character calling me a co-conspirator and telling people they will 'suffer consequences' if they take advice from me. Clearly, this is what you get enjoyment from - attacking other people's character. 

      I guess you are afraid to verify what should be a fairly easy question to ask. That is smart of you not to call the AG.

      What I would do in your situation is to delete the account and not admit online what you have been doing.  It can be used against you in a lawsuit.

      Deleting the account would be the smartest thing you've done all week.
      Or, you can call the Attorney General and alleviate all fear. 

      Personally, I would delete and warn everyone else.

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  • Deb S.
    Investor · Punta Gorda, FL · Member since 2010 · 151 posts · 127 votes
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    Thanks for the unsolicited advice. Hope you find something better to do with your time.

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    • Ken M.
      Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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      Quote from @Deb S.:

      Thanks for the unsolicited advice. Hope you find something better to do with your time.

      .
      By the way. did you call the AG to confirm?

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  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
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    @moderators can we close this post - its gotten out of control.

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    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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      Quote from @Chris Seveney:

      @moderators can we close this post - its gotten out of control.


      yes we know Ken and Nates position on Pace Morby its well documented :)  And Nate seems to mainly post his from my view point over the top personal opinions. Not much on real estate related specifics. Just sayin. 
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