The FLAW with BRRRR -- The 3rd 'R' - Refinance

The FLAW with BRRRR -- The 3rd 'R' - Refinance

Member since 2024 · 33 posts · 30 votes

I'm sure there is a creative workaround but the trouble I am finding with BRRRR model is the Refinancing part!! More specifically, I can't seem to refinance due to my Debt to Income ratio due in large part to BRRRR!!!!!

Facts: My net worth is about $3m. My income is about $350k. I own a car ($850 mos. payment). I have no credit card debt. I have no other debt. The only real "debt" I have is my investment properties which earn me about $75k cash flow (included within my $350k annual). Here's the problem. Due to the "magic" of real estate (i.e. depreciation, expenses etc.), on paper my properties are functioning at a loss (great for taxes, terrible for DTI). Of course with great losses, the debt side of the ledger greatly increases and substantially decreases the income side. Thus, despite two of my properties having over $1m in equity each, I can't seem to refinance to access the money for new investments due to DTI. Oh and my interest rates are 3.5 and 4.25 on the two properties, so the numbers would have to make sense.

HELOC - No. No HELOCs on investment properties I am constantly told.

CASH OUT - No. DTI

TRADITIONAL - No. DTI.

Soooooooo, why am I struggling with the third 'R' of BRRRR?

Thank you,

Dave

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Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
2y

Use a DSCR lender.

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  • Lender · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 916 posts · 647 votes
    2y

    @David Lamb first off, congrats on the net worth and income. Secondly, to keep your low first position rate, there are closed ended second position loans for you to tap into your equity. these loans are fixed terms, usually 20-30 years, at higher rates than your first but when you calculate the blended rate, the combination of first and second rates, are usually lower than a full refinance. No need for DTI, no income verification, just need to make sure the property debt covers with the first and second mortgages.

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