How I made $64,000 but had to wait 1 year to see it.

How I made $64,000 but had to wait 1 year to see it.

Investor · Crosby, TX · Member since 2014 · 124 posts · 72 votes

So here is my $64,000 story:

December 2013 my phone rang, it was a former co-worker who had fallen on hard times. He called me and asked, “are you still buying houses”? I told him yes I was, if the circumstances were right. He then proceeded to tell me that he had lost his job and he and his girlfriend were about to lose the house because the taxes had not been paid in several years. I told him I might be able to help and I would meet him the following day to look at the house and talk about how I can help.

Once I arrived at the property he told me he had several offers from those “we buy houses” people. I asked him what he was looking for and he said he was looking for a quick sell to pay off the liens and put some cash in his pocket to get back on his feet. He said that the best offer he had gotten so far was $75,000 cash. After a cup of coffee he told me they wanted at least $85,000 for the home. I told him that I would buy the house for $70,000 and he could stay there rent free for a year. How does that work, he said!

Here is how we structured the deal:

There was no mortgage on the house, they owned it free and clear.

I offered $70,000 then leased the house back to them for $1250/mo, but took 12 months’ rent off the $70,000 purchase price, which brought the sales price to $55,000. They got $55,000 – tax liens and got to live in the home for 12 months’ rent free. At closing they hugged me and told me thank you for helping them and for not making them move. They got a nice sum of money in their pocket to help them get back on their feet and I just sold the house this week, 1 year later for $135,000 cash. Final numbers are:

135,000 selling price

-55,000 purchase price

-16,000 rehab costs

Left me with $64,000 in my pocket

There were a few bumps along the way, like them subleasing a room to a guy who turned the room into a meth lab. Then there was the time the police got called because the drug dealer intentionally drowned their dog in the pool. Or when I evicted the drug dealer he screwed the doors shut and blacked out all the windows with spray paint. Not to mention the time they wanted out of the lease and wanted their money back because there was a meth lab in my house.

Here are a few things I learned along the way:

Cash is king.

Be respectful, always treat people the way you want to be treated; the next person who falls on hard times may be you.

Be honest about your intentions with the property.

Be creative, like letting them stay there for a length of time to get their life back in order.

Enforce your contract, I would not let them out of their lease, it’s legal and binding.

Have no mercy with street pharmacists; involve law enforcement as soon as possible.

Tell people what you do, this was a word of mouth deal, I was contacted because he knew I was one of those “we buy houses” people.

Thoughts, comments or questions? I'd really like to hear other peoples creative deals or deal ideas.

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Investor · Quebec, Canada · Member since 2014 · 52 posts · 28 votes
11y

Nice story but there's one thing I don't get... you tell them you are buying the house for 70K AND they stay rent free for one year... so how can you reduce the rent from the purchase price ? They actually ARE paying the rent, and ONE YEAR AHEAD on top of that... doesnt look that 'nice' to me... 

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  • John HornerPro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Columbus, OH · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 655 votes
    11y

    There were a few bumps along the way, like them subleasing a room to a guy who turned the room into a meth lab. 

    Great story and way to be patient, yeah I would say a meth lab would be a tiny bump :)

  • Specialist · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 639 posts · 176 votes
    11y

    Congratulations, well played!

  • Jean BolgerPro Member
    Aurora, CO · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Awesome! you sound like a resourceful guy who can think creatively and roll with the 'bumps'

  • Real Estate Investor · Prince Geroge's County, MD · Member since 2012 · 392 posts · 104 votes
    11y

    Great story,  good job. 

  • Involved In Real Estate · Hyattsville , MD · Member since 2011 · 298 posts · 256 votes
    11y

    Congrats - I have 2 very dumb questions so pardon my ignorance.

    1. Didn't you pay any transfer, recordation, taxes to buy? Didn't you pay the closing costs to sell?

    2.  What would have happened if after the year your friend decided not to move? They already got liens paid and money in pocket no incentive to leave.

  • Investor · Crosby, TX · Member since 2014 · 124 posts · 72 votes
    11y

    Hi @Ophelia Nicholson , great questions. To answer your 1st question, there was no mortgage on the property, the occupants owned it free and clear. I purchased the property with cash so the closing costs were only a few hundred bucks, around $750 if I remember correctly. Title insurance was $500 and I think there were some other miscellaneous items also, like county recording fees and such, all together i know it was less than $1,000 in closing costs. All the liens were paid out of the $55,000 sales price, the total amount of cash to the seller was approx $25,000, so there was around $30,000 worth of liens. To answer your second question, once the property was sold and the deed transferred to my name, we signed a 1 year lease agreement, i think some call it a lease back. I made it very clear that I did not intend to renew the lease once the one year lease period expired. If after the 1 year they decided not to move, i would have started the eviction process. If they refused to sign the lease agreement after closing, I would have started the eviction process the next day, either way they would not have been allowed to live in my house for free. Thanks!

  • Investor · Crosby, TX · Member since 2014 · 124 posts · 72 votes
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    @Ophelia Nicholson, I dug up my HUD Settlement Statement on the property from Jan 15, 2014, my exact closing costs were $1071.55.

  • Real Estate Investor · Lansdowne, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 656 votes
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    Originally posted by @Chris McDaniel:

    So here is my $64,000 story:

    December 2013 my phone rang, it was a former co-worker who had fallen on hard times. He called me and asked, “are you still buying houses”? I told him yes I was, if the circumstances were right. He then proceeded to tell me that he had lost his job and he and his girlfriend were about to lose the house because the taxes had not been paid in several years. I told him I might be able to help and I would meet him the following day to look at the house and talk about how I can help.

    Once I arrived at the property he told me he had several offers from those “we buy houses” people. I asked him what he was looking for and he said he was looking for a quick sell to pay off the liens and put some cash in his pocket to get back on his feet. He said that the best offer he had gotten so far was $75,000 cash. After a cup of coffee he told me they wanted at least $85,000 for the home. I told him that I would buy the house for $70,000 and he could stay there rent free for a year. How does that work, he said!

    Here is how we structured the deal:

    There was no mortgage on the house, they owned it free and clear.

    I offered $70,000 then leased the house back to them for $1250/mo, but took 12 months’ rent off the $70,000 purchase price, which brought the sales price to $55,000. They got $55,000 – tax liens and got to live in the home for 12 months’ rent free. At closing they hugged me and told me thank you for helping them and for not making them move. They got a nice sum of money in their pocket to help them get back on their feet and I just sold the house this week, 1 year later for $135,000 cash. Final numbers are:

    135,000 selling price

    -55,000 purchase price

    -16,000 rehab costs

    Left me with $64,000 in my pocket

    There were a few bumps along the way, like them subleasing a room to a guy who turned the room into a meth lab. Then there was the time the police got called because the drug dealer intentionally drowned their dog in the pool. Or when I evicted the drug dealer he screwed the doors shut and blacked out all the windows with spray paint. Not to mention the time they wanted out of the lease and wanted their money back because there was a meth lab in my house.

    Here are a few things I learned along the way:

    Cash is king.

    Be respectful, always treat people the way you want to be treated; the next person who falls on hard times may be you.

    Be honest about your intentions with the property.

    Be creative, like letting them stay there for a length of time to get their life back in order.

    Enforce your contract, I would not let them out of their lease, it’s legal and binding.

    Have no mercy with street pharmacists; involve law enforcement as soon as possible.

    Tell people what you do, this was a word of mouth deal, I was contacted because he knew I was one of those “we buy houses” people.

    Thoughts, comments or questions? I'd really like to hear other peoples creative deals or deal ideas.

    Great strategy and equally so on how you handled the boulders in the road during the leasing period. 

    Kudos,

    Mary

  • Edgewood, MD · Member since 2014 · 79 posts · 17 votes
    11y

    Great story. At the end of the day everyone needs a roof over their head. Glad to see things worked out. Fortunately you didn't lose the house because of the meth lab. Some states and counties will condemn properties used as meth labs for environmental reasons.

  • Realtor · Paterson, NJ · Member since 2014 · 61 posts · 12 votes
    11y

    Great Story, congrats! ????

  • McLean, VA · Member since 2013 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    11y

    This is a great story. One question: I'm not understanding how the rent-free (their benefit) and the lowering your purchase price (your benefit) was mutually beneficial. Would you mind informing me what I am missing? I think I am just not understanding how the $15k price reduction turned into free rent for them.

    Thanks in advance!

  • Investor · King of Prussia, PA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 339 votes
    11y

    Very creative and interesting. Thanks for sharing and congrats!

  • Investor · Crosby, TX · Member since 2014 · 124 posts · 72 votes
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    @Calvin Elston it was beneficial to them because they did not have to produce the cash every month to pay rent, and got to stay in the house for a year. Their job situation was sketchy at best. It was beneficial to me because I was able to get 1 year of rent payments in the form of a discounted purchase price which meant less cash out of my pocket. So it wasn't really rent free, it was rent free in the fact they did not have to make monthly rent payments to me, which they were overjoyed about. 

  • Hanford, CA · Member since 2013 · 5k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Awesome out of the box thinking! Great way to "treat others how you want to be treated" while stilling treating it like a business. 

  • Investor · Quebec, Canada · Member since 2014 · 52 posts · 28 votes
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    Nice story but there's one thing I don't get... you tell them you are buying the house for 70K AND they stay rent free for one year... so how can you reduce the rent from the purchase price ? They actually ARE paying the rent, and ONE YEAR AHEAD on top of that... doesnt look that 'nice' to me... 

  • McLean, VA · Member since 2013 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    11y
    Originally posted by @Chris McDaniel:

    @Calvin Elston it was beneficial to them because they did not have to produce the cash every month to pay rent, and got to stay in the house for a year. Their job situation was sketchy at best. It was beneficial to me because I was able to get 1 year of rent payments in the form of a discounted purchase price which meant less cash out of my pocket. So it wasn't really rent free, it was rent free in the fact they did not have to make monthly rent payments to me, which they were overjoyed about. 

    Okay, so you basically said to them, "You can live here for 12 months without actually paying monthly rent but you have to agree to sell the house to me for $15k less than you're asking for it." So, they actually "paid" for their time in the house, just not by using "their own" money. That makes sense?

    Regarding the lease you both signed, you agreed on $1,250 per month, but there was no actual money exchanging hands each month. Does this not matter so long as both parties are satisfied? I suppose nothing would happen until one party decided to suit the other for some violation of the agreement, which wouldn't occur over rent because you got the discounted purchase price and because they don't have to produce monthly rent. 

    Sound right?

    Thanks again!

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · The Woodlands, TX · Member since 2015 · 109 posts · 40 votes
    11y

    Smart...thanks for sharing.

  • Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2013 · 123 posts · 48 votes
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    Why wouldn't they have gone with the $75,000 offer?  That's $5,000 more than you offered them.  

    Did they prefer your offer because you allowed them to stay there an extra year, and they valued that more than the $5,000 difference?

  • J ScottPro Member
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    Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Ophelia Nicholson:

    1. Didn't you pay any transfer, recordation, taxes to buy? Didn't you pay the closing costs to sell?

    Not sure if you've purchased/sold properties outside of Maryland in the past, but it's substantially more expensive to close a transaction here than in much of the country (most states don't have transfer taxes, and certainly not at 2% of the sale price).  Not to mention, title insurance is expensive here as well.

    Maryland is just crazy, ridiculous expensive for some reason...

  • Member since 2011 · 41 posts · 11 votes
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    Originally posted by @Chris McDaniel:

    I told him that I would buy the house for $70,000 and he could stay there rent free for a year. 

    I’m confused.. If you purchased the house for $70k AND they stayed there for a year rent free (valued @ $15k) they should have been coming out $85k ahead. Instead they came out with $70k total ($55k for the house and 1 year free rent)

    Basically you bought a house for $70k and then had a tenant for a year who paid you $1250 a month which “lowers” your purchase price if you want to look at it that way. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Germantown, MD · Member since 2014 · 5 posts · 1 vote
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    I loved your creativity in making sure both your needs were met. Your friends got to stay in their home, and you got a good deal. Great job! Thanks for sharing!

  • Fort Collins, CO · Member since 2013 · 1 post · 0 votes
    11y

    Did you really lease a house without a legal lease that actually protected you?  

    any good lease would legally provide for no subleasing, drug use etc, and give you rite to evict and have financial penalties in the event either of those occurred.

    Meth lab would require professional detox of the house, and as it gets into the walls,

    I don't know how you could sell the house after disclosing.

  • Investor · Crosby, TX · Member since 2014 · 124 posts · 72 votes
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    @Andrew Kniffin it was worth the $5,000 because I allowed them to stay. The house was around 1800sq/ft  with a 2 car detached garage. It was piled up with their belongings. The others investors wanted them out as soon as possible. They told me later that my offer was by far the best even though it was not the highest dollar amount. The one year allowed them to get back on their feet, find a job and transpiration and out some cash in their pocket. If they wanted more for the house they could have listed it with a realtor, but chose not to because of the time frame they had to work with. 

  • Investor · Crosby, TX · Member since 2014 · 124 posts · 72 votes
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    Originally posted by @Chris McDaniel:

    @Andrew Kniffin it was worth the $5,000 because I allowed them to stay. The house was around 1800sq/ft  with a 2 car detached garage. It was piled up with their belongings. The others investors wanted them out as soon as possible. They told me later that my offer was by far the best even though it was not the highest dollar amount. The one year allowed them to get back on their feet, find a job and transpiration and out some cash in their pocket. If they wanted more for the house they could have listed it with a realtor, but chose not to because of the time frame they had to work with. 

    Correction: ..put some cash in their pocket.  Pardon the mistake, I'm on a mobile device. 

  • Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2013 · 123 posts · 48 votes
    11y

    Interesting.  Congrats, @Chris McDaniel.  Sounds like a great deal for you.  Way to be creative and create a win-win for both parties. 

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