How I use creative financing to get my first 6 units.

How I use creative financing to get my first 6 units.

Residential Real Estate Agent · Paterson, NJ · Member since 2013 · 78 posts · 42 votes

Lately I've been going to more real estate meet ups in my local area, and I'v notice a shift change in my presence. When I first started going before I did any deals, I was always the guy asking questions, trying to pick all the experience out people's brain as I could. Now lately when I have been attending I started to notice that I was telling my story to a lot of new guys who want to get started. Then I realized that there was value in my real estate experience, no matter how much or little I had. Which lead me to want to share on bigger pockets because I'm sure some one would be able to take something from my story. 

I'll just jump right into the first deal. I've known since I was in college that real estate was the place I wanted to be. I was fascinated by the idea of owning a property and having some one pay you to live there and you make money at the end of every month for providing housing and keeping them happy. I've always wondered how does an inner city kid like myself with no money, or family or friends to get help from in this space get started. The first thing I did was turn to books, I began reading everything I could find on real estate to build a knowledge base of the field. Then I started speaking to people that seemed like they could guide me in the right direction. I ended up sitting down with a mortgage broker because I found out that having the money lined up or being able to buy was most important. During our conversation he told me about a program that would allow me to purchase a property with only 3.5% down. From there I had goal in mind and it was my focus for the next few month. I was able to land a job teaching right out of college and I went back home with mom. I paid my mother $300 a month and saved everything else that I could in order to get the down payment money I needed to buy my first house. I saved up $15,000 and bought my first 3 family home just a year after graduating collage. 

Now I am in the game, I'm 24 years old, I own a home and I'm a landlord. The FHA loan is a great way for beginners to get started, the only problem is that this trick only works once. Even with the additional income from the house, it would still take me a substantial amount of time to save up 20%-30% down for another property. Back to the drawing board, I'm reading books and calling mortgage brokers all over the state to see what I can do to get around such a large down payment. I start to get the feeling that there is no hope as the months go by and my bank account is not growing fast enough, especially with all the un expected expenses for the house and evictions with tenants which I can cover at another time if anyone is interested. In my time of desperation, I hear something about an educational program (which I will not disclose right now) that help beginners grow their real estate business. I'll keep this part short, lets just say that program was very expensive and I didn't have the money to pay for it. But these guys are smart and they know that many people would come across this problem, so they actually have a department to help people increase their credit card limits to be able to afford it. In just a week I was able to increase my total credit limit on 2 cards from $5,000 to $35,000. Through speaking with the credit card company call receivers, I discover a way to get that credit transferred to my bank account interest free for and extended period of time. Now I'm left with an ultimatum, I either spend this money on an expensive educational course or use this money to go fund my next deal and get real time experience. Now I've already been looking for a deal even though I did not have the funds. This $35,000 on top of what I already had saved put me in perfect position to buy my next deal, all I had to do was let the money get seasoned for 3 months and it was game on. This deal also had plenty of unforeseen circumstances which also can be tabled for another discussion. To keep this story short, after being under contract for 10 months, I closed on my second 3 family house. Ill give you some brief numbers on this deal an how it worked out. Total income on the house was $3,000 a month and the expenses are around $1500. I was also able to pay the credit card payments from the cash-flow of the house. I would put $500 towards the cards and $1000 in the bank for emergencies every month. Now I am in the process of doing a cash out refinance to pay the cards off.

Obviously there are a lot more details that goes in to both stories but you get the picture. A lot of people told me I was crazy to do that because of how risky it is especially with the high credit card interest or paying PMI on and FHA loan. But these are some of the same people with the same dreams as me, yet I now own 6 units and they own none. If you are going to be cheap or scared to take a risk, then maybe real estate is not for you. With every win, there are going to be loses but most importantly, experience is being gained. I always tell people do whatever it is you have to do in order to get started. It may not be the way I did it or any body else, it may be more risky or safer; but get started, slow progress is better then no progress and some money is better then no money.

Dashon Jones

Multifamily Investor

NJ Realtor 


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Flipper · The Colony, TX · Member since 2014 · 15 posts · 25 votes
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@Brian Gibbons @Dashon Jones

Come on Brian,

You don't have to try and belittle Dashon because you are so much more experienced than him. You sound very condescending and not very encouraging.

Dashon made a deal! Better than I can say for me. For us new investors trying to get our foot in the door, it can be really de motivating to hear someone like you talking down to him.

I think the purpose of these forums are to encourage each other to succeed. 

Maybe nexttime think about positively how to encourage new guys like us.

I for one would appreciate it.

Great job Dashon! I am truly happy for you. Every success story I hear gives me more courage to take a step forward.

Rock on!

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  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Paterson, NJ · Member since 2013 · 78 posts · 42 votes
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    @Joshua D.  I took your advice from the podcast to share my story. Hopefully it helps someone. 

  • Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2008 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    @Dashon Jones I don't know how this is "creative finance"; it looks like an ad for getting credit lines on credit cards.

    Looks like the terms "seller carry, lease w option, seller financing, subject to existing financing, and master lease options" escapes your knowledge base.

    Putting yourself at risk like you are talking about is in my opinion dangerous, just sayin' 

    Don't mind me, I just have 30 yrs experience in Rei.

    @John Jackson what do you think?

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Paterson, NJ · Member since 2013 · 78 posts · 42 votes
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    @Brian Gibbons Thank you for your feedback. In your 30 years of experience I am sure you have a solid system or foundation to run your business, which I am sure I will have as well when get there. As I said in my post I am still new and I got started as I could. This is not something that is considered to be a long term strategy. Maybe these were not the "best"ways to obtain the properties but they worked for me and I am pleased with the results. I considered it be creative because I was able to make the deal happen. Just because it is not one of the traditional ones that you named doesn't make me wrong, you are entitled to your opinion. The purpose of this post was for people to not limit them selves and to inspire them to get started. Once again, I never said do what I did, I said get started and thats the message I am looking to send. 

  • Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2008 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    @dashon 

    @Dashon Jones 

    Being an action taker is great, I would rather you invest a few hundred dollars in @Ben Leybovich s course in multis

    Best inexpensive course on multis IMHO

    Hope you don't see a ch 7 attorney :)

  • Flipper · The Colony, TX · Member since 2014 · 15 posts · 25 votes
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    @Brian Gibbons @Dashon Jones

    Come on Brian,

    You don't have to try and belittle Dashon because you are so much more experienced than him. You sound very condescending and not very encouraging.

    Dashon made a deal! Better than I can say for me. For us new investors trying to get our foot in the door, it can be really de motivating to hear someone like you talking down to him.

    I think the purpose of these forums are to encourage each other to succeed. 

    Maybe nexttime think about positively how to encourage new guys like us.

    I for one would appreciate it.

    Great job Dashon! I am truly happy for you. Every success story I hear gives me more courage to take a step forward.

    Rock on!

  • Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2008 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    @John Kim 

    to do a smart deal and not endanger yourself is key in REI

    Cash or terms, low cash or great terms.  I see this deal  as "getting a deal for a deals sake" and paying too much.

    You make your profit at the purchase 

  • Madison Heights, MI · Member since 2014 · 471 posts · 132 votes
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    Credit cards are one of the best ways to finance a home, IMO, if the promotional balance transfer rates are utilized. I have one home that I financed mostly with credit cards. I just pay the minimum amount at 0% and pay a small balance transfer fee each time I transfer at the end of the promotional period.

  • Birmingham, AL · Member since 2012 · 115 posts · 28 votes
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    @Brian Gibbons You definitely sound like you are belittling @Dashon Jones .

    I am a up and coming investor myself and I'm sure I could learn a lot from someone like yourself but like @John Kim said, we come here to encourage and be encouraged. While Dashon's method is probably not something I would personally do or build a business model behind, it sounds like he did what he thought he needed to do to get in the game and this time it worked well for him. Congrats Dashon and on to the next one!

  • Investor · Pittsburgh, PA · Member since 2014 · 68 posts · 12 votes
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    love the story Dashon. Thanks for posting it.

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Paterson, NJ · Member since 2013 · 78 posts · 42 votes
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    @John Kim  & @Marcus Kennedy 

    Thank you for coming to my defense. I too thought the comment was a bit over the top coming from a mentor in the industry, however, I do not fault @Brian Gibbons for his feelings. I just think the delivery could have been more pleasant in the first comment. 

    As I already mentioned, I do understand that this is not a long term investment strategy but it did provide me the means I needed to get rolling in real-estate. I'm glad that you gentlemen saw the post for what it was. It was really encouraging to read your comments because this was my first time posting my story and to have that as my initial feedback was really a blow to the gut. I was really considering never posting again, but you guys showed me that my experience is worth sharing. From what I hear, it  is really difficult to obtain mortgages these days, and if our bank accounts are not flush with cash, then we need to be as creative as possible until it is. 

    Also @Brian Gibbons I did say that deal was $1,000 a month cash flow positive even after paying all expenses and the credit card payments with a 0% interest rate (cheaper then any other lender I've spoken to, hard money, private money or any money lol). At that rate what would the numbers have to look like to actually be a deal in your eyes?

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Paterson, NJ · Member since 2013 · 78 posts · 42 votes
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    @Wilson Churchill 

    Yea I agree, I thought I was being quite savvy when I discovered this as a way to do the deal and it actually worked. And as you said, its so easy to get another promotional period or balance transfer at 0%, I thought the risk were well worth taking. I'm actually in the process of my end game which is doing a cash out refinance to pay the cards off, which essentially wraps all the debt up into a mortgage and my payments only increase like $150. 

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Paterson, NJ · Member since 2013 · 78 posts · 42 votes
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    @Mhamed Channaj 

    No problem. Im really loving the how active this site is. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Oklahoma City, OK · Member since 2014 · 39 posts · 4 votes
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    Thanks for sharing how you got started Dashon. Certainly don't let the criticism above bother you at all. It's easy for a veteran in the business to say the way they do things is better than how you're doing it. Well Duh! As you've probably seen, this kind of negative post is rare here on BP. But we all have to start somewhere. I'm just starting myself and plan to use an FHA and a VA loan (and credit cards) for my first two MF properties. I'll take advantage of these great programs, then move on to more creative ways - which sounds a lot like your path. I look forward to hearing more about how your deals are going. Keep at it!

  • Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2008 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    @Dashon Jones 

    I love to congratulate people who do well.

    @Brandon Turner wrote a book on Creative Financing which I think is a good read.

    I have a blog here on BP, one of the oldest http://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/3-reiskills-and... Make Money without Banks or Credit.  

    @Ben Leybovich has a course that is awesome for Multis http://justaskbenwhy.com/videos/

    My WARNING to you was credit card advances COULD get you in hot water.

    Now please learn OPM, or Other People's Money or Credit, and spread your liability.

    Private Lenders - SDIRAs, JV Partnerships, Syndications, etc.

    Best of Luck!

    Brian

  • Washington, DC · Member since 2015 · 24 posts · 7 votes
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    Great job on getting out there and getting started. Keep going! @Dashon Jones 

  • Fresno, CA · Member since 2015 · 70 posts · 18 votes
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    A win is a win, not to necessarily be defined by those (readers of this post) without all details.  If he wanted to ahve his deal analyzed he would have posted it in the appropriate forum.

    I applaud you for taking that risk and jumping in that some can't or won't.  CONGRATS!  

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2014 · 13 posts · 9 votes
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    Thanks for sharing Dashon. I'm not to far from this story as I have just graduated college, living at home, and saving money like crazy to get my first unit! Keep it up.

  • Lender · NY / FL · Member since 2013 · 240 posts · 44 votes
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    @Dashon Jones thanks for sharing. I think 0% credit cards are a great tool if you can leverage them safely. 

    Did the utilization of the credit cards hurt you in any way when going for the cash out refi?

    Some others have raised the issue of these advances technically being borrowed money, so anything in the loan app against this? Like them questioning if your down payment is borrowed, or did the seasoning take care of that?

    Regardless congrats on making it happen. 

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Paterson, NJ · Member since 2013 · 78 posts · 42 votes
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    @Shane Kalepp 

    Congrats on graduating. To me it is the smartest thing to do. I say sacrifice the a year to save up instead of jumping into a rental to pay someone else's mortgage. I look forward to hearing your success story.

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Paterson, NJ · Member since 2013 · 78 posts · 42 votes
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    @Nick G. 

    I was aware of the seasoning period prior to me getting the idea because I had called so many bank and asked so many questions, With that being said, I did not go to the bank to apply for the mortgage until the 3 months were up because I knew they would question it. Technically you, aren't suppose to use debt to borrow debt (mortgage). 

    The back fire to what I did which I also found a way to smooth out is that it took me 10 months to actually close on the property which was 7 months later then I anticipated and my 0% interest was only set at 15 months. So 10 months plus the 3 month seasoning period didn't give me much time to breather interest free. But I ended up rolling most of that into another 0% interest promotion to buy me more time to do the refinance; which I'm am actually getting the appraisal for that tomorrow morning. 

  • Wholesaler · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2013 · 84 posts · 14 votes
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    Thanks for sharing @Dashon Jones . I think the moral of the story here is to get started. 

  • Developer · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 902 votes
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    Brandon Turner has done the same thing with credit cards. While he doesn't advocate it, it's a means to an end. Congratulations!!!

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Paterson, NJ · Member since 2013 · 78 posts · 42 votes
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    @Nick G. 

    The only draw back to the cards is not being able to predict the future. When I first came up with the plan, I was already planning on holding the property for a year before being able to do the cash out refinance. What I did not predict was the deal taking 10 months to actually close. I had a 15 month 0% interest promotion and knew that I needed at least 3 months of seasoning before even applying for the mortgage so that no questions or red flags would be raised. Technically you are not suppose to use debt to borrow debt (the mortgage), being that the money was in my account for 3 months already, they just considered it mine. The problem is when they see the huge deposit.  ( out of site, out of mind)

    I only planned on paying the actual interest rate of card for a few months, but being that the deal took so long and my clock on the money was going the whole time. By time I closed, I was only at 0% interest for 2 out of the 12 months I planned. I was able to rectify this by rolling most of that over to another card at 0% interest for another 12 months which bought me more time to do the cash out refi which I am actually having the appraisal done for tomorrow. 

  • Flipper · The Colony, TX · Member since 2014 · 15 posts · 25 votes
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    Dashon,

    I am trying to figure out how to find deals.

    If you don't mind sharing, how did you find the deal ?

  • Real Estate Consultant · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 720 posts · 439 votes
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    @Dashon Jones , congrats on getting started. You were willing to move in with mom for 9 months to learn investing hands on and took the steps to increase your credit lines on your credit card and move that money around.

    90% of people have more resources than you and never pull the trigger. You do! As you love the game, you'll learn to become more creative, your last line in your original post shows that you are already thinking of the next property!

    Way to go!

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