170% Cash on Cash Return! THAT JUST HAPPENED!

170% Cash on Cash Return! THAT JUST HAPPENED!

Investor · Gaithersburg, MD · Member since 2013 · 660 posts · 441 votes

So before people get on me about bragging, please notice I did put this into the real estate success stories forum :). We are buying our 10th property (a milestone by itself), but the real story here is the numbers. I'm constantly surprised with what's out there. Where did we find this one? The REO list from our bank. I'm also posting this because I want to show people that fantastic deals are out there.

The numbers are really insane. Below is what we're looking at.:
-- Area: OK. Not great, but not bad either, but OK areas is where we typically invest.
-- Purchase Price: $37,000
-- Down Payment: 5%
-- Property Management: 10% fee monthly
-- Rent: $750/month (You are reading that correctly).
-- Taxes: $900/year
-- Insurance: $300/year
-- Vacancy Rate: 0% (It's already rented upon purchase)
-- Money put into it: $0 (Upon inspection there is nothing for us to do).

Here are the results from my analysis spreadsheet:
Cash on Cash Return: 170.15%
Debt Coverage Ratio: 2.378
Vacancy Breakeven: 44.43%
Operating Expense Ratio: 23.33%
BreakEven Ratio: 55.57%

Capitalization Rate: 18.65%
Gross Rent Multiplier: 4.111
Net Income Multiplier: 5.362
LTV Ratio: 95.00%
Monthly Rent to Value %: 2.03%

Cash Flow: $331.20/month - The amazing thing about this number is it's WITH a property manager taking 10%.
5-year IRR (using 2% appreciation): 175%
10-year IRR (using 2% appreciation): 172%
Present Value: $11,678
Net Present Value: $9,328
Profitability Index: 4.97

Before anyone starts to say how a price this low isn't somewhere they want to be, listen to this. It's a 1,200 sq/ft 3 bedroom, 1 bath house. It's a typical SFR. I happen to invest in MS where prices are lower than most other places in the country. The house is in great shape, already rented, and we have to put $0 into it. Anyway, just felt like tooting my own horn for 5 minutes :)

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Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2008 · 18k+ posts · 17k+ votes
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Originally posted by @Justin B.:
Originally posted by @John Thedford:

I see a problem with the numbers as well. Until you calculate vacancies, maintenance, CapEx, etc you don't have a true picture of your returns. Also, as other mentioned, what about closing costs?

There is no problem with the numbers. This is an SFR, so when it goes vacant, it's 100% vacant. Again, I could put an estimate of vacancy but I chose not to because it's currently rented and not vacant. When I first evaluate properties (what I call my 5 minute analysis), I use 10% as a vacancy rate, $50/month per $1,000/month rent (Over the years I've found that to be very accurate). All the other expenses I have (Taxes, Insurance, PM) are pretty easy to get accurate up front. Even at that, the numbers still blow me away.

I think John's point was that you're leaving several expenses out of your cash flow equation. When you are inaccurate with your cash flow, your cash on cash return is going to be inaccurate as well. Your true cash flow, and resulting cash on cash return, will be lower once you factor in things like vacancy, maintenance, Capex, etc.

Not factoring in longer term expenses into your cash flow and CoC is like claiming that your meal is free because the waiter hasn't brought you the bill yet.

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  • Dawn AnastasiPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    Congrats!

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
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    5% down on a rental, and no closing costs?

  • Investor · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2015 · 4 posts · 0 votes
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    Nice job
  • Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 619 posts · 128 votes
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    What kind of investor loan did you get for only 5% downpayment?

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    @Justin B.

      by MS do you mean Mississippi ?  or is it by were you live in Maryland .. did the bank that owned it finance it for you with these special terms ?

  • Investor · Roanoke, VA · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 374 votes
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    nice job @Justin B.

     keep up the good work

  • Atlanta, GA · Member since 2014 · 240 posts · 130 votes
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    Josh here from Atlanta. Cheers on the good deal!

    And yes, we all want to know how you managed to put 5% down without closing costs. Do share!

    I wish you all the best with your new venture.

  • Sharad M.Pro Member
    Carlsbad, CA · Member since 2010 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Justin B.

    Congrats on your deal!

    You cash on cash return that you have is your best case scenario. You aren't factoring for any repairs and maintenance or any vacancies. You don't have any vacancy or any repairs right now, but it's only a matter of time that you will have those expenses and it's better to factor for those expenses.

    It's great that you are able to get a loan with no closing cost and 5% down payment.

  • Real Estate Investor · Lake Charles, LA · Member since 2009 · 271 posts · 52 votes
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    howd u get an REO with only putting down only 5% unless I'm reading it wrong? All REOs are cash only no financing

  • Contractor · Rockville, MD · Member since 2014 · 423 posts · 135 votes
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    Congrats @Justin B.!!! Can't wait to hear about it on Tuesday.

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
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    @Stephen Moore REO's aren't cash only. They're like any other property, cash is always preferred and if they're in bad condition, cash only or 203k.  I just don't get the 5% down.

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2014 · 517 posts · 106 votes
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    Sounds great! Share with the newbies how to access the bank REOs and how you make the offer. 

  • Investor · Clairemont, CA · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    Congrats, I personally would factor your vacancy/repairs into any sort of "pro-forma" return. Now if this was looking back over the last year then that would just happen to be what you did for the year and nothing wrong with that. Either way the numbers look great.

    @Stephen Moore not sure where you're getting that from, the vast majority of REO's sell to retail buyers with financing. The cash only no financing sales are a few really distressed assets, or ones that have been sitting and an investor thinks that will motivate the sale from the bank.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    @Matt Devincenzo

      not sure we are all on the same page.. the majority of distressed asset sell for cash.

    at least in my circles

  • Investor · Clairemont, CA · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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    @Jay Hinrichs

    agreed, the question is what number of REO's are actually in a physically distressed condition. In my looking at properties the days of REO listings being full of properties in significant physical distress are gone for now. I see quite a few that have been "builder grade" fixed up where they can qualify for most financing, and many more that have some general distress, but not enough to prevent conventional financing. Which was why I responded to the "All REOs are cash only no financing".

    I'm not an active agent nor a full time RE guy though, so maybe from someone with that perspective it's different. But I've seen many of those properties I've looked at close to a retail financed buyer. Definitely more than half, which would qualify as the majority. 

  • Investor · Whitttier, CA · Member since 2015 · 405 posts · 110 votes
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    Great Great. Congratz. We can all be so luck right? ;)

  • Laurel, MD · Member since 2014 · 75 posts · 17 votes
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    @Justin B., way to go man!  Not only for this incredible deal but for the nine others as wel! I too am VERY interested in the 5% down though.  All I keep hearing from lenders Is 20% down for investment properties.  If you or anyone else has a lead on 5%, 10% or even 15% money I would love to hear it!  Please do share if you would.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Naperville, IL · Member since 2014 · 83 posts · 12 votes
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    Dang that's awesome!! Congrats :) low investment with great return. I like!!!!
  • Investor · Laurel, MD · Member since 2014 · 251 posts · 140 votes
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    Good job! But I'll do you one better. ;-)  Purchase price 29,000 put 4,000 into it. So $33,000 all together.

    Monthly rent: $1200 

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
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    I see a problem with the numbers as well. Until you calculate vacancies, maintenance, CapEx, etc you don't have a true picture of your returns. Also, as other mentioned, what about closing costs?

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    Personally don't place value on cash on cash because you can play games to get big numbers @Justin B.That is ok though because there are plenty of big players that do.

    What is important IMO is the return on the entire investment because you can go negative equity in a heart beat.

  • Rental Property Investor · Billerica, MA · Member since 2015 · 75 posts · 10 votes
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    That is great news!  I am absolutely interested on how to only put 5% down!  I'll be in heaven if I can go that route!  Please do tell.

  • Investor · MD · Member since 2015 · 208 posts · 32 votes
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    @Justin B.

     Congratulations neighbor! I'm new so I'd like to know more about the 5% deal. Mississippii house prices are amazing compared to here in Maryland. Great job!

  • Investor · Gaithersburg, MD · Member since 2013 · 660 posts · 441 votes
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    Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

    5% down on a rental, and no closing costs?

    since it's REO they are minimal. it's just an in house evaluation as opposed to a full appraisal. It's only a few hundred bucks and that is calculated into my ConC return. Otherwise looking at just the down payment, it's 212% :)

  • Investor · Gaithersburg, MD · Member since 2013 · 660 posts · 441 votes
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    Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

    5% down on a rental, and no closing costs?

    Closing costs are a few hundred bucks and they are calculated.  For all those asking about the 5% down, yes, 5% down is what we typically get.  When we first started out we were paying 15-20% down, but we have worked our way to 5% down.  We just asked for it and got it starting with about our 5th or 6th property.

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