Closing on first flip, 2nd flip under contract - Chicago land area Dupage county

Closing on first flip, 2nd flip under contract - Chicago land area Dupage county

Investor · Madison, WI · Member since 2015 · 128 posts · 33 votes

Hello to all!  ....It's lengthy

#Biggerpockets has been an awesome resource for me for the last few months while getting into REI.

When I sign up on a forum (any forum) I get really hyped up on how I am going to be active and contribute and so on. Well I have consistently NOT done that. I'm more of a lurker who chimes in once in awhile. I'm learning the more active i am in this business (Not just BP but the entire real estate realm) the more I get in return...as in return of knowledge, contacts, network, friends, wisdom. 

So to kick things off, of me attempting to be more active...

With Jack n Coke at my side, I am starting a success story thread of my first 2 properties..lets start from the beginning...

January 4, 2015: Currently living in Wisconsin with intentions to flip properties in the Chicago land area. Find a property on the mls (reo) in Westmont, IL (suburb of). I like the deal and think it will be great (lol @ me). Asking $155,000. After a lot of back and forth, offer accepted at $136,000. On the side I get wind of this thing called 'wholesaling' through this site. I met with a wholesaler and agreed on a price for a suburban home of his located in Aurora, IL.

January 21, 2015-Back to the land of my birth! Chicago!! (I really love this city if you couldnt tell)  I move in with my sister who has a vacant room in her condo in Lombard, IL. 

At this point I have the Westmont condo under contract as well as the Aurora home under contract. I will keep the Aurora story short. I was hyped up looking at the number presented to my by the wholesaler. Once I got a few contractors in there i saw the SOW was 2x the wholesaler estimation.  Backed out, that deal was dead.

I started looking for another property and again through the MLS my agent found a townhouse (reo) in Glendale Heights that seemed promising. Well after the offer was accepted the closing process was seamless! Went very smooth. I was able to find, offer, close on this one before the westmont condo even had a solid closing date.

Townhouse-

2 Bed 2.5 Bath 1200sq ft
Asking 99.9k
Accepted 100.5k

walkthrough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgTS2F0p3KU

This checked off everything I was looking for in my first flip. Easy, simple, mostly cosmetic. I'm pretty handy myself so this one looked like one I could pretty much take on my self. I know down the road I wont be doing it my self but sometimes I like learning the hard way, I think it gives you wisdom in that particular field to have gone through it. 

After about 4 weeks of grinding I was ready to list the property. The only work I contracted out was the flooring. The tiles in the bathroom and the flooring on the 1st level was done by a single person in about a week. Good guy, I like him. 

So at this point I bought it for 100,500. Invested around 15,000 into it. (Not all 15k was into it, a good amount was for first time purchase of tools like wrenches, saws, power tools ect)

All in: $115,500
Listing price $159,900
Accepted: $149,000 with the terms of offering a home warranty and changing out the fogged glass in the sliding door. -$1,500

So $147,500-$115,500=$32,000- all other expenses/commissions/holding = I will be making around $19,000 more or less on this one. Which I am very proud of..being my first flip. Closing was set for this Friday but moved to Wednesday. Either way Im getting paid. Here are the listing photos..

So that was listed early April 2015 and was under contract in the last week of April.



Sure enough the Westmont Condo finally closed as soon as that one was listed so it was really a 1-2 punch. The condo from what I learned was vacant since 2011 and was occupied by a heavy heavy heavy heavy smoker. Like no joke, walls, ceiling, tile ground, cabinets, everything was smoke stained yellow. But whatever, gotta do what ya gotta do.

The financing for the condo was through a private lender who agreed to the terms of they pay for everything and when I sell they get the principal plus 50% of the profits. 

Accepted price was 136k but assesments and fees and all that came to $140,000

It was a quick cosmetic flip like the townhouse and this one even needed less! Only $10,000 invested. So im all in for $150,000

2Bed 2Bath 1400Sqft (I think?)

Before:

AFTER (Listing photos)

All in: $150,000

I accepted an offer of $182,000

After fees/commission/etc I will be left with $16,000 ish which is then divided in half so I'm making around $8,000 on this one. Closing is set for July 20th.

As long as I don't lose money I dont count it as an actual loss but when it's only $8k I take it as a personal loss because I know my tie and energy could have been used better to make maybe double that. But seeing as its my 2nd flip im not going to be too hard on myself. 

Ive learned so much from these first 2 I cant even begin to start with any kind of knowledge to share as its so much. 

But yeah there ya have it. My first 2 flips! Successful to me so im happy. 

But as of right now Im looking for my next 2 properties (trying to juggle 2 at a time) 

so let me plug this quick...

LOOKING FOR PROPERTIES IN WEST CHICAGO SUBURBS / DUPAGE COUNTY

CASH BUYER!!!!!  Someone please lead me to my next properties!!!

-Also I want to thank anyone who took the time to read through this or just skim through it! I will try to respond to any replies as quick and thoroughly as possible! 

Thanks!!

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Investor · Frisco, TX · Member since 2014 · 76 posts · 18 votes
11y

Awesome job on both those flips! It's always hardest to get started but now you got the ball rolling. Can't wait to see your next ones. 

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  • Investor · Riverside, CA · Member since 2014 · 351 posts · 220 votes
    11y

    Great job...... but know what?  Wow have I been there, in the past I have lost track of my goals.  I have lost the vision that got me my first few deals.  I love making list and pulling back all the negative self talk that stops me/you from finding the next deal.

    Commit today to doing the things it take to buy property to flip. I was in a simular rut and looked on the title application our MLS has connected to it. Do the same, search all of the cash sales in the last 30 days in a 15 mile radius of your last 2 deals. It will be proof that deals are closing. All may not have been obtained for the right price that would allow you to flip bUT deals areally closing.

    In my area there was well over 50 properties most I knew about but for my lack of understanding how to do this business I lost.   I went to a great club meeting where the speaker/flipper opperated on a 5% margin, how cold that be.  Now they turn 40 million every year and make 2 million In profit just by getting a 5% return.  Just figure out your program and work it.  They're many deals out there, go find them and close on 3 this month.

  • Investor · Harvard, CA · Member since 2015 · 38 posts · 15 votes
    11y

    Robert,

    As I am just starting out myself, I make it a point every day to find stories like yours to help keep me focused and driven.

    Today as I was sitting at my desk doing my day job and feeling a bit burned out, I read your post and immediately felt inspired and excited again. 

    So when you think you don't have much to contribute yet the the BP community, rest assured you do!

    Thanks for sharing and best of luck in your future deals!

    Craig

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2014 · 124 posts · 35 votes
    11y

    Really good looking rehabs! Super clean and elegant. With mass appeal.

    What would you say you invested per square foot in each rehab, and, are you interested in Las Vegas Nevada opportunity Properties?

  • Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2014 · 28 posts · 9 votes
    11y

    Those are amazing rehab cost numbers! I have been hesitate to enter the rehabbing side of real estate investing since I don't quite know where to begin calculating rehab cost. Perhaps you can write more about your process in a blog post since it's so fresh on your mind? 

    Congrats on your success!

  • Investor · NW Indiana · Member since 2012 · 833 posts · 197 votes
    11y

    @Robert Obniski Looks beautiful!  Congrats.

  • Rental Property Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2014 · 32 posts · 4 votes
    11y

    Outstanding Job on taking the plunge! 

    Congratulations on the profits also!

    May you be blessed with many, many more!

  • Investor · Madison, WI · Member since 2015 · 128 posts · 33 votes
    11y

    @Marcus KennedyThanks! Im searching day and night for the next one

    @Account Closed Wow! Thank you for that. I have never felt like that from someones post. Im glad I could offer something like that to you. As I mentioned above to Jim, I too loose motivation and get burnt out. The self motivaton and focus lingers for about 3-4 weeks then it back to dullness. Gotta find other ways to motivate! I am very very interested in cars, it's probably the biggest thing in my life besides loved ones. SO to get motivated sometimes I will go on youtube and watch high quality HD videos of the car/cars I one day want to own. I get so excited about that car that it motivates me to further my real estate goals and I get back to work. So i guess i would suggest if your feeling burnt out again, maybe find motivation in the things you would do if your real estate career was already booming.

  • Investor · Madison, WI · Member since 2015 · 128 posts · 33 votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @Jack R.:

    Really good looking rehabs! Super clean and elegant. With mass appeal.

    What would you say you invested per square foot in each rehab, and, are you interested in Las Vegas Nevada opportunity Properties?

     Thanks for the words! And while Las Vegas isnt something I have ever thought about, I will entertain the idea! Shoot me a message with some details.

  • Investor · Madison, WI · Member since 2015 · 128 posts · 33 votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @Non Phan:

    Those are amazing rehab cost numbers! I have been hesitate to enter the rehabbing side of real estate investing since I don't quite know where to begin calculating rehab cost. Perhaps you can write more about your process in a blog post since it's so fresh on your mind? 

    Congrats on your success!

     Thank you!

    To elaborate on my rehabs..

    You should definitely take into account that both of my flips were not sfr. Meaning, almost zero work to the outside had to be done as the association usually takes care of that in regards to townhouses and condos. Also, both these flipse were all cosmetic. Biggest thing was flooring, which I contracted out. Other than that its just things like toiets, light fixtures, doors, painting. Pretty easy to be honest. The type of flips I did, to me, are more like a hobby type of flipper. No gut or extreme work, just simple work. A lot if it though. 

    As far as calculating rehab costs..  Just go to your next property with pad and paper go down the list..

    Flooring? Find out how much sq ft, find out what kind you would like, do the math, add a little extra then add labor.

    Paint- Calculate area. I dont know the forumla but ceiling height and square feet or something i dont know.. But i never stress the paint because I know if i dont buy enough, i can always go buy more. If i buy too much I will just use it in the next property. 

    Light fixtures/Fans - Count how many of each and give your self a high number per fixtur

    Bathrooms-New toilet necessary? New Faucet? New shower head? Etc Go to home depot, pick out what you would use, keep it in a journal or take a pic with price there and then just figure it.

    Kitchen- Keeping cabinets? Painting cabinets? New cabinets? All the knobs and pullers. Faucet. Appliances? You can get a decent 4 peice stainless package for around $2200

    Random things- Outlets, GFCI outlets, covers, etc just tally how many then go to the store. (Things like this I buy in bulk as I know they will be needed down the road.

    At the end of the day its best/easiest to just take a saturday or sunday you have off. Go look at a potential property or a 'like' property of what youre looking to get into. Spend an hour or more and tally up everything and measure everything then spend the next couple of hours at home depot/lowes/menards and act as if you were actually going to buy that. 

    It gets easier the more you do it but I think that would be great practice. 

  • Investor · Madison, WI · Member since 2015 · 128 posts · 33 votes
    11y

    @Carolina E. Thank you! I am expecting more blessings ;)

  • Lender · Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 83 posts · 13 votes
    11y

    Great job on your first flips. Earning a profit, and amassing a ton of knowledge and hands on experience (which is invaluable) sounds like a win in my book. How do you go about finding properties? Are you mostly sticking to the MLS?

  • Investor · Madison, WI · Member since 2015 · 128 posts · 33 votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @Richard Jeffries:

    Great job on your first flips. Earning a profit, and amassing a ton of knowledge and hands on experience (which is invaluable) sounds like a win in my book. How do you go about finding properties? Are you mostly sticking to the MLS?

     Thanks I have learned so much it's crazy. And the learning never ends! Which is good.

    But yes these first 2 are off the MLS. I'm looking to find different avenues to find properties as I know theyre out there with better numbers. Just gotta keep searching.

  • Lender · Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 83 posts · 13 votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @Robert Obniski:
    Originally posted by @Richard Jeffries:

    Great job on your first flips. Earning a profit, and amassing a ton of knowledge and hands on experience (which is invaluable) sounds like a win in my book. How do you go about finding properties? Are you mostly sticking to the MLS?

     Thanks I have learned so much it's crazy. And the learning never ends! Which is good.

    But yes these first 2 are off the MLS. I'm looking to find different avenues to find properties as I know theyre out there with better numbers. Just gotta keep searching.

     Definitely, I'm not sure if you're familiar with tax sales in Dupage county but I have partners who have benefited greatly from properties with tax liens. I know I'll be acquiring this year's scavenger list.

  • Investor · Madison, WI · Member since 2015 · 128 posts · 33 votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @Richard Jeffries:
    Originally posted by @Robert Obniski:
    Originally posted by @Richard Jeffries:

    Great job on your first flips. Earning a profit, and amassing a ton of knowledge and hands on experience (which is invaluable) sounds like a win in my book. How do you go about finding properties? Are you mostly sticking to the MLS?

     Thanks I have learned so much it's crazy. And the learning never ends! Which is good.

    But yes these first 2 are off the MLS. I'm looking to find different avenues to find properties as I know theyre out there with better numbers. Just gotta keep searching.

     Definitely, I'm not sure if you're familiar with tax sales in Dupage county but I have partners who have benefited greatly from properties with tax liens. I know I'll be acquiring this year's scavenger list.

     No I am not familiar with it. I've heard the term thrown around but never researched it. Maybe we should get together one of these days to discuss it? 

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Alexandria, VA · Member since 2014 · 461 posts · 262 votes
    11y

    Great job @Robert Obniski.

    I know how you feel about the 2nd flip and whether you think the $8k was worth the time you put in. The way I would look at is that you got 50% of something instead of 100% of nothing. It was a great way to leverage private money so that you could get a 2nd one started (even if just the paperwork) while you used your own money on the first. I'm in a similar situation where as I'm making multiple offers during the same period of time and that means I will have to use some sort of HML for one if I end up getting two that overlap.

    Also, keep posting your success stories. It is motivating to the rest of us, as others have already said. 

  • West Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 39 posts · 4 votes
    11y

    That was inspiring! Thanks for sharing!!

  • Investor · Madison, WI · Member since 2015 · 128 posts · 33 votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @Doug W.:

    Great job @Robert Obniski.

    I know how you feel about the 2nd flip and whether you think the $8k was worth the time you put in. The way I would look at is that you got 50% of something instead of 100% of nothing. It was a great way to leverage private money so that you could get a 2nd one started (even if just the paperwork) while you used your own money on the first. I'm in a similar situation where as I'm making multiple offers during the same period of time and that means I will have to use some sort of HML for one if I end up getting two that overlap.

    Also, keep posting your success stories. It is motivating to the rest of us, as others have already said. 

     Well said. Ill try to look at it in that perspective! Thanks

  • Investor · Frisco, TX · Member since 2015 · 104 posts · 27 votes
    11y

    Congrats! I grew up in Naperville. My parents are looking to sell a turnkey investment property in Naperville (already leased and no rehab though)... 

    I was wondering how you found your contractors? Did you run your crews full time when you were rehabbing both? 

  • Investor · Frisco, TX · Member since 2015 · 104 posts · 27 votes
    11y

    PS We are in the Dallas market now. :) 

  • Investor · Madison, WI · Member since 2015 · 128 posts · 33 votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @Veena J.:

    Congrats! I grew up in Naperville. My parents are looking to sell a turnkey investment property in Naperville (already leased and no rehab though)... 

    I was wondering how you found your contractors? Did you run your crews full time when you were rehabbing both? 

     Being that both properties were just in need of cosmetic updates besides flooring, I did almost all the work my self. I am doing full time so i basically got there in the morning, hustled till the evening. If i did end up using somebody for something, it would be through a friend or craigs list.

    Can I ask what exactly your parents are selling?

  • Investor · Frisco, TX · Member since 2015 · 104 posts · 27 votes
    11y

    Thats awesome! 

    Please call me to discuss:

    972-666-7687

  • Involved In Real Estate · Chicago, IL · Member since 2014 · 52 posts · 8 votes
    11y

    @Robert Obniski

    Love the post and the finished product looks amazing. I am also a fellow Chicagoan. I wondering if you would be interested in receiving assistance (paperwork, phone calls, managing, etc). 

    I am looking to get involved in Flipping and I do not mind partaking in free labor to achieve some of my personal goals. I have led in flipping two properties before as well. 

    Again, great post! 

    DB from Chicago

  • Aurora, IL · Member since 2014 · 65 posts · 20 votes
    11y

    @Robert Obniski Congrats on making it happen! It's always great to see others out there just starting out and doing well. As a beginner, these stories are very encouraging to me. Thanks for sharing!

  • Tucson, AZ · Member since 2015 · 70 posts · 24 votes
    11y

    Amazing job!!  The properties turned out great!

  • Investor · Madison, WI · Member since 2015 · 128 posts · 33 votes
    11y
    Originally posted by @Dyryl Burnett:

    @Robert Obniski

    Love the post and the finished product looks amazing. I am also a fellow Chicagoan. I wondering if you would be interested in receiving assistance (paperwork, phone calls, managing, etc). 

    I am looking to get involved in Flipping and I do not mind partaking in free labor to achieve some of my personal goals. I have led in flipping two properties before as well. 

    Again, great post! 

    DB from Chicago

     Thanks for the compliments and that awesome you're throwing yourself out there to help out to get to know the business better. More than I did when I started. But at this time my operation is so small (Just me) that I wouldnt have anything of the sort for you to do. Appreciate it though!

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