My options for a 6.5 bed 3 bath home for sale in nice Utah area?

My options for a 6.5 bed 3 bath home for sale in nice Utah area?

New to Real Estate · Ogden · Member since 2014 · 107 posts · 19 votes

Hello everyone!

I'm still new to real estate investing. I found motivated sellers who are wanting to sell their home in Utah. It's in a good area. It's 6 bd, an office, 3 baths and in good condition. It will need updating, cosmetic wise in most of the home. The roof and electrical plus hvac is all new. Also other updates have been done. They've had it for 5 years and do not want to lease purchase. They are selling it for 180,000 which is about what's owed on the property.

I was thinking it would be a good flip into a triplex or duplex.

what are my options as far as finding a buyer? Who should I target? Is it worth it?

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Jeff RappaportPro Member
Specialist · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2015 · 533 posts · 378 votes
10y

Let's start with a basic question - what is it worth?  Have you done any comps on the property?  The next question is would the sellers let you buy the property for what is owed on it?  What I mean, would they allow you to buy the property with the debt that is already on it?  What is the payment a month?  What would it rent for?  The big question is why would you want to convert it?  I know you want to wholesale the property.  You need to find out if it is really a deal or not.  You can certainly email me and I can help you with it.  Good luck!

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  • Investor / Licensed Real Estate Agent · Provo, UT · Member since 2015 · 43 posts · 22 votes
    10y

    There is a really good chance the property isn't zoned for anything other than a single family residence.  So unless it is in a neighborhood with a lot of other rentals, converting it probably wouldn't be easy.  You would have to go to Orem City and request a variance to the current zoning.  I would be happy to look at the county zoning to see what they have it listed as.

    I am an investor primarily and I also have my Realtor licence.  Because I am an agent, I couldn't pay you a bird-dogging or finders fee, but if you are interested in partnering on a deal, I am very open to that.  If that doesn't work for you, I also know other investors who might be interested and who are not agents.

    Please send me a message and I'll pull some comps for you. 

  • Attorney / Investor · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2015 · 228 posts · 198 votes
    10y

    my first question is a 6 bed, 3 bath home in a good area of Orem for $180K. Hmm. I'm a salt lake county investor, but that doesn't seem right. 

    @Tim Mellor is spot on with the zoning. Very unlikely but you never know. For something like this, I'd recommend working with someone familiar with zoning, valuation, and that kind of conversion (if it's possible).

    Jeff

  • Jeff RappaportPro Member
    Specialist · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2015 · 533 posts · 378 votes
    10y

    Let's start with a basic question - what is it worth?  Have you done any comps on the property?  The next question is would the sellers let you buy the property for what is owed on it?  What I mean, would they allow you to buy the property with the debt that is already on it?  What is the payment a month?  What would it rent for?  The big question is why would you want to convert it?  I know you want to wholesale the property.  You need to find out if it is really a deal or not.  You can certainly email me and I can help you with it.  Good luck!

  • Investor · Orem, UT · Member since 2015 · 18 posts · 6 votes
    10y

    Hi, 

    I live in Orem and invest in Utah as well. Not sure what the sq ft is, but That is a steal if there isn't anything fishy going on. Any liens? or other strings? Unless grandfathered in Orem does not allow you to turn a property like that into a duplex, triplex. You can turn around and rent it as a SFR, but as for duplex, etc. I'm afraid Orem won't allow it.

  • Real Estate Agent · Highland, UT · Member since 2015 · 407 posts · 272 votes
    10y

    @Henrietta M. as long as its not within a certain distance of Orem JR high it should be a good price and not a split entry. I have flipper who might be interested if the numbers make since. Send me more info on roughly the address.

  • Investor · Orem, UT · Member since 2015 · 16 posts · 6 votes
    10y

    There is a website Orem City publishes which provides a list of all the 'accessory apts' that are legal.  

    http://orem.org/index.php/planning-zoning/accessor...

    Check to see if the address is on the list. From personal experience, it is quite literally near impossible to change zoning. In order to change from SFR or even Accessory Apt, you would need to be sitting on 1 1/2 acres of land and surrounding on all 4 sides by legally zoned, existing duplexes. Thes eare just 2 of the several requirements to change zoning.

    Having read through the city council meeting minutes when these rules were put in place, their goal was to control population density and increase owner-occupy properties, helping neighborhoods not get so run down and whatnot.

    Sorry for the long post.  Just thought I would share what I have read and learned.

  • New to Real Estate · Ogden · Member since 2014 · 107 posts · 19 votes
    10y

    First of all, Thank you for all your responses. Second, I never said the property was in Orem. I said it was in a nice part of Utah. I have run comps and I'm certain that they would even negotiate on the price point. I agree with zoning and red tape but I looked that up and it really wouldn't be too difficult. As far as them selling it for what they owe. They would consider selling it for what they owe.

    Now, are there any other options available for this deal? Come on creative investors! Help me out here.

  • Real Estate Agent · Highland, UT · Member since 2015 · 407 posts · 272 votes
    10y

    What is your goal and what is the sellers time frame? If you want to whole sale it is it a deep enough discount for a flipper? Or would you need an investor looking to buy and renovate? Or a retail buyer looking for a little renovation work? Or are you wanting to keep of yourself? There are tons of options with something that size.

  • Tyler, TX · Member since 2015 · 85 posts · 24 votes
    10y

    Rezoning it might be difficult if it is a single-family area. Beware converting it without rezoning. Duplex and triplex will need two or three electrical meters and that'll be the trigger. Don't get too far into it without considering that the SF neighbors aren't going to be thrilled about a triplex rental next door with six cars parked all over the place. I'm here to help :)

  • New to Real Estate · Ogden · Member since 2014 · 107 posts · 19 votes
    10y

    Thank you @BeccaSummers and @kylekingman. I saw the area and you are right. It is surrounded by sfr homes. I think a buy and hold would be a great option but since I wouldn't qualify for a traditional loan. What do I need to qualify for a any other type of lender? I believe it wouldn't be good for a wholesale because of the short 5 yr period they've owned it so lack of equity etc. I might be wrong, so can you elaborate on if a wholesale deal would work out and how? Also, if I wanted to get it under contract and assign it to a buyer. What type of buyers would want a property like this? Who should I target?

    @Also, what is a retail buyer and how where do I fix them?

  • New to Real Estate · Ogden · Member since 2014 · 107 posts · 19 votes
    10y

    find not

  • Real Estate Agent · Highland, UT · Member since 2015 · 407 posts · 272 votes
    10y

    Our market has done amazing things since 2010 it might be worth a lot more than what they paid for it, unless they've been doing cash out refinaces. 

    The buyer for a large home that is dated would be a younger couple with 3+ kids looking for more space but needing a good deal to cover renovation costs. 

    Another buyer who would be interested is someone looking to buy renovate and rent.

    A wholesale deal is all about the numbers what the purchase price will be, what the after renovated value is and if there is enough between them to make since to a buyer.

    A retail buyer would be someone buying off the MLS as an owner occupant. They are typically willing to pay the most. To put the home on the MLS you have to be the property owner and pay Realtor fees.

  • Mindy JensenPro Member
    BiggerPockets Money Podcast Host · Longmont, CO · Member since 2014 · 7k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    10y

    @Henrietta M., listen to Podcast 147 with @Johnny Youssef. He has some great outside-the-box ideas for unusual properties. Maybe something he says will spark an idea.

  • Real Estate Broker · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2015 · 21 posts · 7 votes
    10y

    Thank you Mindy! I hope others would benefit from it!

  • Mindy JensenPro Member
    BiggerPockets Money Podcast Host · Longmont, CO · Member since 2014 · 7k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    10y

    @Johnny Youssef, I really enjoyed your show. Love the idea of the retreat property, which made me rethink an incredibly ugly house here in my neck of the woods...

  • New to Real Estate · Ogden · Member since 2014 · 107 posts · 19 votes
    10y

    Johnny Youssef's podcast was good. Honestly, you would have to be a very hard worker and very committed to go through with a few of his ideas.

    I really don't think I'm on his level or even that close yet. The hardest part for me would be the level of risk involved.

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