Purchasing properties with illegal In Law Units in Oakland

Purchasing properties with illegal In Law Units in Oakland

Rental Property Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2015 · 236 posts · 156 votes

Hello BP universe! I seek your advice and wisdom once again!

I've been looking at properties in the Oakland Bay Area and have noticed a lot of single family homes with in law units that aren't permitted. I was wondering if such properties are even worth considering seeing the potential cash flow opportunities of renting out the in law unit.

Has anyone purchased an SFH with an "illegal" unit and rented it out? Or has anyone bought a property and got the in law unit permitted and if so, is that a long and expensive process?

Forgive my vagueness but if you need additional information, please let me know!

Much mahalo all in advance!

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Rental Property Investor · Oakland, CA · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
10y

@Sherwin Gonzales and @Calvin Kwan,

The short story is that if you rent out an illegal unit in SF or Oakland, all the liability is on you, and none on the tenant. #1, the "illegal" unit is subject rent control, as is the other "unit" of the SFR, because it is being operated as 2 units (rent control law follows usage, not just actual structure..) In addition, they are likely subject to tenants' rights and just cause eviction protections, with caveats.. And if there is a fire... whoops! May not be covered by insurance!

But there's more...

If they dispute the legality of the unit and demand all prior payments of rent, they have the right to do so, based on the law. In other words, even if they lived in your illegal unit for 5 years, they could demand the 5 years of rent to be returned, legally.

Having said that, many landlords still do it, and many tenants do not enforce their rights, due to lack of knowledge, inability to spend time, money, or effort doing so, etc.. I do NOT have any illegal units. Others will only let friends, handymen, etc live in illegal units, since they feel that is a lower-risk situation.

As one last note, tenants have DIED inside illegal units because of inadequate ventilation, egress, etc. Certainly no matter if your unit is "non-conforming", illegal, or whatever, you bet your *** you better have it be safe!!!!! Anything less would be HORRIBLE and an injustice to any potential tenant and yourself...

Here's some more fun reading on professional tenants taking advantage of the illegal unit scam (scam back towards landlords..)

https://www.thelpa.com/lpa/forum-thread/222413/Renting-an-illegal-unit..html

Watch your asses! ;)

SF is promoting the conversion of formerly (officially) uninhabitable space into habitable space. Oakland is not as promoting about that right now, but the cities are generally all for adding more legal units. So just walk into the planning counter (hopefully with lots of pictures and anything else you have regarding the space, like ceiling height, utilities, structure etc.), tell them you want to convert an existing space into a new residential unit to help address the city's inadequate quantity of housing supply and housing crisis.

Be sure to pay your RAP fees and revenue tax before you go in though!!

Good luck guys! :)

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  • Rental Property Investor · Oakland, CA · Member since 2016 · 25 posts · 11 votes
    9y

    Hi @Maya Clark. Yes, that appears to be correct. I went back and reread the PDF. It is pretty clear there is a distinction in the definition of housing between less than a week, and a week or more. It also says they are looking into changing the rules to accommodate AirBnB and the like (STRR - Short term residential rentals). If you know of any updates regarding what the city is doing here, please post a link. Thanks!

  • Real Estate Broker · Oakland, CA · Member since 2015 · 36 posts · 26 votes
    9y

    Ok great. As I hear anything I will defintely post the links here so all can stay updated.

  • Rental Property Investor · Oakland · Member since 2016 · 19 posts · 10 votes
    8y

    Hey @Zachary P., @Sherwin Gonzales, any updates on if you ended up finding a property and renting out the un-permitted units? Am looking into a property with unpermitted units and wondering if things have gone well, what you'd recommend given more time and current laws?

  • Member since 2019 · 1 post · 0 votes
    7y

    I bought a house in Richmond in 2016 with a cottage in the back.  I was a naive buyer and did not know to ask about permitting.  We are not renting the cottage but do have a friend living there not paying rent. 

    Out of the blue I got a letter from the city of Richmond that it is an unpermitted in law and that I have a week to fix this. I am completely panic stricken as I am a UCSF professor of pediatric palliative care and don't have a ton of money to throw around.

    Any advice would be welcome.

    Thanks

  • Member since 2020 · 1 post · 0 votes
    6y

    I have a related question:

    I've been to open houses that count unwarranted parts as part of the living space.

    Why is that legal? It seems to me to very very misleading, not to mention that the part that documents that there is a part that is unwarranted is tucked in some addendum in the disclosure package.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2015 · 236 posts · 156 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Daniel Rubi:

    I have a related question:

    I've been to open houses that count unwarranted parts as part of the living space.

    Why is that legal? It seems to me to very very misleading, not to mention that the part that documents that there is a part that is unwarranted is tucked in some addendum in the disclosure package.

    When you say unwarranted, do you mean that the spaces are unpermitted? If that's the case, I've seen many houses like that in Oakland. I don't think realtors are allowed to count those types of spaces as living space when they market the property. I believe they have to disclose that as well. 

    I've seen homes marketed and priced as 3 bedrooms and 2 baths when actually on public record, it's really only 2 bedrooms and 1 bath because the extra bedroom and bathroom wasn't permitted. So it gets appraised for only a 2/1 and the buyer is left to pay the difference of the appraisal and the purchase price. If was done to a property, always ask if it was permitted and that the documents should all be included in the disclosures. 

    I hope this helps!

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