Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
There's a lot of background on this but I'm going to keep it as short as possible because I have a very specific question. I am a REALTOR and intimately familiar with the home, the property value, and the rental value. You can safely assume my numbers are correct.
I wired $11,000 to their bank 18 hours prior to the courthouse sale and stopped the foreclosure process. Owners want to sell me the property and then rent it back. Actual property value is $220,000. Owners owe $105,000. They are willing to sell it to me for $140,000 minus the $11,000 I already paid to stop the foreclosure. This puts $25,000 in their pocket and gives me a property with immediate equity.
To summarize, I already paid $11,000 in cash and intend to pay another $19,000 in cash. That leaves $110,000 to finance on a property valued at $220,000.
How do I structure this to ensure the bank lends on it? If I say I'm buying it for $140,000 they will want 20% down ($28,000) but I've already put $11,000 towards the purchase that the bank won't count and I've only got $19,000 more available (plus closing costs). If I say the purchase price is $105,000 they will want $21,000 down. I can afford that but then the owner isn't getting their $25,000 in cash.
Is this making sense? Does anyone have a suggestion?
Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
10y
I don't know but one thing for sure: DON'T lie to the bank. That is called bank fraud and the penalties are VERY high. You might need to find a private lender to take it down and then possibly refi. I am not a finance guy but there are plenty on BP that could offer suggestions. Good luck.
Investor · Thermopolis, WY · Member since 2012 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
10y
Good luck bud. With the kind of equity you would be getting it will be a great deal for you, even if you have a little negative cash flow. For the record I think everyone warned you about the problems not because they doubt your experience or acumen, it is because most folks who become emotional, like when helping others tend to be a little less rational than they usually are. It is always a good thing however to be able to help another person in need and still make money yourself. That is one of the great things about real estate.
Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
10y
@Jerry W. I surely hope you are roofing with a pneumatic nailer. My first roof I did with a hammer. My second with an air compressor. The air compressor is about 5X faster but I digress from this thread. @Nathan Gesner it's been a few days, where does it sit now? Inquiring minds want to know.
Investor · Thermopolis, WY · Member since 2012 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
10y
@Bill S., I do have a pneumatic nailer for roofing and have done 4 roofs this year with asphalt shingles, however this is a facade and it is shake shingles. they were invented by the devil and are horrible to deal with. I am using my roofing nailer and for the most part it works ok at 30 #s less pressure. They split easily, even when wet, they seem to have at least a 20% defect rate, and if you let them dry out they split even worse. I could have done a huge roof in the time I have spent stripping and putting on about 4 squares so far of shakes. I am hand nailing the corners due to problems with them splitting. it is for my personal office. Despite being only decorative my insurance company issued a notice they would not insure if they were not repaired. They were at least 35 years old, probably more so they were due.
Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2013 · 96 posts · 19 votes
10y
Hey Nathan, this is a bit late but I saw you wanted sub2 experiences. I've done one for a flip, it was with a smaller local bank. They weren't entirely happy about it, but they put up with it because the check came in every month and it wasn't long term... It was longer term than originally expected, but that was simply handled by keeping the bank manager in the loop.