First Multi-Family Flip

First Multi-Family Flip

Rental Property Investor · Los Gatos, CA · Member since 2017 · 123 posts · 131 votes

First off, as I always get interested with pictures here are a few before and after pictures. I have also put a few links to all our marketing at the bottom. 

The Swiss Cheese model is a model used for determining how accidents are caused. I am going to flip that model and use it for real estate and how each layer of cheese lining up with the next makes the deal that much better and when they all line up it's a home run. For this deal all the holes in the Swiss cheese block lined up perfectly and the outcome was not an accident.

The way we found this deal was through the good 'ol MLS. It wasn't listed for more than a few minutes before we saw it, and of course we knew a 4-plex with 2bd 1ba units at $1.2m it was a smoking deal. Many may gasp at that but in the heart of San Jose a few blocks from the university no one would blink twice at paying that. We didn't and immediately contacted the real estate agent and made a full asking offer. By the next afternoon it was in contract. That was the hardest part. Getting this property in contract was lucky but behind that luck was a lot of hard work and energy. Like they say luck favors the prepared and we were through the first layer of cheese.

We now had the property in contract and realized what we were up against. Well we kind of already knew. But we had super low rents and tenants that had lived there for many years. Total rents for the building were about $4,400. Once we closed we quickly worked with the tenants and they gave us notice and all of them were moving out within the next 2 months. That part could not have gone smoother and with any other tenants it may have not worked out the way it did. Another slice of cheese in line.  

Once the first tenant left we started getting bids for work. We haven't done too many deals, about 8, so we don't have a solid team. We figured this was going to be the property that we build that team. We interviewed and got quotes from about 10-20 subs to do all the different pieces of work and about 5-10 GC's to do the project as a whole. We ended up choosing one of the GC's and got that next slice of cheese lined up. We got quotes anywhere from $30k-$50k a unit. we ended up paying a total of about $30k per unit and the total work took 1 month for all four units. This team was in and out and every day we stopped by the property looked completely different. I think we can give them two slices as they were exceptional. 

During the time we were looking for contractors we were also looking to sell it for a quick $400k profit. We didn't really get any bites, a few tire kickers telling us we were crazy thinking this will sell for close to $2m with rents above $2,600. In addition during this time we started reaching out to multifamily agents that had sold a lot of properties in the Silicon Valley and were getting their opinions on rents and resale value. All said getting over $2m would probably not happen as it would be breaking a lot of records and getting rents at $2,700 or above would be tough. This kind of gave us the kick in the but to see what we could do. 

After the rehab was done we started advertising the units for rent. It was quite slow  at first but after a week or so we started getting way too many inquiries and had three of the four units rented. Two at $2,700 and one at $2,800. The holes in the cheese just kept lining up for us, we were anticipating when they would stop. We left the best unit vacant and staged for showings. We created a marketing package, link to view is below, and blasted it to our inner network at $1,988,888 with a commission for an off market sale at 3.5%. We had a few people interested at the $1.9m mark but figured with the little exposure we got we weren't going to need to go below our asking off market. We got it listed and the phone started to ring. We got two offers over asking and ended up taking the offer at $2.018m. This was the last and best piece that was right on point, the offer we accepted was cash with a 7 day close and non contingent. 

After rehab and holding costs we were into the property for just under $1.4m and walked away with over $600k. All our slices of Swiss cheese lined up ever so perfectly for our first multi family flip. After all was said and done a few of the agents who wanted the listing didn't believe we sold it for over $2m. With this sale set a few records for a 4-plex sale in San Jose. 

Any questions ask away. 

Marketing Package

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-UqmCuMV9cwZFFY...

Flyer

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-UqmCuMV9cwS2Fu...

Before and After

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-UqmCuMV9cwZmVt...

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Rental Property Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
9y

SJ has rent control, and if your tenants were well under market rents, I'm curious why they left so quickly. Did you do buy outs?  Otherwise they'd have no motivation to leave, given that I'm sure they were of limited income ability too, hence they would have a hard time renting another place at market value. Of course if there is no rent control, unless they have a long term lease, you are free to do as you wish. 

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  • Real Estate Agent · Media, PA · Member since 2017 · 361 posts · 250 votes
    9y

    @Bobby Nilsen wow, great work man! I love the Swiss Cheese model. How did you fund this deal, I think that's the one question you left me with. Otherwise great writeup and awesome job. And how big is your team of "we" in this case?

  • Real Estate Investor · Las Cruces, NM · Member since 2016 · 186 posts · 173 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Bobby Nilsen:

    First off, as I always get interested with pictures here are a few before and after pictures. I have also put a few links to all our marketing at the bottom. 

    The Swiss Cheese model is a model used for determining how accidents are caused. I am going to flip that model and use it for real estate and how each layer of cheese lining up with the next makes the deal that much better and when they all line up it's a home run. For this deal all the holes in the Swiss cheese block lined up perfectly and the outcome was not an accident.

    The way we found this deal was through the good 'ol MLS. It wasn't listed for more than a few minutes before we saw it, and of course we knew a 4-plex with 2bd 1ba units at $1.2m it was a smoking deal. Many may gasp at that but in the heart of San Jose a few blocks from the university no one would blink twice at paying that. We didn't and immediately contacted the real estate agent and made a full asking offer. By the next afternoon it was in contract. That was the hardest part. Getting this property in contract was lucky but behind that luck was a lot of hard work and energy. Like they say luck favors the prepared and we were through the first layer of cheese.

    We now had the property in contract and realized what we were up against. Well we kind of already knew. But we had super low rents and tenants that had lived there for many years. Total rents for the building were about $4,400. Once we closed we quickly worked with the tenants and they gave us notice and all of them were moving out within the next 2 months. That part could not have gone smoother and with any other tenants it may have not worked out the way it did. Another slice of cheese in line.  

    Once the first tenant left we started getting bids for work. We haven't done too many deals, about 8, so we don't have a solid team. We figured this was going to be the property that we build that team. We interviewed and got quotes from about 10-20 subs to do all the different pieces of work and about 5-10 GC's to do the project as a whole. We ended up choosing one of the GC's and got that next slice of cheese lined up. We got quotes anywhere from $30k-$50k a unit. we ended up paying a total of about $30k per unit and the total work took 1 month for all four units. This team was in and out and every day we stopped by the property looked completely different. I think we can give them two slices as they were exceptional. 

    During the time we were looking for contractors we were also looking to sell it for a quick $400k profit. We didn't really get any bites, a few tire kickers telling us we were crazy thinking this will sell for close to $2m with rents above $2,600. In addition during this time we started reaching out to multifamily agents that had sold a lot of properties in the Silicon Valley and were getting their opinions on rents and resale value. All said getting over $2m would probably not happen as it would be breaking a lot of records and getting rents at $2,700 or above would be tough. This kind of gave us the kick in the but to see what we could do. 

    After the rehab was done we started advertising the units for rent. It was quite slow  at first but after a week or so we started getting way too many inquiries and had three of the four units rented. Two at $2,700 and one at $2,800. The holes in the cheese just kept lining up for us, we were anticipating when they would stop. We left the best unit vacant and staged for showings. We created a marketing package, link to view is below, and blasted it to our inner network at $1,988,888 with a commission for an off market sale at 3.5%. We had a few people interested at the $1.9m mark but figured with the little exposure we got we weren't going to need to go below our asking off market. We got it listed and the phone started to ring. We got two offers over asking and ended up taking the offer at $2.018m. This was the last and best piece that was right on point, the offer we accepted was cash with a 7 day close and non contingent. 

    After rehab and holding costs we were into the property for just under $1.4m and walked away with over $600k. All our slices of Swiss cheese lined up ever so perfectly for our first multi family flip. After all was said and done a few of the agents who wanted the listing didn't believe we sold it for over $2m. With this sale set a few records for a 4-plex sale in San Jose. 

    Any questions ask away. 

    Marketing Package

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-UqmCuMV9cwZFFY...

    Flyer

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-UqmCuMV9cwS2Fu...

    Before and After

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-UqmCuMV9cwZmVt...

     Wow, really great work! I love the swiss cheese analogy. Really really nicely done flip. Those prices are head-spinning for a 4-plex lol! Congratulations!!

  • Investor · Chicago , IL · Member since 2014 · 159 posts · 68 votes
    9y

    Great execution across the board! Congrats!

  • Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2016 · 143 posts · 68 votes
    9y
    first off congrats for hitting a home run. second why didn't you keep it for long term hold. was doing a brrrr possible?
  • Brandon, MS · Member since 2017 · 40 posts · 26 votes
    9y

    @Bobby Nilsen The property looks great! This is definitely an inspiring flip!

  • Surveyor · Hemet, CA · Member since 2015 · 797 posts · 112 votes
    9y

    @Bobby Nilsen this is a great story and one I can really try to learn and understand from I am a brand new investor and looking to get a multiple family in San Diego county so that we can rent 3 or 4 units as a regular rental and the last unit be a vacation unit so that we can enjoy it as well! Any thoughts or opinions please I am coming into the market with possibly 500 or 600 400k.  Love the photos and the amount you got paid after the job was done!

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Gatos, CA · Member since 2017 · 123 posts · 131 votes
    9y

    @John Knisely We funded this deal with hard money. Nothing crazy, we came in with 20% and had to fund the rehab cost as well. We've done a few other deals and a few other wholesales so those helped with some of the money that went into it. Other than that we used our own money. And thanks for the compliments

    @Audrey Ezeh @Christopher Salazar  @Sterling FieldsThank you for the comment, much appreciated.

    @Harrison Liu We definitely thought about keeping it and that was one question we got asked a lot. At the end of the day though if we were to refinance it we would have been refinancing it at $1.8m vs the $2m we sold it for, so it may not have made sense for us. Comping this at $2m would have never happened, no comps would have justified it as we set the record in the area for the highest sale. Also it's the height or close to the height of the market so cash was better than the property in our minds as we could use the cash for our next projects, we have about 4 properties closing in the next couple months. 

    @Robin Boyer If you haven't set up searches I would do that so anytime a property gets listed you get an email immediately. Are you looking to use all that for a couple properties or one. If it's one you shouldn't have to hard of a time finding something that'll work, especially if you get one that needs a little work with both the property and rents. Biggest thing I would recommend is set something up to ensure you get those properties sent to you immediately when they get listed. Agents can set you up with searches but I have found that if you use Redfin, Redfin emails the newly listed properties to you quicker, from my experience at least. Thanks for your comments.

  • Surveyor · Hemet, CA · Member since 2015 · 797 posts · 112 votes
    9y

    @Cody L. this is one of the threads I was talking about great story in my opinion!

  • Surveyor · Hemet, CA · Member since 2015 · 797 posts · 112 votes
    9y

    @Bobby Nilsen what would you say is your cash on cash return on this investment?

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Gatos, CA · Member since 2017 · 123 posts · 131 votes
    9y
  • Flipper/Rehabber · Yardley, PA · Member since 2015 · 451 posts · 307 votes
    9y

    @Bobby Nilsen great story and outcome!  Place looks great! 

  • Davis, CA · Member since 2016 · 595 posts · 344 votes
    9y

    @Bobby Nilseny I am looking at flipping a 2x3 townhouses 6 unit.  what kind of hit does it take to NOT rent it out before trying to sell a MF?  Do prospective buyers really respect our numbers on something so freshly rented?  I wont have a couple years of expenses and whatnot, as it was not operated in a leased fashion... so no number history....  

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Gatos, CA · Member since 2017 · 123 posts · 131 votes
    9y

    I'm not 100% sure for Davis, but I'm guessing it's a pretty hot market out there right now as well. The reality of the numbers is what matters. If you have one unit filled at $2,800 and your using that to pro forma the other units when the normal rents for something similar are $2,500, then yeah the $2,800 probably won't fly. But if you have four or five units rented at $2,800 when market rents are closer to $2,500 then its easier to pro forma that last one at $2,800. We rented three units leaving the best one for last to make the $2,800 an easy sell and we had three or four emails coming in each day to see the unit. If all the units were empty we probably would have been using $2,600-$2,700 as our pro forma rents and we may not have set the record for the highest sale in that area. In the bay area not having a solid I & E doesn't really matter, of course it helps but it's not going to keep you on the market for an extended period of time. If you are on the market too long you did your original numbers wrong and/or your anticipated arv was wrong. We bought this with an I & E scribbled on binder paper and sold it with all pro forma expenses and income, tenants weren't even in for a month. We bought another 4-plex with the I & E scribbled on something a little more professional but still essentially it was garbage. I guess the point is if the area is solid, which Davis is, you shouldn't take too big of hit, if any, as long as your being realistic with no solid financials. Having them rented will only help.

    Is this six town homes in a complex or a 6 unit building? If it's six town homes in a complex that might be your bigger battle.

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Gatos, CA · Member since 2017 · 123 posts · 131 votes
    9y

    @Carson Wilcox See above

  • Davis, CA · Member since 2016 · 595 posts · 344 votes
    9y

    @Bobby Nilsen  Lord I wish I could buy a 6 unit in Davis for $600k...  a 6 unit here would be 1.2 1.5 trashed...

    This is in sacramento. 2 3 unit buildings.  courtyard style.  nice compact build...

    C+ area but butted up against a nice middle class subdivision.  It has been own and run by a non profit for a few years. transitional living for parolees or something...

    Thank you SO much for your thoughts...we will have expenses....garbage water sewer taxes insurance all that... everything except maintenance capex costs and vacancy.. 

    I just wasnt sure whether JUST placed tenants met muster of saying "these doors earn $X" to a new buyer... OR if a buyer wouldnt want MY tenants...

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Gatos, CA · Member since 2017 · 123 posts · 131 votes
    9y

    @Carson Wilcox One last thing would be to make sure you have a solid tenant screening process and have that documented, that will help. There are a lot of people that want a turnkey investment. Not familar with C+ areas so I'm not too sure how investors are in that type of market, maybe a little pickier, but Sacramento is still pretty hot, yeah? As long as your worst case scenario you can rent them, cash flow and refinance yourself to a comfortable position, I'd do it.   

  • Davis, CA · Member since 2016 · 595 posts · 344 votes
    9y

    Yes, I could... my partner doesnt want to buy and hold it at ALL... and I am 5050 on it... but it would cover the nut in the worst case...  Sac is hot... this would be a nicer building in an area close to the freeway... in between business areas and a mile South... total crap... so it should appeal to a good tenant base...   good blue collar

  • Warminster, PA · Member since 2016 · 30 posts · 11 votes
    9y
    Wow. Looks awesome!! Love the kitchen, clean simple modern look.
  • Gordon CuffePro Member
    Investor · Roseville, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 583 votes
    9y

    @Carson Wilcoxi am familiar with that 6 unit place. I would be curious to see if someone gets 1k per unit in rents or more . I told a couple investors about the place and they had different opinions about the area . I am also curious to see what the actual rehab cost will be. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Gatos, CA · Member since 2017 · 123 posts · 131 votes
    9y
    @Ray Ebert @Mike B. Thanks Ray and Mike, much appreciated. @Carson Wilcox If you and your partner don't have a solid plan laid out from the start that you can agree on you may want to rethink it so you both are on the same page no matter what happens. That way when a scenario happens that you didn't think of you're more likely to come to some agreement. Not sure your partnership relationship but being on the same page is key.
  • Roselle, NJ · Member since 2017 · 139 posts · 71 votes
    9y

    wow congrats man and I liked hearing your story. Huge inspiration and shows importance of knowing your market. But man, those Cali numbers are staggering. 

  • James MaraditsPro Member
    Real Estate Broker · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2015 · 239 posts · 224 votes
    9y

    Incredible!  Congrats on your success.

  • Surveyor · Hemet, CA · Member since 2015 · 797 posts · 112 votes
    9y

    @Bobby Nilsen I just got back from my first real estate meeting what a blast I spoke in front of 100 people and introduced myself and thanked everyone for coming!

  • Rental Property Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    SJ has rent control, and if your tenants were well under market rents, I'm curious why they left so quickly. Did you do buy outs?  Otherwise they'd have no motivation to leave, given that I'm sure they were of limited income ability too, hence they would have a hard time renting another place at market value. Of course if there is no rent control, unless they have a long term lease, you are free to do as you wish. 

  • Warminster, PA · Member since 2016 · 30 posts · 11 votes
    9y

    Where did you get the kitchen cabinets from? @Bobby Nilsen 

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