First BRRR completed in Milwaukee, WI - NO MONEY DOWN

First BRRR completed in Milwaukee, WI - NO MONEY DOWN

Investor · SE Wisconsin/NE Illinois · Member since 2012 · 109 posts · 57 votes

Hey Biggerpockets! I wanted to share my BRRR project and how the numbers worked out.

At the beginning of the year, based on a hotter multi-family market, I switched gears to focus solely on foreclosed duplexes. Starting on the MLS, I looked at duplexes that needed under $10,000 in rehab work in B-/C+ neighborhoods.

As a full-time occupation, I am a commercial real estate professional. Although I am licensed and have MLS credentials, I have found it makes the most sense to have a trusted broker (@Michael Henry), to walk the properties with me, provide his opinion/feedback, and write my offers for me. After 2-3 showings per week for about 2 months, I found a 3/2 BR upper/lower duplex that showed promise.

Mike has completed and advised on many rehab/rental projects and his expertise was helpful in making a decision. Primarily, the rehab work was cosmetic, but including finishing off a bathroom. The rehab cost was estimated at $5,700. I put in an offer of $55,000, which was slightly over asking price, due to multiple offers. I estimated the ARV to be right around $100,000 (60.7% LTV).

Concerning financing, I had partnered up with another partner, who provided the down-payment. In order to remain flexible, I approached a local hard money lender, who funded 65% of the ARV. With this structure, I was able to purchase the building for NO MONEY DOWN.

I closed on the property on 3/27/17, and the rehab timeframe was roughly one month. Also, during this time, I found a local credit union who could refinance me out of the hard money for up to 80% LTV with NO SEASONING PERIOD for the full appraisal value.

Once the rehab work was completed, we immediately began to show the duplex to potential tenants. The duplex was marketed for $775 for the 2 br and $875 for the 3 br ($1650/mo total). With maintenance reserves, CAPEX, insurance, taxes, utilities, and a vacancy factor, the cash-flow is $425/month.

For me, the cool thing was be able to refinance and walk away with cash for a deal that I put absolutely no money into! The property appraised for $101,000 and I was able to refinance at 80% ($80,800). Therefore, at closing, after paying back my "down-payment" partner and making a few hard money payments and fees, I was able to walk away with a check for $10,600.

The even better news is that I have 6 more of these BRRR projects in the pipeline (2 in the rehab phase, 1 closes tomorrow, and 3 are pending to close). More posts to come!!

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Real Estate Consultant · Brookfield, WI · Member since 2014 · 873 posts · 350 votes
9y

@Kyle Mack I try my best!

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  • Alhambra, CA · Member since 2015 · 142 posts · 78 votes
    9y

    That is a really awesome project and result! I like that you had help with the down-payment and the 65% of ARV from a hard-money lender is also quite an achievement. I wonder what it would take for me, an unlicensed and underemployed person, to convince a hard money lender to give me 65% of ARV... Hmmmmm

  • Investor · Golden, CO · Member since 2011 · 80 posts · 23 votes
    9y
    Well done Kyle Mack! I'm in MKE frequently. Would you be interested in meeting for lunch to walk through a few things about the market there?
  • Real Estate Consultant · Brookfield, WI · Member since 2014 · 873 posts · 350 votes
    9y

    @Kyle Mack I try my best!

  • Investor · Madison, WI · Member since 2015 · 47 posts · 16 votes
    9y
    Nice work. The numbers look good. Rinse and repeat :)
  • Rebecca KnoxBusiness Member
    Specialist · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    Way to go Kyle and Mike!!!!

    Captain Save-A-Home LLC
  • Contractor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 887 posts · 323 votes
    9y

    @Kyle Mack Two thumbs up! @Michael Henry Ditto!

    #DodgersWorldSeriesBound

  • Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2015 · 13 posts · 4 votes
    9y

    Impressive, Kyle. Thanks for sharing the details of your project. Keep up the good work!  

  • Realtor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2014 · 147 posts · 73 votes
    9y

    Looks great. Congrats @Kyle Mack!

  • Investor · Patchogue, NY · Member since 2017 · 69 posts · 11 votes
    9y
    Awesome Kyle Mack were those hardwoods under the carpet?
  • Real Estate Investor · Burlington, VT · Member since 2010 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    @Kyle Mack  Congrats - great to hear! Keep us posted on the others,

    Tom

  • Lender · Bethesda MD · Member since 2017 · 283 posts · 123 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Paul Hitchings:

    That is a really awesome project and result! I like that you had help with the down-payment and the 65% of ARV from a hard-money lender is also quite an achievement. I wonder what it would take for me, an unlicensed and underemployed person, to convince a hard money lender to give me 65% of ARV... Hmmmmm

    If you have someone help with the down-payment (and I'm assuming closing costs weren't financed - so that too). Then just about any HML will go to 65% ARV... that is a generally conservative number. Employment doesn't usually help, as HM is asset-based unlike a conventional loan that is income-based. I have no idea what license you would be referring to.

  • Real Estate Broker · Yorba Linda, CA · Member since 2017 · 154 posts · 114 votes
    9y

    Great job @Kyle Mack. Looks like you took a system (BRRR) and applied all the concepts you learned. You're a DOER and that's what separates you from the herd.

    I'm new to investing, but have been a licensed Realtor in California for 14 years on the RETAIL side of the game, but that's about to change. My focus locally (California, Arizona and Nevada) will be wholesaling for NOW MONEY, which is not investing because wholesaling is a transaction based business, but then I'll be looking at buying buy and hold properties in out of state locations where the cash flow makes sense.

    I unfortunately can't really invest in my own backyard here in Southern California because the numbers just don't pencil, for MY CRITERIA anyway.

    Your summary of the deal you took down is EXACTLY what I will be focusing on moving forward with the buy and hold game.

    Good luck with your other deals in the pipeline.

  • Real Estate Broker · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2015 · 7 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    @Kyle Mack awesome job on this project! This is exactly the strategy I'm looking to do in the West Allis/Milwaukee area. I had a couple questions as a new investor in the area: What was the down payment and closing costs for the hard money loan? Who was the local hard money lender and local credit union you used? I haven't really talked to any conventional lenders about refinancing during a BRRRR but having no seasoning period is so helpful. Any other tips you would give? Thanks!

  • Surveyor · Hemet, CA · Member since 2015 · 797 posts · 112 votes
    9y

    Awesome thread! @Jeff Petsche I am also a Southern California investor let's connect!

  • Surveyor · Hemet, CA · Member since 2015 · 797 posts · 112 votes
    9y

    @Kyle Mack I wanted to ask you it looks like we will have about 550k liquid cash in a 1031 exchange account ready for buying. The thing is my mom doesn't have a job so she doesn't qualify for a conventional loan. What do you recommend hard money? No documentation loans?? Thank you for any insight! 

  • Denver, CO · Member since 2017 · 265 posts · 234 votes
    9y

    Congrats, @Kyle Mack , that's a home run!

    So, in Milwaukee, you're able to find the fixer at 60.7% of ARV (acquire/rehab) for $60.7k, that rents for $1650/mo (2.7% of purchase price)? That sounds like an ideal recipe for BRRRR repeat!

    good luck to you.

  • Investor · SE Wisconsin/NE Illinois · Member since 2012 · 109 posts · 57 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @John Cushing:

    Awesome Kyle Mack were those hardwoods under the carpet?

     Yes, to save money, I thought about keeping the carpets, but they were visibly worn and past their useful life. After lifting one corner of the carpet, I realized that there were beautiful hardwoods underneath, which is obviously a selling point. No brainer to remove the carpets.

  • Investor · SE Wisconsin/NE Illinois · Member since 2012 · 109 posts · 57 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Jeff Petsche:

    Great job @Kyle Mack. Looks like you took a system (BRRR) and applied all the concepts you learned. You're a DOER and that's what separates you from the herd.

    I'm new to investing, but have been a licensed Realtor in California for 14 years on the RETAIL side of the game, but that's about to change. My focus locally (California, Arizona and Nevada) will be wholesaling for NOW MONEY, which is not investing because wholesaling is a transaction based business, but then I'll be looking at buying buy and hold properties in out of state locations where the cash flow makes sense.

    I unfortunately can't really invest in my own backyard here in Southern California because the numbers just don't pencil, for MY CRITERIA anyway.

    Your summary of the deal you took down is EXACTLY what I will be focusing on moving forward with the buy and hold game.

    Good luck with your other deals in the pipeline.

     Let me know if you have any other questions about the Milwaukee market - I would be happy to be a resource for you.

  • Investor · SE Wisconsin/NE Illinois · Member since 2012 · 109 posts · 57 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Nathan Angles:

    @Kyle Mack awesome job on this project! This is exactly the strategy I'm looking to do in the West Allis/Milwaukee area. I had a couple questions as a new investor in the area: What was the down payment and closing costs for the hard money loan? Who was the local hard money lender and local credit union you used? I haven't really talked to any conventional lenders about refinancing during a BRRRR but having no seasoning period is so helpful. Any other tips you would give? Thanks!

     The down-payment was 10% of the total project cost, plus 5 points + $1900 processing fee. The cost is steep, but is a great tool that can be leveraged to do more deals when applied properly. I would contact Sarah Floyd with Milwaukee Hard Money with any other questions. The refinance lender was Educators CU.

  • Real Estate Agent · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2017 · 10 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    Dude! That's incredible! Good job! You inspired me to ask a realtor to find me a duplex to buy, rehab, and rent out!

  • Professional · Gurabo, PUERTO RICO · Member since 2015 · 19 posts · 13 votes
    9y

    Great experience.  Good job!

  • Bronx, NY · Member since 2017 · 1 post · 0 votes
    9y

    Thanks for the information. Those are not that common in our market. I am glad this has proved so productive for you.

  • Co-Owner · New Berlin, WI · Member since 2017 · 224 posts · 71 votes
    9y

    @Kyle Mack Well done.

  • Rochester, NY · Member since 2016 · 26 posts · 5 votes
    9y

    Great Job!

  • Joe BourguignonPro Member
    Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2015 · 73 posts · 14 votes
    9y

    @Kyle Mack, awesome job! I'm looking to do my first BRRRR and this is inspiring! Now I just need to find some stuff that fits the numbers... :)

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