​How BiggerPockets made me $77,000 cash! w/PICS

​How BiggerPockets made me $77,000 cash! w/PICS

Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes

Hello BP friends, 

I just love reading all the wonderful content on this site! I can literally spend hours reading and soaking in all the great stories and advise from so many awesome members. Before I share my recent success, I want to give a big shout out and thank you to @joshdorkin and the rest of the BP team for providing this awesome platform where we can all share, learn and help each other…thank you thank you thank you!

So here’s how BP recently help me…

Lets go back in time, back to October 2015, someone posted here on BP that they had a single family in the same Canadian city I invest in. For those of you who don’t know I live in Southern California and continue to invest back in Canada. I had several conversations with this property owner and we agreed to have my realtor walk the property and provide feedback.

My realtor reported back that the property had a decent size home, double wide driveway and deep lot. However, it had an incredible amount of differed maintenance. Apparently, the same tenants lived in the place for 22 years, paying significantly below market rent, and the owner hadn’t spent much money on the place over all these years.

After speaking with the owner that the place had upwards of $80k in expected renovations, and comps for that particular area were around the $250k range we agreed on a price of $140,000, conditioned on the tenants being vacated.

So now that we had a deal, it wasn’t easy getting the tenants out…I partnered up with a friend back in Canada, and we signed docs March 2016…that’s 5 months from my initial contact with the seller. It took until June 2016 to actually close on the deal because the tenants kept delaying their move out date.

We closed all cash and finally take possession. We initially had a plan to renovate the property, refi and rent it out. Fast forward several months and renovations are going much slower than anticipated…besides completely gutting the place we had to replace the roof, weeping tiles, repointing exterior bricks, rewire the entire house, redo all the plumping, we even had to regrade the entire property so that water flowed away from the house.

Due to being out of country and having a great partner my involvement in this particular project was a minimum. We had our JV in place where all partners first get back all their investment and profits split 50/50 after that. As I shared earlier, our initial plan was to rent it out, but due to the all the surprises we faced we decided to go all out and put the property for sale.

We ended up finishing renos early January and then listed the property. We considered waiting until the spring to list when weather is nicer, however decided competition was less, the market is peaking and we wanted to move on.

We listed the property on a Wednesday for $449,000 holding back offers until completion of open houses over the weekend. However, we still received 2 offers Friday and accepted $445,000 closing in 30 days.

Happy to say we closed and everyone walked away happy as can be.

Here are the numbers:

Sale 445,000

Comm 26,700

Purchase 140,000

Reno 120,000

Legal 4,300

Profit 154,000

Partner 77,000 (before tax)

Thankfully all through the year the market continued to go up…this was our saving grace as in the Spring the provincial government implemented some regulations that seriously affected the market…even if temporarily, but it would have most likely reduced our profits by 20-30%.

So again, thankful for BP and this awesome community.

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On a side note, as our renovations on this place were nearing an end I realized we were going to be the best house on the street and most likely set the new high mark for this street. Another house on the same street came on the market, a small 2 bedroom freehold townhome listed at $130k. I offered $106k and they accepted. Again took 3 mths to close as I conditioned it to tenants being evicted.

That place has ended up being a nice little gold mine. We put $15k in renovations and it rents for $1200/mth plus utility. The attached neighboring unit just sold 2 weeks ago for $220k!

Happy as can be.

Thomas

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Investor · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2016 · 287 posts · 270 votes
9y

So the property appreciated $200,000 from the time you negotiated with the owner to when you sold?  Looks like about 2 years from initial contact with owner to completion/list. 

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  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Stuart Crowell:

    @Thomas Lorini Great job here! curious, this was an on market deal by the sounds of it. Were you confident in your ~450 ARV up front?

    Hey Stuart, thanks for the pat on the back.  

    Going into this we knew the place needed between 60-80k of work. I figured we purchase at 140k, do the renos and we would be around 200-200k all in. 

    In late 2015 comps were around 250k range so we knew we would have some built in equity.  

    However as I mentioned in the story, costs started increasing and the market got real hot...so we shifted gears and started turning it into a higher end flip. We timed it perfectly and sold at the peak of the market closing this past February. 

    Hope that answered your question.  

  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Nickey Calford:

    love this story!!! I am a realtor in London Ontario... have flipped 18 so far and would love to help you find something here:) 

     Hi @Nickey Calford I sent you a colleague request. I'd be interested in exploring some London opportunities further.   

  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Bryan Murphy:
    the quality of the flip looks incredible. well worth the money spent

     Thanks @bryan Murphy!

  • Calgary, Alberta · Member since 2014 · 32 posts · 3 votes
    9y

    @Thomas Lorini What other Canadian cities would you consider investing in?

  • Investor · Northern Virginia · Member since 2017 · 159 posts · 59 votes
    9y

    Great Story!

  • San Rafael, CA · Member since 2015 · 1 post · 1 vote
    9y

    Hi Thomas,

    What a great read here and very inspiring !!! I am contacting to find out more about investing both here in the US (i'm living in San Fran bay area) and back home in Canada...I have been living here for 14 yrs (California) and am really interested in getting started, somehow....originally from Mississauga, and spent my university days at Mac, which is why your story was really interesting to me...was it easy to do the investment from Irvine while the house was in Hamilton...trusted friend to work with back 'home'...i'd love to know more about the process...up where I am in Concord, CA and the entire East Bay, there are a lot of properties in need of fixing and flipping as the Bay Area is getting way over priced with all the tech workers needing places to live etc...

    Great job on the before and after on your purchase and to continue with the rental as well :-)

    cheers,

    Craig

  • Lorain, OH · Member since 2017 · 111 posts · 53 votes
    9y

    a job well done @Thomas Lorini . great finish on the house. I would of painted the front porch railing white imo. but overall the house looks great!!

  • Investor · Waterways, Victoria · Member since 2016 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    Beautiful job, thanks for the share Thomas.

  • Real Estate Entrepreneur · Gibsonton, FL · Member since 2017 · 17 posts · 11 votes
    9y
    Outstanding Reno! Beautifully done, this is why I keep coming back to BP. This has inspired me, never fails.
  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    @Thomas Lorini What other Canadian cities would you consider investing in?

    @Account Closed at this point my comfort zone lies in cities in Ontario, even with all its pro-tenant laws, the team ive built is quite valuable to me.

  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Luis Canino:

    Outstanding Reno! Beautifully done, this is why I keep coming back to BP. This has inspired me, never fails.

    Thanks @luis canino!!

  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Craig Warling:

    Hi Thomas,

    What a great read here and very inspiring !!! I am contacting to find out more about investing both here in the US (i'm living in San Fran bay area) and back home in Canada...I have been living here for 14 yrs (California) and am really interested in getting started, somehow....originally from Mississauga, and spent my university days at Mac, which is why your story was really interesting to me...was it easy to do the investment from Irvine while the house was in Hamilton...trusted friend to work with back 'home'...i'd love to know more about the process...up where I am in Concord, CA and the entire East Bay, there are a lot of properties in need of fixing and flipping as the Bay Area is getting way over priced with all the tech workers needing places to live etc...

    Great job on the before and after on your purchase and to continue with the rental as well :-)

    cheers,

    Craig

     @Craig Curelop thanks for the kind comments! 

    Getting started is the key, needs to get your hands dirty and putting your money to work...even if its small deal.  I moved to SoCal about 3 years ago and find it challenging to get in this market...its taken me 2 years of filing tax returns just to be able to secure a standard mortgage...plus prices in my immediate area are significantly high....my plans are to look inland, but until that happens I've been finding good deals back home in Canada.

    I started investing in Hamilton back in 2011 when everyone i knew from the GTA thought i was nuts....all i heard is that it was a steel town, dirty, bad tenant pool blah blah blah....back then there were all sorts of deals...but sure enough things have turned around and prices are significantly higher easily double in the last 5 years.  

    You ask me about the process and how was it easy to do...well i take a few trips a year back home...I am regularly in touch with my realtors, PM, contractors, tenants via phone, text or emails. Plus i do have local people i trust that can address any emergency things that may come up...

    I would start by researching the market you consider investing in...specifically identifying a city or town with a future and not a past. 

    Whats the cities political climate? Growth atmosphere?

    What are its Infrastructure expansion plans?

    Is cost of labor increasing?

    Is average income increasing faster that province or state average?

    Is the city or towns population growing faster than the province or state average?

    Are jobs being created faster than province or state average?

    Does the area have more than 1 major employer?

    Just a starting point and some things to consider when researching a market you would like to invest in...then there is the entry point....do you have the capital or need to raise the necessary capital....

    So lots to consider but don't let it stop you....research, ask questions, get answers and take action!!

  • Ashley WilsonPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Radnor, PA · Member since 2015 · 178 posts · 125 votes
    9y

    Looks great!!! My husband is from London Ontario, so we have talked a lot about investing in Canada, esp with the dollar.  But so far, we stay in the suburbs of Philadelphia, PA.  Congrats again!

  • Modesto, CA · Member since 2016 · 3 posts · 2 votes
    9y

    Very inspirating, thanks for sharing your journey on that project, love the colors inside n outside 

  • Ian WalshBusiness Member
    Lender · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    It is really nice to give BP the credit and I am sure they helped but the real hero is.....you.  

  • Vendor · Evanston, IL · Member since 2017 · 1 post · 1 vote
    9y

    Thank you for telling your success story Thomas the place looks great. 

  • Investor · Richmond, VA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    @Thomas Lorini,

    Wow!  Looks Fantastic!!!!  I love doing double takes, because a few times i had to ask myself "is this really the same house?!" gorgeous!    

  • BOISE, ID · Member since 2014 · 77 posts · 45 votes
    9y

    Inspiring! The house looks amazing and the profit even more so!

  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    9y
  • James KatsPro Member
    Real Estate Agent · Sioux Falls, SD · Member since 2016 · 45 posts · 60 votes
    9y

    Great job Thomas.  Love how the interior turned out.  And the cash is even better.

  • Rental Property Investor · Orlando, FL · Member since 2017 · 56 posts · 33 votes
    9y
    Awesome work. I live in Oakville and find the market here pretty expensive for cash flow(rent). And i am unsure about flipping as I don't have experience with it. Right now i am sending my money the other way an buying rent property in Atlanta US. However, I would love to invest my money here in Canada. The big thing is always to find the deals and there are different ways. I am not sure where to find them here in Ontario tho. I would love to chat and pattern up with folks here in Ontario.
  • Jake ThompsonPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Albany, OR · Member since 2015 · 312 posts · 136 votes
    9y
    Wow! Is that the same house? Looks great! Congrats!
  • Victoria, BC · Member since 2017 · 6 posts · 3 votes
    9y

    I see investors are buying income properties in
    Thunder Bay Ontario,
    Sudbury ON,
    Muskoka ON,
    Iroquois Falls ON,
    Sarnia ON,
    North Bay ON,
    Brockville ON,
    Peterborough ON,
    Lindsay ON (Durham Region) . . .

    Cheers To You ALL! :) ;)

  • Real Estate Agent · Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 224 posts · 142 votes
    9y
    Arthur Neves thank you for the kind words. There are deals in Ontario just getting harder to find. If your serious about partnering up I'll keep you in mind for future opportunities. Jacob Thompson yes same house! I too can't believe the transformation.... I wish I had some before pictures of the inside...it was pretty bad, major smokers
  • Real Estate Investor · Toronto, Ontario · Member since 2014 · 58 posts · 21 votes
    9y

    Nice Job!!! Congrats I also play in the Hamilton market...Prices are getting stupid thanks to Toronto...:))

    If you don't mind who did the renos?? Im always looking for contractors

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