In need of a partner for down payment on a 12 plex

In need of a partner for down payment on a 12 plex

Rental Property Investor · Moreland Georgia · Member since 2015 · 43 posts · 12 votes

What if? That's what I'm asking myself.. Well they always say find the deal and the money will come.

Please look over this deal and give me any advise. 

https://www.biggerpockets.com/calculators/shared/323987/a4617532-4e35-4aca-b522-6d274b92996c

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Rental Property Investor · Silver Spring, MD · Member since 2017 · 85 posts · 59 votes
9y
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Find a deal and the money will come.............................lol.   You might want to rethink your DEALS.................................lol.

Sorry but after this one i wouldnt touch you with a 100 foot pole.

He made a mistake, realized what it was, and corrected it. There's no need to be rude about it.

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  • Real Estate Broker · Manchester, NH · Member since 2014 · 630 posts · 420 votes
    9y

    @Daniel Taylor, the numbers on the building look pretty good.  Three things I noticed (I'm also not 100% familiar with your market so these might not be completely accurate):

    • Closing costs seem low - $8,000 in closing costs seems exceptionally low for nearly a $1M transfer of real estate.  Admittedly, I come from an area with very high transfer tax, but I could imagine that attorney fees, transfer tax, lender fees, and other miscellaneous items might come up during closing.  Contact a local commercial lender to get at least a ballpark figure for closing costs in your area
    • No water/sewer expense - Unless this is already submetered and the tenant covers the cost (in which case, congratulations!), I'd ask for water/sewer bills for the last year to get an idea what this costs
    • Vacancy factor is low - Even if the actual occupancy rate is 100% for the past year, people do move and when they move, it costs you money.  Even if the vacancy rate for the building is 5% in practice, the turnover costs associated with vacant units should be budgeted in.  Anywhere from 8%-10% is a more realistic number because if you have a management company in place, you can expect to pay a fee whenever they lease a unit.  Additionally, this factors in the "turnover costs" of the unit.  Repainting, cleaning, etc.  This also budgets in money for the time when there's an eviction and it takes months to get a tenant out of a unit.  Not something we ever hope for, but something that's important to take into account.  

    All in all, these do look like really good numbers.  Just wanted to point out a couple of extra things I noticed in the analysis.  Best of luck!  

  • Rental Property Investor · Moreland Georgia · Member since 2015 · 43 posts · 12 votes
    9y
    Thank you so much for the advise. I will take all that advise and make the changes.
  • Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2017 · 791 posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    Insurance of $200.00 a month seems very low. Is that an actual quote or a guess? 

    Overall, the 37% expense factor seems low in general unless everything is nearly brand new. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Moreland Georgia · Member since 2015 · 43 posts · 12 votes
    9y

    I made all the changes suggested and it still looks like good numbers.

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/calculators/shared/323987/671e6e35-38c5-4605-be91-b45fbdd852dc

  • Rental Property Investor · Moreland Georgia · Member since 2015 · 43 posts · 12 votes
    9y

    thank you very much 

  • Rental Property Investor · Moreland Georgia · Member since 2015 · 43 posts · 12 votes
    9y

    The insurance was a complete guess

  • Real Estate Investor · Encinitas, CA · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y
    Daniel Taylor So here's maybe the most salient issue: Your projected monthly income is (ballpark) $14K. That's an average of $1,166 per unit. The last time a unit was rented it was for $700 and the "upcoming 9/1" rent-ask is $750. So let's say the average is $725. $725 per-unit with 14 units is: $10,150. So (and it's a HUGE assumption) that the listed units are representative of the property, you need to increase gross rents by 38% to get to your projections: $10,150 $3,857 (38% of current rents) ----------- $14,007 Now maybe there two units are small but larger units won't have to rent for a lot more to balance it out. If you use my (admittedly random best-guess) for rent levels at the 50% rule you get: $10,150 gross rents 50% rule ----------- $5,075 NOI $4,910 your debt service number ----------- $165 monthly cash-flow, $1,980 per year $1,980/$186K down = 1% cash-on-cash return 🤷🏻‍♂️
  • Rental Property Investor · Moreland Georgia · Member since 2015 · 43 posts · 12 votes
    9y

    yeah just called to see what the actual rents are they average 680 each so this changes things.

  • Rental Property Investor · Moreland Georgia · Member since 2015 · 43 posts · 12 votes
    9y

    The best and highest would need to be 500k

    Thanks guys I learned a lot from this 

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/calculators/shared/3...

  • Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2017 · 791 posts · 1k+ votes
    9y
    WOAH! That's a huge difference in rents.
  • Realtor · NW Suburbs of Chicago, IL · Member since 2015 · 156 posts · 62 votes
    9y

    I love BP for THIS very reason! Education and connection on-demand! Love this community! :)

  • Rental Property Investor · Moreland Georgia · Member since 2015 · 43 posts · 12 votes
    9y
    Ha yes that's the last time I use bestplaces.com to estimate what the rent should be.
  • Investor · atlanta , GA · Member since 2012 · 287 posts · 148 votes
    9y

    I've seen these buildings on the MLS for a short while now. Love Peachtree City, but only 12 units for that price when the buildings were built in the 1960's. I just looked at 17 units for 1.1 million that are nearly new. The age and the cap x expenses scared me on this one. The other issue that I didn't like were all the window unit A/C on all the buildings. It appears that none of the units have been updated in a number of years. There's another potential expense.

  • Multifamily Investor · Newport Beach, CA · Member since 2015 · 176 posts · 182 votes
    9y

    Great to see some solid advice and breaking down numbers here. GO TEAM!

  • Investor · atlanta , GA · Member since 2012 · 287 posts · 148 votes
    9y

    I guess I should have mentioned the MLS price is almost a million. Now, if you can pick those buildings up in that area for 500,000, that's a steal! Good luck to you.

  • Rental Property Investor · Moreland Georgia · Member since 2015 · 43 posts · 12 votes
    9y

    I agree thanks all. 500k would be a max price.

  • Raleigh, NC · Member since 2017 · 15 posts · 1 vote
    9y
    Originally posted by @Andrew Johnson:

    Daniel Taylor So here's maybe the most salient issue:

    Your projected monthly income is (ballpark) $14K. That's an average of $1,166 per unit. The last time a unit was rented it was for $700 and the "upcoming 9/1" rent-ask is $750. So let's say the average is $725. $725 per-unit with 14 units is: $10,150. So (and it's a HUGE assumption) that the listed units are representative of the property, you need to increase gross rents by 38% to get to your projections:

    $10,150
    $3,857 (38% of current rents)
    -----------
    $14,007

    Now maybe there two units are small but larger units won't have to rent for a lot more to balance it out.

    If you use my (admittedly random best-guess) for rent levels at the 50% rule you get:

    $10,150 gross rents
    50% rule
    -----------
    $5,075 NOI
    $4,910 your debt service number
    -----------
    $165 monthly cash-flow, $1,980 per year

    $1,980/$186K down = 1% cash-on-cash return

    🤷🏻♂️

     What is ment by "debt service number"

  • Rental Property Investor · Silver Spring, MD · Member since 2017 · 85 posts · 59 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    Find a deal and the money will come.............................lol.   You might want to rethink your DEALS.................................lol.

    Sorry but after this one i wouldnt touch you with a 100 foot pole.

    He made a mistake, realized what it was, and corrected it. There's no need to be rude about it.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · New Britain, CT · Member since 2017 · 80 posts · 28 votes
    9y

    That was quite a twist! 

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Madison, WI · Member since 2017 · 49 posts · 14 votes
    9y
    @Chris Co debt service = monthly mortgage payments (all combined - 1st, 2nd, from lenders or seller, etc.) Please correct me if I'm wrong.
  • Investor · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2013 · 24 posts · 21 votes
    9y

    Way to put yourself out there Daniel, don't pay attention to that negative BS posted by Cheechee.  Keep at it.

  • Rental Property Investor · Moreland Georgia · Member since 2015 · 43 posts · 12 votes
    9y

    Thanks Geoff, I learned a lot from this one post. Next time more research and better numbers will be used. 

  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Daniel Taylor:

    I agree thanks all. 500k would be a max price.

     $501,764 sounds a lot better.  Less likely to be countered or round-filed. At least appear like you did a detailed analysis.

    How would the 'partnership' work? Membership in an LLC? Debt only?

  • Investor · Willow Spring, NC · Member since 2009 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y

    The same number for each unit ($1163) is a dead giveaway that the numbers are either pro-forma or just swags. Seldom is $1163 used as a lease amount and less seldom are all units leased at the same amount, since there will be variability over time and most people don't move in on the same day, month or year. 

    I applaud the effort. 

    For next time, as you know it's critical to get correct (accurate) lease information. Less important initially, but also good to get insurance loss runs on a building this old (at 50 years) along with identifying functional obsolescence items (e.g. no central air). $200 (even $500) is a giveaway that you didn't get a quote and do your homework. 

    As you probably know, the price of $930,000 is an awful number regardless of the property, simply because the national GSE MF Financing cutoff minimum is $1M. Generally you will find sailing is easier with most money partners if the sale amount is over $1.2M or under $500K. Most HNW partners will want to know your deal falls within the Fannie Mae or small loan standards. 

    BTW, many investor/partners (unless they know you personally) will hit a couple yellow flags in the first 10 seconds or so (like the above) and call it quits. 

  • Jeff G.Pro Member
    Investor · Wethersfield, CT · Member since 2013 · 371 posts · 191 votes
    9y

    @Daniel Taylor, I use https://www.rentometer.com/ to analyze rentals. Give it a try and see if that helps with your numbers.

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