25 units at 24 years old - What I've learned

25 units at 24 years old - What I've learned

Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2016 · 245 posts · 436 votes

Last week, I closed on a triplex and my portfolio hit 25 units, and I wanted to share what I've learned in the hope that it may help some investors who are starting out (both young and old). This deal:

Purchase Price: $162,500

Rehab required: $10,000

ARV: 220,000

Monthly rents: $2,800

My monthly cash flow will likely total ~$350, depending on what I ultimately get for rents. I'll probably leave about $10,000 in the building after I refinance, which is more than I'd like but still makes it a good deal (for my criteria). 

Anyways, what I've learned:

- Start networking with private money lenders immediately. Even if you plan to use conventional financing for your first deal or two, you'll never be able to effectively scale and consistently close on great deals if you don't use private financing. In today's market, you just can't consistently compete (if you are looking to do a number of deals in a short amount of time) using traditional financing. When meeting with private lenders, bring sample deals that would be an example of what you'd pitch them so you can truly evaluate what caliber of deals you will need to find to secure financing.

- Start focusing on equity, not cash flow. Of course, it is essential to analyze cash flow when evaluating a potential buy and hold investment, however, I've found that the best investors are the ones who focus on leaving minimal cash in deals (and buying with equity on the front end). Stop focusing on dollars a month in cash flow, and start worrying about how much below market you are buying the property at and what your cash on cash return will be (as a %). I own properties where I make $50/door in cash flow, some people may laugh at that, but I have no money in the deal (infinite return).

- Despite the goal of not leaving cash in deals, you'll have a hard time responsibly closing on deals if you don't have cash in the bank (closing costs, inspections during due diligence, paying contractors after you close, dealing with unforeseen problems). With that being said, if you truly don't have money in the bank, focus on increasing your income before trying to figure out how to buy real estate with truly no money down.

- Always buy with your exit in mind (even if you plan to hold long term). I recently had difficulty selling the first property I bought because it had an undersized septic tank and a dug well servicing the building (not a drilled well). As a result, it didn't qualify for FHA/VA/conventional financing and my buyer pool shrunk significantly. While I ended up finding a buyer, my selling price took a serious hit (learning experience!).

- Focus on getting in the game. Don't feel the need to hit a home run on your first deal.. a single or double is better than sitting on the sidelines. If you're young and can't get conventional financing, use commercial financing. Most of my 2-4 unit properties are financed with commercial loans because I won't qualify for a traditional 30 year, fixed-rate mortgages.. sure the terms are worse but it's better than not owning property.

Best of luck to everyone!

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Peter TverdovBusiness Member
Developer · New Brunswick, NJ · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
7y

Sorry to be a wet blanket, but you're equity stripping everything, leaving your cash flow dangerously thin on already tiny properties at this point in time of the real estate cycle when rates are increasing and we've seen a 10 year run? I hope you're LTVs are 60-70% on those refis and not 75-80%. What is your plan when commercial loans re-set in 5 years and the rates are 7%? Your $50 or even $350 a month cash flows will go south in a damn hurry. 

I'm going to venture a guess you have little to no real reserves (credit is not a reserve) and that you haven't factored in what happens if rental markets get soft or drop.

What could go wrong being mortgaged to death? 

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  • Investor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2015 · 625 posts · 601 votes
    7y
    @Mark M. Haters gonna hate. If someone is killing it in the midwest or wherever he is there is no reason to go to an over priced market lol.
  • Johnny PineyroPro Member
    Golden Oak, FL · Member since 2018 · 78 posts · 25 votes
    7y

    Great job man!

  • Real Estate Broker · Virginia Beach, VA · Member since 2014 · 127 posts · 31 votes
    7y

    Super impressive!  

  • Investor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2017 · 791 posts · 479 votes
    7y

    @Axel Ragnarsson congrats and thanks for sharing!

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 41 posts · 14 votes
    7y

    Good evening Axel,

    The growth you made is phenomenal. I like your strategy in terms of leverage, and that you are yet very conservative. I'm about to close my first deal with a cash purchase, and have a question for you regarding refinancing. This is a good deal, which will give me a lot of equity, and a significant cashflow due to rents being at 2%. Due to a car business that I have owner for several years, I was able to save up significant amount of cash, and build connections with a lot of people who are willing to invest with me; I have access to more lenders, than to the amount of deals I can find. However, I have 1 problem - I'm 20 years old. You did mention that you do not currently qualify for conventional financing; may I ask why? I hope this is not because of your age. The only single concern that I have is refinancing the deal(s). I have the income and credit to qualify, however, I am afraid that banks might disregard me due to my age. I would appreciate your thoughts on this matter. Thank you. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Member since 2018 · 27 posts · 19 votes
    7y

    Congrats on your success! I totally agree with everything you said. 

    Acquisition for equity with massive potential to pull up cash flow is a great deal on its own. 

    It took me some time to find my comfort zone in terms of how much to leverage, but I think I find my sweet spot. I used some LOC on my last deal and it has been working great.

  • Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2016 · 245 posts · 436 votes
    7y

    @Tashinga Musekiwa The lenders I work with pulled my credit initially but haven't after the first deal that we've done. They are much more concerned with the numbers on the deal, the plans for the property, and the terms on the debt. I think this is pretty standard practice for the smaller lenders who make a few loans to a few investors a year, as for the larger lending companies, maybe not - but I haven't worked with them so I wouldn't know. 

  • Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2016 · 245 posts · 436 votes
    7y

    @Joshua Lidberg Thank you! Congratulations on getting started so young, I'm sure you'll be much farther along by the time you reach my age. I actually flipped cars in high school and college which is how I made earned enough money to get into the business... looks like we have similar stories. As for the issues I've had with financing, it was typically due to the fact that the income I was showing on my tax returns wasn't high enough to be qualified for conventional financing. I'm still running into this issue now since my tax returns haven't caught up to the growth of my business yet and likely won't for 1-2 more years. I would talk to some lenders (and give them your returns and current income verification) and ask them if you think you'll have trouble refinancing a property when the time comes, then you'll have the peace of mind you'll need to continue buying with the plan of refinancing. 

  • Johnny PineyroPro Member
    Golden Oak, FL · Member since 2018 · 78 posts · 25 votes
    7y

    Joshua, get someone to co-sign that is older and will mentor you.

  • Specialist · USA · Member since 2016 · 226 posts · 51 votes
    7y

    @Axel Ragnarsson

    Appreciate the story Axel. How many units is your largest asset?

  • Specialist · USA · Member since 2016 · 226 posts · 51 votes
    7y

    @Javier D.

    Javier, do you own all 60 units in south florida?

  • Investor · FL · Member since 2017 · 266 posts · 220 votes
    7y

    @Jared Carpenter

    Yes sir.

  • Specialist · USA · Member since 2016 · 226 posts · 51 votes
    7y

    @Javier D.

    That has to be a pretty good price per pound. How many properties are your 60 units across? Is this your full time hustle?

  • Investor · FL · Member since 2017 · 266 posts · 220 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Jared Carpenter:

    @Javier D.

    That has to be a pretty good price per pound. How many properties are your 60 units across? Is this your full time hustle?

     21 unit lev (2/1s)

    10 unit lev (1/1s)

    2 4plex lev (2/1s)

    3 duplex lev(2/1s)

    1 duplex cash (2/1s)

    1 condo cash(3/2)

    12 sfr cash(3/2s and 4/2s)

    =57 doors

    Lev= leveraged 75-80% of purchase price . 

    C+ neighborhoods. Miami Dade and Broward counties.

    I had some in Lee county but sold them a few months ago to buy the 21 and 10 unit

  • Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2016 · 245 posts · 436 votes
    7y

    @Jared Carpenter My largest property is just 6 units - hoping to do a 10+ unit deal in 2019.

  • Member since 2019 · 68 posts · 8 votes
    7y

    @Axel Ragnarsson I just moved to Manchester from Boston and looking mainly 4+ units in sorta remote C neighborhood towns like Sullivan and Coos county ? Have you had any experience in there yet ? Sullivan county looks better with opportunity zones and higher rents compared to the other ones towns are turning into ghost towns with people leaving. Challenge there is property management , there aren't many.

    I would love to get a 4 unit in Manchester with myself occupying one unit but dont see any motivating deal . Any off-market or private network might suggest? Inventory super low. If you could help little would be appreciated

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