First Fix and Flip. Eye-sore SFR into beautiful home.

First Fix and Flip. Eye-sore SFR into beautiful home.

Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2014 · 16 posts · 50 votes

Investment Info:

Single-family residence fix & flip investment.

Purchase price: $78,000
Cash invested: $59,000
Sale price: $137,793

After years wanting to invest in real estate, I finally took the plunge and made a cash purchase of an older SFR in SERIOUS need of TLC. I found the deal through a wholesaling company that has me on their email list. This particular home had sat vacant for 10 plus years since the previous owner had passed away. It's only occupants in that time were small mammals and insects. After an extensive rehab that went way over budget (both in terms of time and money), roughly 600 hours of mine and my wife's time, and some hard lessons learned, we listed the property and managed to sell for top market dollar. We managed to barely break even.

My approach of throw a lot of money and hard manual labor at the problem would have almost definitely resulted in a massive loss if it weren't for my wife. Her choices in design and decor resulted in immediate interest from lots of buyers, and the fact that she had just received her real estate license allowed us to avoid paying a seller agent fee. She really saved the day!

The whole situation made me reassess if fix and flip is the strategy I want to pursue. For now, as of April 2019, we are saving capital and focusing on our education.

Some highlights from the experience:

I purchased the home and paid for the rehab with a combo of cash and lines of bank credit and consumer credit cards. I love my Home Depot CC and it's 0% APR!

The GC we went with estimated the rehab time at 4-6 weeks. He took 13 weeks. This alone had a serious hit on profits due to how I had financed the deal.

I personally spent about 20 hours crawling through the attic on hands and knees with trash bags and a shop vac, removing critter pee-soaked insulation, rodent poop, snake skins and a dead squirrel. Can't recommend the experience.

Growing up, we had no mature trees in our yard. I always thought I wanted big trees. Clearing a half acre of overgrowth and fallen limbs by myself made me reassess this desire.

I won't get into particulars, but we learned that it would have been prudent to check the sex offender registry map prior to buying a fix and flip. A potential buyer's due diligence on that front lost us a contract and ultimately set our close date back a month. I spoke to family of the offender, and I honestly believe he got a bad break (serious baby momma drama - not to get all men's rights activist here, but it is truly unholy how much weight the word of a woman-scorned carries in our justice system, particular if the accused cant afford a decent attorney.) That being said, I can't blame a buyer for getting cold feet based on registry results.

After the sale, I looked at where in process I could have saved money. I came up with roughly $12k that could have been profit had I gone about things differently. We learned a lot, and now a long-standing eye sore is a cute house with a nice family living in it.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I was looking to supplement my W2 income and get my feet wet with real estate investment. I underestimated the depth of the water and its contents.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

Wholesaling company that I had first spoken to a couple years prior and had been on their email list since. I paid them what the were asking.

How did you finance this deal?

Cash and loc's

How did you add value to the deal?

Full rehab. AC, electrical, kitchen, baths, roof, floors, paint, appliances, etc.

What was the outcome?

Break even, not including hundreds of hours of my time.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Don't put the time-pressure of high interest credit on yourself when you have a lot to figure out. Prime example: I rushed into accepting the second GC bid I received. He seemed nice and honest enough but there were some serious conflicts between his expectations and mine that put us far over our time and money budgets. Had I a clearer idea of what I needed in a GC and taken a couple more weeks to settle on one, this process could have been much less painful and more lucrative.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

My wife! Dominique Sharp is a top notch agent and I can't wait to see her achieve massive success as she progresses through her career.

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Member since 2018 · 1 post · 14 votes
7y

This is why I like buy and hold for rental income.  After all that work you're missing out on the passive income. When I do a renovation, I do it right then hold it for passive income for the rest of my life. Luxury vinyl plank flooring and no carpeting work great for me and tenants love it.

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  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    7y

    Nice job! Looks like you had a house with too many things wrong, - been there - however, you did not loose money and got a fantastic education! 

    Limiting the length of your scope of work is key to make money in flipping. It's an art to know, which things to NOT fix. You also have to watch out with spending money on what's inside the walls, there is zero ROI on replacing 60 year old plumbing, even tough it's the right thing to do.

  • Johnson City, TN · Member since 2017 · 209 posts · 367 votes
    7y

    Looks like you had 137k invested and sold for about $700 more than that. Where is your real estate commission cost?

  • Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2014 · 16 posts · 50 votes
    7y

    Don, I just review my closing disclosure. Our actual sale price was $146k. The cash due to seller was 137,793. The total I paid in closing was $8205. My wife was my listing agent so we didn't have a commission to pay on that end. Any advice for how to post in the future so as to be more clear?

    Marcus, that is some great advice on limiting work scope. I honestly hadn't considered the ROI on things like old plumbing going into this but I will certainly keep that in mind when analyzing future deals. Thanks!

  • Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2014 · 16 posts · 50 votes
    7y
  • Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2014 · 16 posts · 50 votes
    7y
  • New York City · Member since 2019 · 14 posts · 12 votes
    7y

    Great Job! As a new guy here pretty nice to see others just starting out in this world.

  • Marci DeArribaPro Member
    Real Estate Agent · St. Louis MO · Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 10 votes
    7y

    Great job.  Can't put a price on the education you received, and you didn't LOSE money!  I admire this.

  • Denver, CO · Member since 2018 · 8 posts · 9 votes
    7y

    Wow to both the pics you posted! Interior is beautiful, and yep I've had to clear out vegetation, SUCKS! Literally back-breaking work.

    Good job on lessons learned, and thank you for sharing your story.

  • Member since 2018 · 1 post · 14 votes
    7y

    This is why I like buy and hold for rental income.  After all that work you're missing out on the passive income. When I do a renovation, I do it right then hold it for passive income for the rest of my life. Luxury vinyl plank flooring and no carpeting work great for me and tenants love it.

  • Member since 2019 · 1 post · 1 vote
    7y

    Thank you for posting.

  • Real Estate Agent · Gulfport, MS · Member since 2018 · 6 posts · 15 votes
    7y

    Great story and read. All too often you only here the amazing deals and the tons of money they make... It's nice to hear a story that didn't go over so well, and makes you think a bit. Its not always easy and perfect.

  • Rental Property Investor · Concord, GA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    Good post. Flipping houses is a lot more "complicated" than touted on late night TV. You actually did ok on this one as education is expensive and you got a lot of it for not too much money. The next one will probably go smoother and the one after that...

  • Member since 2018 · 1 post · 2 votes
    7y

    Nathan I’m glad you told your story of how real it was.. The house turned out beautiful and you didn’t loose money. Like Samantha said I probably would’ve kept it for residual income. But you did great!

  • Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    I think this is a 100% success and here's why. You jumped in, got it done and did not lose a dime. Your time is your education/learning curve that everyone, in every business, has to endure. Plenty of people lose their fanny in a case like yours.

    Your wife has good taste. A nice balance between trendy and classic. I totally dig that green. It's actually a very classic color. One question, where the heck is the window on the front right wall??? LOL.

    We were discussing painting brick in another thread and I think this is a case where it made sense. Generally I would not do it but sometimes it's too darn ugly.

    I think having someone who can knock the design out of the park is extremely helpful, maybe even essential, for flippers. I think about that one TV show with the couple from Vegas (I think?). The guy is a total jerk and is always harping on his wife. Yet, she is great with design and saves his fanny, while he yells at her for "screwing up". Probably an act, but it still annoys me. Anywhoos...I'm glad to read you give credit where due!

    You went through the "how hard can it be?" syndrome. Now you know!

    Give it a few months. The itch might return.

  • Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2018 · 20 posts · 8 votes
    7y

    @Nathan Sharp i really do appreciate you sharing your flipping story and although it wasnt a profitable deal it is definitely a great education experience! I’m sure in your next deal or your next adventure it will be a much more pleasant experience given you have taken the courage to start!

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Orland Park, IL · Member since 2009 · 1 post · 2 votes
    7y

    Hey Nathan, Great job! I remember when I did my first flip (back in the 1980's) I was scarred to death! I got lucky and was able to make $37K, but after that there were a couple deals that I broke even as well. 

    I continued to rehab up until the crash in 2008 but plan to get back into it. Don't give up it actually gets easier as you aquire more knowledge.

    To your success,

    Sal Cervantes

  • Napa, CA · Member since 2017 · 57 posts · 27 votes
    7y

    @Nathan Sharp I appreciate you posting your flip and keeping it real and honest. There's a tendency towards podcasts and posts of being all REI rainbows and unicorns. It can diminish overall credibility, and I think it's important to share our mishaps so we can all relate and learn.

    I'm finishing up an OOS rehab buy and hold that has gone seriously sideways on the time frame. Similarly to you, it came from having a contractor who is honest and hardworking, but just not experienced enough to handle the job. If I had managed it better, my outcome would have been better. (I have a habit of thinking that if someone says they're going to do something then it will get done when they said it would, because that's what I do, therefore, I don't need to manage them...) Lessons learned. I'll repeat the process doing things differently next time. 

    Good for you and your wife taking on the project and seeing it through. Next time will be better, and it sounds like your wife is on her way in a new RE career. :)

  • Investor · Colorado Springs · Member since 2016 · 234 posts · 150 votes
    7y

    Thanks for posting Nathan! Way to jump in and get started! All great comments too. Contractor is as key to flipping as tenants are to bu

  • Investor · Colorado Springs · Member since 2016 · 234 posts · 150 votes
    7y

    Hit post by mistake — sorry everyone.  What I was going to say is that hiring a good contractor for a flip is as crucial as placing good tenants if you are using a buy and hold strategy 

  • Member since 2019 · 1 post · 1 vote
    7y

    Nice transformation!

  • Real Estate Agent · Worcester, MA · Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    @Nathan Sharp beautiful

  • Member since 2018 · 29 posts · 20 votes
    7y

    @Nathan Sharp You did what most will never do! It takes courage and you should be proud. I see great things in your future.

    Congrats.

    Michael McCoy

  • Ray DipasupilPro Member
    Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 149 posts · 51 votes
    7y

    What kind of Home Depot CC did you use that was 0%? They have a few. Could you link it here?

    Congrats!

  • Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2014 · 16 posts · 50 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Ray Dipasupil:

    What kind of Home Depot CC did you use that was 0%? They have a few. Could you link it here?

    Congrats!

     More often than not Home Depot has promotions on their consumer credit card (through citi-retail) that allow you 0% apr for 6,12, or 24 months, depending how much you spend. Since I racked up almost $20 grand in charges there and the flip took 7 months, this really saved me some money. At times when they don’t have a current promotion I’ve just asked the cashier if they could honor it and they’ve never said no.

  • Specialist · Nashville, TN · Member since 2019 · 10 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    @Nathan Sharp

    Great advice, lots of helpful and educational thoughts on your venture.

    People just getting going will really need to consider that it never comes out based off initial calculations of how much time or how much money into a project!! Very cool 2 share :)

    House looks great, nice work.

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