1st BRRRR Success(ish)

1st BRRRR Success(ish)

Michael DohertyBusiness Member
Real Estate Agent · West Hartford, CT · Member since 2016 · 449 posts · 476 votes

Here's a recount of my first BRRRR (Buy- Renovate-Rent-Refinance-Repeat) deal with specific details/numbers. This post is long and detailed, but for those who spend the time to read through it, I hope it helps.

How did I found the deal:

I found this deal on the MLS. It was a foreclosure and soon after submitting my offer, I found out another investor outbid me. It wasn't until 2 weeks later, my agent informed me the original investors financing fell through and my offer was accepted.

The Property and Location:

The property is an oversized two family house right next to a major Hospital and University in Middletown, Ct. Unit 1 has 3BR 1B and Unit 2 has 3BR 1B with 2 large rooms in the finished attic. From a location standpoint, I was pretty familiar with the area and believed it would be sought after in 3-5 years. I have already started to see many restaurants and breweries popping up in town.

Financing:

Listing: $130k 

Purchase Price: $118k

Financing: Hard Money Lender to fund 90% of the Purchase Price, 90% of the renovations for 3pts and 11.5% interest for 12 months no prepayment penalty. I had only done 2 prior deals (no flips) so the rate was slightly higher.

Rehab Budget: $30k

ARV (estimate): $215k

Rent (estimate): $2,800

  • Scope of work: 
    Convert Unit 2 from electric to gas heat. Unit 1 had already been converted so I knew gas lines were in place.
  • Install new on demand hot water system for 2nd floor unit. 
  • Install Luxury Vinyl Plank flooring (LVP) throughout both units (Home Decorators Collection Blue Cedar Grey from Home Depot)
  • Install new counter tops and cabinets in 2nd floor kitchen
  • New Vanity/shower for 2nd floor unit
  • Install 3 new windows
  • Install Sump pump in basement
  • Update washer dryer hooks (each unit)
  • Paint all ceilings/walls/ trim ( Agreeable Grey from Sherman Williams)
  • New appliances for 2nd floor kitchen (used from Facebook Market Place)

Holding Costs: $8,271

  • 4 months of $1,284 interest only payments
  • Taxes
  • Utilities
  • 6 months Builders Risk/General Liability Premium

After all said and done I spent $28,397 (not included holding costs) and was under budget!

Rent:

I was able to rent the top unit for $1,400 and the bottom unit for $1,375 totaling $2,775.

Refinance:

Because the renovation only took 3 months, I was looking for a lender who would refinance the deal without a seasoning period. After doing some research I came across a lender (found him here on Bigger Pockets) who would do a 75% cash out refi, 30 yr fixed @5.965% for 2.5pts, No seasoning.

When I originally financed the deal with the hard money lender I received two appraisals. The first was an as is appraisal for $120k. It also included a projected appraisal (including the scope of my work) for $220k (5k higher than my ARV!!)

Unfortunately my REFI appraisal came back at $201,500- 17k under the projected appraisal.

My lender then agreed to change the terms to 80% LTV to make this work. Two days before closing they changed their mind and could no longer do the 80% LTV, only 75% LTV. They would not budge and did not let me dispute the appraisal so I ended up dropping them and starting my search over. Moreover, I ended up finding another lender who would finance 75% cash out, 1.5pts, 30 yr fixed at 6.6% no seasoning. Their appraisal it came back @ $200,500- 1k less than the original!!!! At this point I figured I was sh** out of luck and should just eat the difference. However, I ended up writing a very detailed letter to the appraiser explaining why I think certain comps should be used vs others and he ended up increasing the value to $205,000!!!.

So after all said and done here is was the numbers look like:

Hard Money Loan

Hard Money Loan Payoff: $134k

Cash into the deal: $24k (includes 10% down on loan, 10% of rehab costs, closing costs)

Refi: 75% of $205,000= $153,750

Cash out: $153,750- $135k(hard money pay off)= $18,750

Closing costs: $9k (escrowed taxes and Insurance)

Cash left in the deal= $14,250

  • Math behind it: (18,750-9k)= $9,750 (24k-9,750) = $14,250
  • In other words, I was able to walk with a check for $9,750 even though I received $18,750 cash out from the bank. After my initial investment of $24,000- $9750 (check) leaves me with $14,250 left in deal as mentioned above.
  • The house could conservatively sell for $220,000 in its current state. If you were to put a traditional 20% down you would be $44,000 out of pocket w/o closing costs instead of $14,250. THAT is the power of the BRRRR.

Monthly Debt Service

PITI= $1,501

Income: $2,775

Monthly Cash flow before expenses: $774

What did I learn?

Always, Always, Always have a conservative ARV. The appraisal part of the process is the only part that is completely out of your control. Another human is determining your properties value and it is completely subjective. It still boggles my mind that we do not have a automatized system for appraisals yet.

Don’t be scared to fire your contractor at any point in the process. I would personally rather pay a higher rate for a contractor that does not eat up my time/money and can execute the job correctly.

I will most likely use the delayed financing technique described in the forums on my next BRRRR.

Trying to find a lender who does not require seasoning and still has a competitive rate proved to be a challenge

DO NOT let you emotions get the best of you. It's a business, treat it like one. If I didn't get so angry with my REFI lender who changed his terms from 80% LTV to 75% at the last minute- I would be left with a 30 yr fixed rate @5.96% instead of 6.6%.

It still costs money to complete the BRRRR. You need working capital and should have reserves for the unexpected.

What’s next?

I plan on holding onto this asset. Since completely the BRRRR process, I honestly think it is one of the best methods in REI to scale and build wealth. It is NOT a get reach quick scheme, but a way to have a cash flowing asset with all the deferred maintenance complete without having to put the traditional 20% down. I have since partnered with someone and purchased a 3 family. Our intention was to BRRRR but the lack of comps in the area have steered us towards a flip.

Please comment with your thoughts, tips, advice and stories.

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Realtor · Hanover Twp, PA · Member since 2018 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
6y

@Michael Doherty, GREAT job! Also an excellent write-up.

I agree with you about appraisals. For 1-4 units comparable sales will be the method they rely on and it is very difficult to compare small multi-family homes. Many times there is insufficient info about the condition of these comparable sales. Tenants don't like pictures taken when a house is being sold so appraisers are sort of left to guess.

For a 5+ unit the income approach would be the method used. So, it should in theory be more precise to predict the appraisal value up front.

When I do a cash-out refi now, I always walk the property with the appraiser myself. I bring printouts of what I think are good comparable sales and I just tell the appraiser what value I am looking for and why. So, I give the appraiser good info and tell them what I think and why. Since I have started doing this my appraisals have gone well. 

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  • Real Estate Agent · Reston, VA · Member since 2017 · 295 posts · 163 votes
    6y

    Completely love all the details you are giving. Could you share your hard money lender and do you think the 11% rate is too high?.

  • Michael DohertyBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · West Hartford, CT · Member since 2016 · 449 posts · 476 votes
    6y

    @Ika Sargeant no problem, glad you found the details valuable. I think for someone with no prior relationship with a lender and no prior flips it’s a great deal. Don’t just look at the rate- consider all the terms, points, pre payment, Penalties, draw process ect. 

    For perspective, I funded my most recent project with the same lender for 9.99% And 2.5 points so it does get cheaper with experience and relationship. 

  • Denver, CO · Member since 2015 · 16 posts · 3 votes
    6y

    I enjoyed the post.  I also appreciate the numbers. I was wondering was seasoning is? Thanks!

  • Rental Property Investor · Long Island, NY · Member since 2019 · 30 posts · 7 votes
    6y

    Can you go deeper into the hard-money lender/seasoning part. With a hard money lender, aren't you looking to minimize the time you have this loan since the interest rate is so high? Don't you have to make sure the rehab goes pretty quick? How are you renting this house out first with this hard-money loan outstanding?

  • Michael DohertyBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · West Hartford, CT · Member since 2016 · 449 posts · 476 votes
    6y

    @Jessica Bonelli a lot of lenders look for the property to be 'seasoned' meaning ownership in your name (day you close) for a set amount of time... 6 months usually. Some lenders only require you to show proof of leases. So depending on how quick your rehab and renting out goes... it could be a quick turnaround. 

  • Member since 2019 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    @Michael Doherty how did you decide what to renovate in order to maximize value/dollar?

  • Michael DohertyBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · West Hartford, CT · Member since 2016 · 449 posts · 476 votes
    6y

    @Dan Colantonio you definitely want to complete the rehab as quick as possible to minimize the length of your hard money loan due to the high interest rate- too your point. With my particular lender there was no pre payment penalty so I could pay him off in a month if possible but I had up to 12 months.

    You’ll want to renovate and rent out at least 1 unit ASAP so you can start having income coming in to cover your interest only loan. So in my rehab I focused primarily on getting the first unit ready for rent before moving on to the second.
    This will buy you enough time to shop around for lenders for the refi. Although as many have pointed out In previous forums, you should have already done your homework and have a REFI lender lined up. 

    The hard money lender doesn’t care what you do With the asset as long as they continue to receive their monthly interest. Whether the money comes out of Your pocket or your tenants... it’s all the same to them. Hope that helps Clarify some things. 

  • Michael DohertyBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · West Hartford, CT · Member since 2016 · 449 posts · 476 votes
    6y

    @Zayd Alameddine great question- there’s a lot of great articles and forum And debates on this. 
    Here's a link to a article that discusses some items that are a decent ROI for your money. https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

    Every market is going to be different. I knew in my market that electric heat is a turn off for renters. So the 10k it cost to convert to natural Gas( including a brand new on demand system) was great for renters and also a great re-sale feature. I knew that I wouldn’t get my money back on granite counter tops vs Laminate. I knew that because I was keeping it, I wanted to spend the extra money on waterproof And essentially ‘tenant’ proof LVP flooring vs other options.
    A big decision for me was whether or not to reside the house (15k). I opted not to because frankly tenants in my market don’t care what the exterior siding looks like. If I was going to flip it, I think I would have made the investment. But at the time and To this day it would not be a good return on my investment. 
     

     

  • Denver, CO · Member since 2015 · 16 posts · 3 votes
    6y

    Thanks for the reply Michael!

  • Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    Is a personal guaranty required on the final financing?  

  • Investor · Fontana, CA · Member since 2017 · 95 posts · 59 votes
    6y

    Great job

  • Somerset, NJ · Member since 2016 · 33 posts · 13 votes
    6y

    Nice job @Michael Doherty !! Thanks for sharing the breakdown and how you adapted to troubleshoot.

  • Austin TX · Member since 2019 · 5 posts · 4 votes
    6y

    Good job! Thanks for sharing your experience, it was very informative. 

  • Contractor · Milford, PA · Member since 2019 · 9 posts · 3 votes
    6y

    Good job Micheal on your first BRRRR! As a New investor is is nice to see the math of a real life deal and how you handled the unforeseen variables that seem to always pop up. Being conservative on the ARV seems like really good advice.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · CT · Member since 2019 · 1 post · 1 vote
    6y

    Thanks for sharing.  Nice first deal and good luck with the flip.

  • Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2018 · 9 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    Way to go Michael!  It's a win as you took action and made it happen through the challenges and unknowns.  Thank you for sharing the details of the project and your obstacles.  I always like to hear about challenges and the lessons learned.  Thanks!

  • Rental Property Investor · Albany, NY · Member since 2018 · 6 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    Wow, incredible stuff dude. This really put things into perspective for me as I am looking for a true BRRRR property on my third deal. Congrats either way! You're a trooper 💪

  • Contractor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2016 · 6 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    Lima One capitol came out with the Fix2rent Deal, with only 1 closing on the deal? 1 time closing cost, for the BRRRR method, I am checking into it now for full disclosure to make sure there no hidden issues, that should/will save the average 10% closing cost on the refinance side of the deal into the 30 yr fixed rate. let you know how it goes

  • Realtor · Boston, MA · Member since 2019 · 30 posts · 9 votes
    6y

    What lenders and contractors did you use?

  • Member since 2019 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    Hi Michael,

    I'm not following how your cash flow would be $774? wouldn't it be $1274?  (rent $2775- $1501=$1274)

    I'm new to this so I'm having a hard time following the math.

    btw. Thanks for sharing all the details, it really helpful!

    Jeff

  • Port Ludlow, WA · Member since 2019 · 6 posts · 4 votes
    6y

    @Michael Doherty Thank You for sharing!!

  • Rental Property Investor · Long Island, NY · Member since 2019 · 30 posts · 7 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Michael Doherty:

    @Dan Colantonio you definitely want to complete the rehab as quick as possible to minimize the length of your hard money loan due to the high interest rate- too your point. With my particular lender there was no pre payment penalty so I could pay him off in a month if possible but I had up to 12 months.

    You’ll want to renovate and rent out at least 1 unit ASAP so you can start having income coming in to cover your interest only loan. So in my rehab I focused primarily on getting the first unit ready for rent before moving on to the second.
    This will buy you enough time to shop around for lenders for the refi. Although as many have pointed out In previous forums, you should have already done your homework and have a REFI lender lined up. 

    The hard money lender doesn’t care what you do With the asset as long as they continue to receive their monthly interest. Whether the money comes out of Your pocket or your tenants... it’s all the same to them. Hope that helps Clarify some things. 

    This definitely helped, thank you. I have to look deeper into the hard money lending process.

  • Rental Property Investor · Fairhope, AL · Member since 2017 · 69 posts · 52 votes
    6y

    Congrats! Also, good choice on Agreeable Grey. I use that on all of my BRRR properties too. It's the new beige.

  • Rental Property Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 92 posts · 23 votes
    6y

    @Michael Doherty Thanks for the walkthrough of your first brrr!

    I’m going to start being more conservative with my projected ARVs

  • Member since 2019 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    @Michael Doherty great story, thanks for the insight ! & Congrats on the BRRRR

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