99% of houses are not optimized for house hacking. They need a makeover.

99% of houses are not optimized for house hacking. They need a makeover.

Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 70 posts · 14 votes
The ultimate house hack maximizes the space.  In my area rents are about $500 for a 100 sq ft room.  The problem is a typical house only has 3 bedrooms and its probably 2000 sq ft.  That's pretty ridiculous....$1500 for something that would probably cost $250,000?  That mortgage is going to take forever to pay off.  So let's visualize the space is used mainly for the bedrooms.  One kitchen that all the bedrooms link to is in the center minimizing hallways.  Say the interior walls are about 6" thick.  So every room takes up 6" in wall space because they share one wall except for the end ones.  Natural light is for the bedrooms, not the kitchen.  The bathroom is beside the kitchen keeping the plumbing together.  Now thinking like this, imagine how many 100 sq ft bedrooms one can now fit in 2000 sq ft.  Also some may have a private entrance to give more flexibility indoors.  Doors waste a lot of space after all.  Maybe 10 bedrooms now?  So the rent went from $1500 to $5000.  Not bad.  

Since most people buying real estate are utterly clueless when it comes to revenue you can't assume you're going to find good space utilization in almost any layout today with their spacious livin, dining and rec rooms, often open concept which is the nail in the coffin when it comes to maximizing space.  You want smallish, well soundproofed rooms so your tenants aren't disturbed by others.  So they feel peaceful and quiet at home, like they should.  So they can talk loudly on the phone without being heard, so they aren't hampered by privacy concerns.  The only way to get this at a reasonable price (nobody sane builds from scratch these days) is to get a damaged property really cheap and use that discount to renovate it to maximize revenue for house hacking.  And this is done quite often actually.  We often don't hear about it because wrecks don't tend to get advertised much.  They are quietly sold and usually to a developer who is going to mindlessly transform it into one more single family occupancy to clutter our landscape even further with wasted space.  What I'm proposing would dramatically increase the number of units available in the area if adapted on a large scale.  It could transform rental challenges today which so many people are complaining about and rightly so.  

What I'd like to find are websites that focus on space utilization in house hacking.  I have never heard anyone discuss it with any amount of depth.  Nothing comes close to this level of revenue and it can be utilized for short term renting which can result in 50-100% more income than monthly rentals if the location cooperates.
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  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 70 posts · 14 votes
    3y
    Another area where people don't commit themselves is the basement which can be a gold mine though this usually involves a lot of work.  That's OK.  That's what laborers are for!  They just need to be managed well by you.  All you need is enough height.  Then add your egress access, as much as your local zoning will allow.  A private entrance is something people are happy to pay more for.  Its almost always worth the reno costs.  Taking this to the max would involve no stairways (because they waste space) and every room having a private entrance on each level with one kitchen and bathroom per level.
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    Real Estate Agent · Colorado Springs, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    @Account Closed agressive take. I imagine when you rent to 10 people in one single family home you are going to run into some challenges with the neighbors and the city. 

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  • Real Estate Agent · Boise, ID · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 888 votes
    3y

    @Account Closed Look outside the numbers. While REI is a lot of numbers it also includes real people who make really irrational/rational decisions. While optimizing space and packing people in house might make financial sense, it goes against societal norms. You would expect higher vacancy, repairs, and management cost. While you might find someone who would stay there, it might not be the tenant you want.

    While people hate how much things cost, I feel most people aren't ready to up end their lives and go back to dorm/ communal living. There is likely a market for it but not on as large of a scale as traditional multi family.

  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 70 posts · 14 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Chris Davidson:

    @Account Closed Look outside the numbers. While REI is a lot of numbers it also includes real people who make really irrational/rational decisions. While optimizing space and packing people in house might make financial sense, it goes against societal norms. You would expect higher vacancy, repairs, and management cost. While you might find someone who would stay there, it might not be the tenant you want.

    While people hate how much things cost, I feel most people aren't ready to up end their lives and go back to dorm/ communal living. There is likely a market for it but not on as large of a scale as traditional multi family.

    This is definitely a live in situation.  The more people get packed in the more carefully it needs to be managed and bad people extricated as fast as possible.  The owner has to be there.  It would work for a young single guy, a people person who is good at smoothing things over and calming people down.  If he was larger than average that would help in psychologically determining authority.   Every little bit helps.  Now the owner can take up as much space as they need of course.  They could also live in a large trailer or shipping container on the property if zoning allows it.  But I'd prefer to be in the house so I can hear when things escalate so I can defuse them as soon as possible.  In a large situation 2 kitchens might be utilized and this would be invaluable for people trying to avoid someone else.  They could agree to use separate kitchens for a while allowing things to calm down.  

    I've seen some very clever micro kitchen setups from China, Japan and Korea recently as they try to make do in smaller living quarters. We would be wise to emulate that if zoning allows it.  The less people mix the less chance of tensions arising.  

    Another options is to encourage the use of the outdoor space.  Wouldn't someone rather work on their computer outside in a yard than in a tiny room?  Yet I never hear of this either.  
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