Advice Request for First Time Homebuyer Looking to House Hack in Pittsboro, NC

Advice Request for First Time Homebuyer Looking to House Hack in Pittsboro, NC

Member since 2024 · 6 posts · 5 votes

Hello everyone,

I am fairly new to real estate and just graduated from college at 22 yrs old with a job in Pittsboro, NC, but have been listening to BP and Rookie for awhile now. I am currently looking at homes, some fixer uppers and some new construction. Generally, this post is asking for guidance regarding knowing what a good deal is, as well as getting some estimates for costs such as insurance, as well as other questions such as ease of finding tenants for room-sharing in a Single Family Townhome. One property I am currently looking at is a new construction townhome - 3 bed, 2 bath, and 1900 sq ft for a purchase price of $360,000 (Roughly $2600/month mortgage payment). I have checked rental comps on the BP calculator and have found that homes in this area with these stats can rent for around $1100, but this is nowhere close to the required mortgage payment (Realistically I think I could have 2 tenants paying at least $1000 per month each, though this calculator has me thinking otherwise). I This new construction community also has seemingly steep HOA fees of around $350 per month all-in. I have also used the BP rental calculator and there seems to be a negative cashflow of $2600 per year, though this may be skewed due to conservative inputs or other factors, which concerns me. Any guidance in this process would be greatly appreciated. I have around $15,000 in the bank which could afford a 3.5% down-payment, but closing costs and the first few months rent could be a stretch as my job hasn't started yet (The home would still be under construction so its possible I could achieve W2 income before actually paying a mortgage?). Fortunately, my career allows me to spend $2600 per month on rent in the event I can't find any tenants, but it would be seriously stretching my wallet without being able to save (This isn't including HOA, insurance, or any other fees- strictly mortgage payments). Should I look for something cheaper, or consider renting an apartment for a year or two? I can't find any other homes that are cheap enough and within a reasonable commute time of my job and am beginning to think I will have to rent for a few years, not the worst thing in the world but not ideal either as I realize the value of real estate investment. In general I would appreciate any advice in this endeavor, and any other help regarding financing as a first time home buyer in an owner occupied space in NC would be great as well. Would be happy to provide any additional information as needed. Thank you, and I look forward to continue learning from this community every day!

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Ryan ThomsonBusiness Member
Real Estate Agent · Colorado Springs, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
2y
Quote from @Rob Trufant:
Quote from @Ryan Thomson:

@Rob Trufant 

I wonder if your criteria may be a little unrealistic for the current market.

In Colorado Springs (and most other markets) House hacking is tough to cashflow in year one (with current house price run-ups and interest rates) for a couple reasons:

1. You are living in one of the rentable units

2. You are only putting 5% down so your loan amount is much larger and therefore your mortgage payment.

I would consider your net worth ROI. What I mean by this is considering how much your down payment returns to your net worth (appreciation, loan paydown, tax benefits, AND rent avoidance). Don't forget to include rent avoidance in your numbers! You have to live somewhere.

You may need to lower your return or cashflow expectations so you can get into a house hack that will allow you to avoid throwing rent money away every month. You know this, but don't forget all the other ways real estate makes you money. Paying down your mortgage and owning an asset that will appreciate over the long term.

If you are paying close to what you pay in rent to cover PITI and expenses then owning a house is a much better financial decision than renting.

Thank you for this reply! I will be sure to re-run my numbers based on this information. Just did another report and found it to come out around $3600/month for a $400k home after HOA, utilities, CapEx, and more costs. After finding more accurate comps a rough figure of $2200 arose for whole house rental in the area. Ultimately I would like to put what I would pay in rent into equity, as well as have the freedom to move and house hack another property after 2-5 years. This negative cashflow, which I realize is fine for house hacking, could hurt my freedom to move long term as I would be forced to cover the difference from rent collection, however the question arises: Is it worth subsidizing $1400 in mortgage payments so that tenants can pay me $2200 once I move out? You also mentioned write offs, I am not sure how this factors in specifically and wonder if you could speak to that, as well as how much I will pay in taxes for rent collection. Thank you for your reply that gives me a lot of food for thought!

 @Rob Trufant I just DM'd you a great blog on my website. It talks all about why house hacking is a great investment even without cashflow and why you shouldn't give up one great investment because you can't immediately scale to the next one. 

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  • Member since 2024 · 6 posts · 5 votes
    2y

    Additionally, I am wondering about organization structure of house hacking. I have seen some posts regarding this but none seem to fully cover the topic. Is it best to form an LLC entity that owns the property or manages it so that the tenants, including myself, pay the LLC? If so, is it best to form one LLC per property, or have an umbrella LLC with multiple properties? How much should I budget for taxes on rental income (For example if mortgage and fees are an even $3000 per month, what should I actually charge to breakeven after taxes, much less cashflow)? Any information regarding this would be helpful as well. As previously mentioned, I have never gone through this process yet and am a first time homebuyer, but have spent about 10 hours of researching per week for the past 6 months including listening to the podcasts. I may not even be asking the right questions, but I hope I am on the right path. Regardless, I am committed to doing this and am willing to put in whatever effort is required.

  • Perry FarellaPro Member
    Lender · Chicago · Member since 2024 · 15 posts · 10 votes
    2y
    Rob,

    Welcome to investing and at your age you will have much time to do well. I wouldn't be surprised if you have a whole century ahead of you to live and be prosperous. Real Estate will always be your friend over the long term so starting early is a great idea. 

    The above new town home seems like it may be a stretch for you . You don't say where you live now but if you have the flexibility why not consider buying a scary, run down house or 2 to 4 unit, renovating it and then living in one unit and leasing the others ?  You can do that with as little as 3.50% down on an fha renovation loan where all the reno dollars are given in the same 30 year fixed rate loan. The ARV should be higher than what you have in it and that will be discovered by an Appraiser during the process. What do you think bout that idea ? I have friends who have done that as first time buyers and all have been successful.
  • Member since 2024 · 6 posts · 5 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Perry Farella:
    Rob,

    Welcome to investing and at your age you will have much time to do well. I wouldn't be surprised if you have a whole century ahead of you to live and be prosperous. Real Estate will always be your friend over the long term so starting early is a great idea. 

    The above new town home seems like it may be a stretch for you . You don't say where you live now but if you have the flexibility why not consider buying a scary, run down house or 2 to 4 unit, renovating it and then living in one unit and leasing the others ?  You can do that with as little as 3.50% down on an fha renovation loan where all the reno dollars are given in the same 30 year fixed rate loan. The ARV should be higher than what you have in it and that will be discovered by an Appraiser during the process. What do you think bout that idea ? I have friends who have done that as first time buyers and all have been successful.
    Hey Perry, thank you so much for the response. I have definitely considered renovation with a 203k and doing a BRRRR but haven’t been able to find any properties suitable for this on the MLS within my price range for a down payment. Additionally, I am pretty set on house hacking and this area due to a new job that requires in person work, where a sub 30 min commute would be ideal. Overall I definetly have this in the back of my mind, but agree with you that this could be a stretch and may be more advantageous to build reserves and save more $ for a down payment. 

    Thanks again for your time and response!
  • Realtor · Raleigh-Durham-Chappel Hill-Triangle NC · Member since 2024 · 4 posts · 5 votes
    2y

    Welcome to BP Rob! Before diving into LLCs, HOAs, Insurance, and Home Prices.

    I'm not sure if you have been pre-approved but I would highly recommend that you speak with a local lender, I happen to know a few in the area. Getting pre-approved would allow you to get an idea on how much house you can afford and at what interest rate. Feel free to DM me if you have any questions. I'm a Realtor in the area and as Perry mentioned, Real Estate will always be your friend and you are starting at a really good age! 

  • Member since 2024 · 6 posts · 5 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Brandon Ferreira:

    Welcome to BP Rob! Before diving into LLCs, HOAs, Insurance, and Home Prices.

    I'm not sure if you have been pre-approved but I would highly recommend that you speak with a local lender, I happen to know a few in the area. Getting pre-approved would allow you to get an idea on how much house you can afford and at what interest rate. Feel free to DM me if you have any questions. I'm a Realtor in the area and as Perry mentioned, Real Estate will always be your friend and you are starting at a really good age! 

    Hello Brandon,

    I greatly appreciate you taking the time to respond! I am not pre-approved yet as I still don’t want to get a hard credit pull when I am between renting and buying, but I have contacted a local broker to get a soft pull and a rough idea of what I can afford as far as rates, MIP, and down payment. I don’t want to waste your time as an agent but will be sure to reach out as I continue this process. Thanks again Brandon!
  • Realtor · Raleigh-Durham-Chappel Hill-Triangle NC · Member since 2024 · 4 posts · 5 votes
    2y

    No worries Rob! You aren't wasting my time trust me. I think it is very smart what you are planning and I believe more people should be thinking like you. There are a ton of great opportunities around Pittsboro. I wish you best of luck and I'm here if you need any help!

  • Ryan ThomsonBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Colorado Springs, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2y

    @Rob Trufant 

    I wonder if your criteria may be a little unrealistic for the current market.

    In Colorado Springs (and most other markets) House hacking is tough to cashflow in year one (with current house price run-ups and interest rates) for a couple reasons:

    1. You are living in one of the rentable units

    2. You are only putting 5% down so your loan amount is much larger and therefore your mortgage payment.

    I would consider your net worth ROI. What I mean by this is considering how much your down payment returns to your net worth (appreciation, loan paydown, tax benefits, AND rent avoidance). Don't forget to include rent avoidance in your numbers! You have to live somewhere.

    You may need to lower your return or cashflow expectations so you can get into a house hack that will allow you to avoid throwing rent money away every month. You know this, but don't forget all the other ways real estate makes you money. Paying down your mortgage and owning an asset that will appreciate over the long term.

    If you are paying close to what you pay in rent to cover PITI and expenses then owning a house is a much better financial decision than renting.

    The Assumable Guy544 Reviews
  • Member since 2024 · 6 posts · 5 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Ryan Thomson:

    @Rob Trufant 

    I wonder if your criteria may be a little unrealistic for the current market.

    In Colorado Springs (and most other markets) House hacking is tough to cashflow in year one (with current house price run-ups and interest rates) for a couple reasons:

    1. You are living in one of the rentable units

    2. You are only putting 5% down so your loan amount is much larger and therefore your mortgage payment.

    I would consider your net worth ROI. What I mean by this is considering how much your down payment returns to your net worth (appreciation, loan paydown, tax benefits, AND rent avoidance). Don't forget to include rent avoidance in your numbers! You have to live somewhere.

    You may need to lower your return or cashflow expectations so you can get into a house hack that will allow you to avoid throwing rent money away every month. You know this, but don't forget all the other ways real estate makes you money. Paying down your mortgage and owning an asset that will appreciate over the long term.

    If you are paying close to what you pay in rent to cover PITI and expenses then owning a house is a much better financial decision than renting.

    Thank you for this reply! I will be sure to re-run my numbers based on this information. Just did another report and found it to come out around $3600/month for a $400k home after HOA, utilities, CapEx, and more costs. After finding more accurate comps a rough figure of $2200 arose for whole house rental in the area. Ultimately I would like to put what I would pay in rent into equity, as well as have the freedom to move and house hack another property after 2-5 years. This negative cashflow, which I realize is fine for house hacking, could hurt my freedom to move long term as I would be forced to cover the difference from rent collection, however the question arises: Is it worth subsidizing $1400 in mortgage payments so that tenants can pay me $2200 once I move out? You also mentioned write offs, I am not sure how this factors in specifically and wonder if you could speak to that, as well as how much I will pay in taxes for rent collection. Thank you for your reply that gives me a lot of food for thought!

  • Ryan ThomsonBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Colorado Springs, CO · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    2y
    Quote from @Rob Trufant:
    Quote from @Ryan Thomson:

    @Rob Trufant 

    I wonder if your criteria may be a little unrealistic for the current market.

    In Colorado Springs (and most other markets) House hacking is tough to cashflow in year one (with current house price run-ups and interest rates) for a couple reasons:

    1. You are living in one of the rentable units

    2. You are only putting 5% down so your loan amount is much larger and therefore your mortgage payment.

    I would consider your net worth ROI. What I mean by this is considering how much your down payment returns to your net worth (appreciation, loan paydown, tax benefits, AND rent avoidance). Don't forget to include rent avoidance in your numbers! You have to live somewhere.

    You may need to lower your return or cashflow expectations so you can get into a house hack that will allow you to avoid throwing rent money away every month. You know this, but don't forget all the other ways real estate makes you money. Paying down your mortgage and owning an asset that will appreciate over the long term.

    If you are paying close to what you pay in rent to cover PITI and expenses then owning a house is a much better financial decision than renting.

    Thank you for this reply! I will be sure to re-run my numbers based on this information. Just did another report and found it to come out around $3600/month for a $400k home after HOA, utilities, CapEx, and more costs. After finding more accurate comps a rough figure of $2200 arose for whole house rental in the area. Ultimately I would like to put what I would pay in rent into equity, as well as have the freedom to move and house hack another property after 2-5 years. This negative cashflow, which I realize is fine for house hacking, could hurt my freedom to move long term as I would be forced to cover the difference from rent collection, however the question arises: Is it worth subsidizing $1400 in mortgage payments so that tenants can pay me $2200 once I move out? You also mentioned write offs, I am not sure how this factors in specifically and wonder if you could speak to that, as well as how much I will pay in taxes for rent collection. Thank you for your reply that gives me a lot of food for thought!

     @Rob Trufant I just DM'd you a great blog on my website. It talks all about why house hacking is a great investment even without cashflow and why you shouldn't give up one great investment because you can't immediately scale to the next one. 

    The Assumable Guy544 Reviews
  • Member since 2024 · 6 posts · 5 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Ryan Thomson:
    Quote from @Rob Trufant:
    Quote from @Ryan Thomson:

    @Rob Trufant 

    I wonder if your criteria may be a little unrealistic for the current market.

    In Colorado Springs (and most other markets) House hacking is tough to cashflow in year one (with current house price run-ups and interest rates) for a couple reasons:

    1. You are living in one of the rentable units

    2. You are only putting 5% down so your loan amount is much larger and therefore your mortgage payment.

    I would consider your net worth ROI. What I mean by this is considering how much your down payment returns to your net worth (appreciation, loan paydown, tax benefits, AND rent avoidance). Don't forget to include rent avoidance in your numbers! You have to live somewhere.

    You may need to lower your return or cashflow expectations so you can get into a house hack that will allow you to avoid throwing rent money away every month. You know this, but don't forget all the other ways real estate makes you money. Paying down your mortgage and owning an asset that will appreciate over the long term.

    If you are paying close to what you pay in rent to cover PITI and expenses then owning a house is a much better financial decision than renting.

    Thank you for this reply! I will be sure to re-run my numbers based on this information. Just did another report and found it to come out around $3600/month for a $400k home after HOA, utilities, CapEx, and more costs. After finding more accurate comps a rough figure of $2200 arose for whole house rental in the area. Ultimately I would like to put what I would pay in rent into equity, as well as have the freedom to move and house hack another property after 2-5 years. This negative cashflow, which I realize is fine for house hacking, could hurt my freedom to move long term as I would be forced to cover the difference from rent collection, however the question arises: Is it worth subsidizing $1400 in mortgage payments so that tenants can pay me $2200 once I move out? You also mentioned write offs, I am not sure how this factors in specifically and wonder if you could speak to that, as well as how much I will pay in taxes for rent collection. Thank you for your reply that gives me a lot of food for thought!

     @Rob Trufant I just DM'd you a great blog on my website. It talks all about why house hacking is a great investment even without cashflow and why you shouldn't give up one great investment because you can't immediately scale to the next one. 


     Thank you Ryan, I will be sure to check it out! Thank you for your help.

  • Member since 2023 · 12 posts · 10 votes
    2y

    I am a new house hacker.  I got my duplex when I was 24 back in 2021. I’m still learning a lot about managing and maintaining my duplex. I once thought I would move out after a year or two into my next one (it’s hard for a beginner). I still plan on house hacking at least one more time but one thing to keep in mind is sometimes life happens and tenants can’t pay on time.  I feel like you don’t hear about this a lot on this blog.  When I first bought my duplex both units were already filled. I ended up having to evict one. Long story short she didn’t have money and I ended up losing a lot potential rental income and having to renovate the entire unit from damages.

     Screening for tenants is everything. If you have a bad tenant your life wont be fun especially if you don’t have lot of reserves or a very high income.  It will feel like a mistake very fast.

     Always take your time screening for a tenant.  I would rather have my unit empty for a month then rush someone in and have a bad tenant for 12 months.  I’ve had great people live in my duplex since and house hacking now feels like the best decision I made.

     Also I waited until I had enough to put 20% down I think this is the way to do it.  You want to have skin in the game. Maybe there’s a way to wait until interest rates go down while investing your 15k in something else. Your 15k will grow and one day your payments could be much lower. Just an idea

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