Trying to decide on MTR/STR/LTR

Trying to decide on MTR/STR/LTR

Oswego, NY · Member since 2015 · 29 posts · 7 votes

I have just closed on my first property and originally when we put the offer in we thought we would do a medium term rental, with airbnb filling in the gaps if possible.  The house is near a hospital, Lake Ontario, there's also 3 factories nearby and a state college.  It's a small city, though, so none of these are huge on their own. But we figured we could make it work both in the tourist season and by working directly with the large employers in town.

We then had a friend ask to rent it out, as they were living with mom and had just gotten divorced.  Fine, we thought, young professional, we know they make a good living and their background was known.  Fast forward 3 months later and the prospective tenant is no longer happening; once they realized I wasn't going to rent at a loss, they suddenly couldn't afford it.  The market has changed since 2018 but they don't seem to get that.  I'm pretty annoyed and now not sure what to do.  I went on furnished finder and there's almost no listings for available property in my city.  Is that a red flag or a sign that the demand is high?  In April there were a lot more listings.  It's a lakefront town that gets lots of tourists in the summer to mid fall.  

So, I don't even really know the questions to ask, to figure out what to do.  I'd like to provide a needed service in the town and don't want to dive into the college rental market if I can avoid it.  Any hints on what research I can do to figure out what is the best strategy?  I am struggling to find hard data on my town; real estate seems a bit old school here.  

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Member since 2023 · 122 posts · 68 votes
3y

If the house is nice and people see you working on it prospective tenants should be doing ride-bys. Asking to speak to the owner and asking you rent questions. This happens to me even in small towns. If you didn't do any fix-up or it's complete and no one saw you working, stick a FOR RENT sign in the yard to gauge interest. This lets you know if you can LTR. You can keep these names but pull your sign and try for MTR. If MTR/STR doesn't make enough income revert back to LTR. This is my strategy for one I'm doing in a small town. I recommend you push your first plan hard before you throw in the towel. Near a hospital, plus marketing plus nice furnishings and home equals good customers.

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  • Robin SimonBusiness Member
    Lender · Austin, TX · Member since 2022 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y

    Considering its your first property, theres no shame in asking for help with some local experts.  I would look for real estate agents in the city that have experience leasing SFRs and see what they have to say

  • Member since 2023 · 122 posts · 68 votes
    3y

    If the house is nice and people see you working on it prospective tenants should be doing ride-bys. Asking to speak to the owner and asking you rent questions. This happens to me even in small towns. If you didn't do any fix-up or it's complete and no one saw you working, stick a FOR RENT sign in the yard to gauge interest. This lets you know if you can LTR. You can keep these names but pull your sign and try for MTR. If MTR/STR doesn't make enough income revert back to LTR. This is my strategy for one I'm doing in a small town. I recommend you push your first plan hard before you throw in the towel. Near a hospital, plus marketing plus nice furnishings and home equals good customers.

  • Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2014 · 363 posts · 408 votes
    3y

    I think your best bet is going to be a combination of MTR and STR.

    We operate all of our properties that way. We use STR reservations to cover the gap between two MTR reservations.

    It's the balance we like between steady income while still collecting a premium.

  • Rental Property Investor · Fargo, ND · Member since 2017 · 129 posts · 107 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Tim Griffiths:

    I have just closed on my first property and originally when we put the offer in we thought we would do a medium term rental, with airbnb filling in the gaps if possible.  The house is near a hospital, Lake Ontario, there's also 3 factories nearby and a state college.  It's a small city, though, so none of these are huge on their own. But we figured we could make it work both in the tourist season and by working directly with the large employers in town.

    We then had a friend ask to rent it out, as they were living with mom and had just gotten divorced.  Fine, we thought, young professional, we know they make a good living and their background was known.  Fast forward 3 months later and the prospective tenant is no longer happening; once they realized I wasn't going to rent at a loss, they suddenly couldn't afford it.  The market has changed since 2018 but they don't seem to get that.  I'm pretty annoyed and now not sure what to do.  I went on furnished finder and there's almost no listings for available property in my city.  Is that a red flag or a sign that the demand is high?  In April there were a lot more listings.  It's a lakefront town that gets lots of tourists in the summer to mid fall.  

    So, I don't even really know the questions to ask, to figure out what to do.  I'd like to provide a needed service in the town and don't want to dive into the college rental market if I can avoid it.  Any hints on what research I can do to figure out what is the best strategy?  I am struggling to find hard data on my town; real estate seems a bit old school here.  


    The only real way to see the true demand for your specific unit in your specific area will be to put it on AirBnb and see what kind of bites it will get. You can also set minimum stay requirements on the platform as well if you do not want to allow 3 day stays for example. 

    I agree with the other comment that a mixture of STR and MTR will be your best bet, and you can obtain both of those things naturally using AirBnb. I will say that operating an STR is no small task, and is the farthest thing from a passive investment, unless you have a rockstart team already established to take care of all of the steps. 

    I would take a real close look at other listings on AirBnb in your area to see how many dates are booked, vs dates available. If you are willing to pay for some research, AirDNA is also a great tool you could use to do research and obtain some data you are looking for! 
  • Oswego, NY · Member since 2015 · 29 posts · 7 votes
    3y

    Thanks everyone some great advice. I went on Airdna and another site and it seems like the demand is pretty stable, not huge but not too bad. I’ve begun reaching out to larger employers in the area to see the demand for it would be by them. We also have a pretty good tourist season from April to October so I’m thinking I can find some folks that way too. 

  • Rochester, NY · Member since 2017 · 7 posts · 5 votes
    3y

    You might also get requests from relocating faculty. I am finding people have all kinds of reasons for needing a MTR. And that it tends to be year round, not seasonal.

  • Bonnie LowPro Member
    Lender · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    If you're looking on Furnished Finder and not seeing any properties available currently but there have been before and you can see openings in the future that's a good indication that there's demand in your area. Those listings are just currently booked. It sounds like you have a lot of reasons for people to visit your area. It also sounds like you originally intended to use it as a LTR so your underwriting likely supports that and anything you make above and beyond LTR rents is gravy. That being the case, if you have the money to furnish it WELL, it's worth it to give MTR/STR a shot. But if you can't outfit it well, you'll struggle on these fronts and might as well use it as an LTR. Just because one person doesn't want to pay you market rate doesn't mean others will. Sounds like the person you were dealing with just expected a friends and family deal but others won't have that expectation. Don't let it discourage you.

  • Oswego, NY · Member since 2015 · 29 posts · 7 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bonnie Low:

    If you're looking on Furnished Finder and not seeing any properties available currently but there have been before and you can see openings in the future that's a good indication that there's demand in your area. Those listings are just currently booked. It sounds like you have a lot of reasons for people to visit your area. It also sounds like you originally intended to use it as a LTR so your underwriting likely supports that and anything you make above and beyond LTR rents is gravy. That being the case, if you have the money to furnish it WELL, it's worth it to give MTR/STR a shot. But if you can't outfit it well, you'll struggle on these fronts and might as well use it as an LTR. Just because one person doesn't want to pay you market rate doesn't mean others will. Sounds like the person you were dealing with just expected a friends and family deal but others won't have that expectation. Don't let it discourage you.


    Good points. Yea, we originally wanted to do STR/MTR but when our friend needed a place we thought it would be an easy way to get started. But, I always wanted to do the furnished route, so I'm kind of glad our hand is forced. There's tourism and the college and power plants, plus the hospital so I think there's enough to keep it full. Now, it's time to search the forums to find out the best place to get quality pieces to put in the house!

  • Real Estate Consultant · Reston, VA · Member since 2022 · 513 posts · 521 votes
    3y

    Look on furnishedfinder.com/stats to figure out the supply and demand figures from the site. But keep in mind there’s plenty of other sites to list a MTR on including Airbnb, Zillow, etc. You could even create a listing on Furnished Finder with pictures of the property unfurnished and note that the furniture is coming soon so that you can start seeing any requests coming in. 

  • New to Real Estate · Buford, GA · Member since 2022 · 36 posts · 19 votes
    3y

    Is 20000 search in last 12 months in furnishfinder/stats is a good number? or how much searches declares it as a good demand market?

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