is Renatus the Real Deal or a Scam?
Flipper/Rehabber · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 34 posts · 8 votes
A quick web search turned up the information that it is a pyramid scam run by a guy who has already been shut down by the cops for running similar scams.
Take the $20,000 and buy a house. You will learn more in 6 months than those bozos could teach you in 10 years.
Total SCAM! This is a pyramid scheme. All the info they sell on their "educational" programs you can get FOR FREE. They are selling it to you so they can make a commission off of $20k. Total waste of your money and time.
Look man.
People think that it is education you need to get successful. This is wrong.
There is only one thing you need. And this is not a matter of opinion and this is not up for debate.
You need leads.It is lead generation what you want and need.
So nah, forget them and focus on lead generation.
It is motivated seller leads that is the life force of investing
Tim Yang - So, let me get this straight... you think that no company should ever have to spend even a dime on advertising. Really? So you get more deals than you can do without spending a dime on any business cards, letters, or anything else? You have people just flocking to your door to sell you their properties without you ever having to advertise?
And any company that actually spends money on advertising is automatically scamming people? Do you even understand how capitalism works?
"other half goes straight to the person selling you the course." -- And here you are saying that sales people should work for free? That no one should ever be compensated for putting out the effort of building a community of people who all work together? Isn't that a little naive? Do YOU get paid to work? If so, why do you think other people shouldn't be allowed to get paid to work?
Total SCAM! This is a pyramid scheme. All the info they sell on their "educational" programs you can get FOR FREE. They are selling it to you so they can make a commission off of $20k. Total waste of your money and time.
You haven't read a thing that anyone else has written, have you? Somehow, your ignorance of how anything works is proof that it doesn't work? Sometimes, the arrogance of people is just astonishing.
Total SCAM! This is a pyramid scheme. All the info they sell on their "educational" programs you can get FOR FREE. They are selling it to you so they can make a commission off of $20k. Total waste of your money and time.
What? Do you mean sales people expect to get paid for all their work? How horrifying!!! Or are you saying NO ONE should be able to make money off of their efforts? Do YOU work for free? Of course you do. If you didn't, that would be hypocritical!
Tim Yang - So, let me get this straight... you think that no company should ever have to spend even a dime on advertising. Really? So you get more deals than you can do without spending a dime on any business cards, letters, or anything else? You have people just flocking to your door to sell you their properties without you ever having to advertise?
And any company that actually spends money on advertising is automatically scamming people? Do you even understand how capitalism works?
"other half goes straight to the person selling you the course." -- And here you are saying that sales people should work for free? That no one should ever be compensated for putting out the effort of building a community of people who all work together? Isn't that a little naive? Do YOU get paid to work? If so, why do you think other people shouldn't be allowed to get paid to work?
Do you think $20,000 for a Renatus education is expensive? Look at it from the average consumers perspective.
Do you think $20,000 for a Renatus education is expensive? Look at it from the average consumers perspective.
No, I don't. Before I joined Renatus, I did 2 RE deals. Between them, it cost me about $70k. COST me about $70k. Had I been part of the Renatus community, they would have cost me between 1/4 and 1/2 that. Probably even less because I wouldn't have even gotten into 1 of them.
Renatus isn't just education. It doesn't just teach how to structure your businesses for maximum protection. It doesn't just teach how to minimize your tax liability. It doesn't just teach multiple paths of income. It doesn't just teach how to pay off your house in 1/3 the time and save tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in interest. It doesn't just teach what to look for and what to avoid in your real estate deals. It provide community. You become part of a team that looks out for each other, that helps analyze not only deals, but situations. Buying the education gives you a mentor for the rest of your life. It gives you continuing education. It gives you motivation.
You people seem to think that when you buy into Renatus, you are just buying a bunch of CDs like all the other fly-by-night REI gurus. But Renatus is exactly the opposite of that.
People think that money buys you happiness. They are wrong. As my bother says, it doesn't buy you happiness, it buys you OPTIONS. It buys you OPPORUNITIES. Renatus is the same thing. With the Essentials (which are only $2500), it teaches how to save $100,000 in interest on a $200,000 house with no extra money put into your budget and without changing your lifestyle. Do you REALLY think that saving $100,000 isn't worth $2,500?
Renatus pays for itself, EASILY, within the first couple of RE deals. So, no, I don't think it's expensive, even at $25,000.
Do you think $20,000 for a Renatus education is expensive? Look at it from the average consumers perspective.
Well a rep told me to take a line of credit to pay for the $20,000 education. I said no way because I couldn't tell if I could keep him accountable. I'm looking for a mentor, not someone who just sells me an education and go through live classes. I want someone to invest their time in me. I felt like these reps were just looking for a commission. This is MLM to me. I'm not the recruiting type. I strictly want to learn REI and hopefully the knowledge and mentoring I gain will help me be on my own one day. $20,000 is a lot to me. I would rather much take education and then pay it back on my first couple deals. That way it keeps the mentor accountable. Paying upfront makes me nervous. I need to know I'm not being played. $20,000 is a big investment.
No, I don't. Before I joined Renatus, I did 2 RE deals. Between them, it cost me about $70k. COST me about $70k. Had I been part of the Renatus community, they would have cost me between 1/4 and 1/2 that. Probably even less because I wouldn't have even gotten into 1 of them.
Renatus isn't just education. It doesn't just teach how to structure your businesses for maximum protection. It doesn't just teach how to minimize your tax liability. It doesn't just teach multiple paths of income. It doesn't just teach how to pay off your house in 1/3 the time and save tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in interest. It doesn't just teach what to look for and what to avoid in your real estate deals. It provide community. You become part of a team that looks out for each other, that helps analyze not only deals, but situations. Buying the education gives you a mentor for the rest of your life. It gives you continuing education. It gives you motivation.
You people seem to think that when you buy into Renatus, you are just buying a bunch of CDs like all the other fly-by-night REI gurus. But Renatus is exactly the opposite of that.
People think that money buys you happiness. They are wrong. As my bother says, it doesn't buy you happiness, it buys you OPTIONS. It buys you OPPORUNITIES. Renatus is the same thing. With the Essentials (which are only $2500), it teaches how to save $100,000 in interest on a $200,000 house with no extra money put into your budget and without changing your lifestyle. Do you REALLY think that saving $100,000 isn't worth $2,500?
Renatus pays for itself, EASILY, within the first couple of RE deals. So, no, I don't think it's expensive, even at $25,000.
Do you think $20,000 for a Renatus education is expensive? Look at it from the average consumers perspective.
No, I don't. Before I joined Renatus, I did 2 RE deals. Between them, it cost me about $70k. COST me about $70k. Had I been part of the Renatus community, they would have cost me between 1/4 and 1/2 that. Probably even less because I wouldn't have even gotten into 1 of them.
Renatus isn't just education. It doesn't just teach how to structure your businesses for maximum protection. It doesn't just teach how to minimize your tax liability. It doesn't just teach multiple paths of income. It doesn't just teach how to pay off your house in 1/3 the time and save tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in interest. It doesn't just teach what to look for and what to avoid in your real estate deals. It provide community. You become part of a team that looks out for each other, that helps analyze not only deals, but situations. Buying the education gives you a mentor for the rest of your life. It gives you continuing education. It gives you motivation.
You people seem to think that when you buy into Renatus, you are just buying a bunch of CDs like all the other fly-by-night REI gurus. But Renatus is exactly the opposite of that.
People think that money buys you happiness. They are wrong. As my bother says, it doesn't buy you happiness, it buys you OPTIONS. It buys you OPPORUNITIES. Renatus is the same thing. With the Essentials (which are only $2500), it teaches how to save $100,000 in interest on a $200,000 house with no extra money put into your budget and without changing your lifestyle. Do you REALLY think that saving $100,000 isn't worth $2,500?
Renatus pays for itself, EASILY, within the first couple of RE deals. So, no, I don't think it's expensive, even at $25,000.
Well a rep told me to take a line of credit to pay for the $20,000 education. I said no way because I couldn't tell if I could keep him accountable. I'm looking for a mentor, not someone who just sells me an education and go through live classes. I want someone to invest their time in me. I felt like these reps were just looking for a commission. This is MLM to me. I'm not the recruiting type. I strictly want to learn REI and hopefully the knowledge and mentoring I gain will help me be on my own one day. $20,000 is a lot to me. I would rather much take education and then pay it back on my first couple deals. That way it keeps the mentor accountable. Paying upfront makes me nervous. I need to know I'm not being played. $20,000 is a big investment.
You don't have to pay all upfront. They have a payment program. Your mentor only gets the commission as long as you continue to pay and you only get access to the training as long as you pay. Additionally, you should get the name of your mentor's 5-star and, if your mentor isn't doing his job, go up the line to that person.
I just went to a "retreat" (it was a camping trip up at Cochise Stronghold) where the leader in my area had a sit-down with me about my 5-star. He's been MIA for a few months. To be honest, I really don't need much "managing", I'm busy rebuilding the house I'm in and I've bought 3 properties since I joined Renatus a year ago, but my leader was concerned that my 5-star wasn't giving me enough attention. He even explained how I could move to someone else if I felt the need.
In my experience, the support is amazing. Everyone that I've met is more than happy to help me in any way they can.
What town are you in? I'm currently in Tucson, but moving up to Portland, OR in a year and intend on opening an office up there. I know there are some Renatus folks there, but not a really strong presence and I intend on changing that.
I spent years digging through YouTube and buying books. I've learned 10x more about REI in the little over a year that I've been with Renatus than I did in the 10 years before that. My investment strategy (what we call our "Investor ID") has changed significantly since I started with the company. The clarity I've acquired is amazing and has instilled a ton of confidence in my REI dealings.
Hell, the leader of the Tucson group, last year, asked to borrow some money for a RE deal he was doing. I contributed $20k. 8 months later, he gave me $27k back. That's about a 35% return on my money and I didn't have to lift a finger. Just that one deal gave me 1/3 of my Renatus investment back.
If you are in an area with even a mildly strong group, you don't just get your one mentor. EVERYONE in the group will help you out. We get FREE study groups several times a week that we can attend via Zoom from all over the country. We have both generalized meetings where people will overview different strategies and other meetings where people dig deep into specific strategies. And it's not just "sit and listen", you get to ask as many questions as you want. During the retreat, people were actually kind of giving me crap for NOT attending enough meetings.
By the way, the cost just went up last year. It's now $2500 for Essentials and $25,000 for the AIT. If you want to experience it, just pay the $2500 and get the Essentials. Experience the training, experience the group you are involved with and see how it goes.
BTW, being an ICM is TOTALLY optional. It's just another way to make money. You don't want to sell the education, don't do it. It's just another way to make money. And it's not for everyone, and that is perfectly fine. Like I said, just what you will learn about how to structure your money will easily pay for everything and then some.
You don't have to pay all upfront. They have a payment program. Your mentor only gets the commission as long as you continue to pay and you only get access to the training as long as you pay. Additionally, you should get the name of your mentor's 5-star and, if your mentor isn't doing his job, go up the line to that person.
I just went to a "retreat" (it was a camping trip up at Cochise Stronghold) where the leader in my area had a sit-down with me about my 5-star. He's been MIA for a few months. To be honest, I really don't need much "managing", I'm busy rebuilding the house I'm in and I've bought 3 properties since I joined Renatus a year ago, but my leader was concerned that my 5-star wasn't giving me enough attention. He even explained how I could move to someone else if I felt the need.
In my experience, the support is amazing. Everyone that I've met is more than happy to help me in any way they can.
What town are you in? I'm currently in Tucson, but moving up to Portland, OR in a year and intend on opening an office up there. I know there are some Renatus folks there, but not a really strong presence and I intend on changing that.
I spent years digging through YouTube and buying books. I've learned 10x more about REI in the little over a year that I've been with Renatus than I did in the 10 years before that. My investment strategy (what we call our "Investor ID") has changed significantly since I started with the company. The clarity I've acquired is amazing and has instilled a ton of confidence in my REI dealings.
Hell, the leader of the Tucson group, last year, asked to borrow some money for a RE deal he was doing. I contributed $20k. 8 months later, he gave me $27k back. That's about a 35% return on my money and I didn't have to lift a finger. Just that one deal gave me 1/3 of my Renatus investment back.
If you are in an area with even a mildly strong group, you don't just get your one mentor. EVERYONE in the group will help you out. We get FREE study groups several times a week that we can attend via Zoom from all over the country. We have both generalized meetings where people will overview different strategies and other meetings where people dig deep into specific strategies. And it's not just "sit and listen", you get to ask as many questions as you want. During the retreat, people were actually kind of giving me crap for NOT attending enough meetings.
By the way, the cost just went up last year. It's now $2500 for Essentials and $25,000 for the AIT. If you want to experience it, just pay the $2500 and get the Essentials. Experience the training, experience the group you are involved with and see how it goes.
BTW, being an ICM is TOTALLY optional. It's just another way to make money. You don't want to sell the education, don't do it. It's just another way to make money. And it's not for everyone, and that is perfectly fine. Like I said, just what you will learn about how to structure your money will easily pay for everything and then some.
I'm in Chicagoland area. I have student loans. Another reason why I'm hesitant going all in.
Do you think $20,000 for a Renatus education is expensive? Look at it from the average consumers perspective.
Well a rep told me to take a line of credit to pay for the $20,000 education. I said no way because I couldn't tell if I could keep him accountable. I'm looking for a mentor, not someone who just sells me an education and go through live classes. I want someone to invest their time in me. I felt like these reps were just looking for a commission. This is MLM to me. I'm not the recruiting type. I strictly want to learn REI and hopefully the knowledge and mentoring I gain will help me be on my own one day. $20,000 is a lot to me. I would rather much take education and then pay it back on my first couple deals. That way it keeps the mentor accountable. Paying upfront makes me nervous. I need to know I'm not being played. $20,000 is a big investment.
No, I don't. Before I joined Renatus, I did 2 RE deals. Between them, it cost me about $70k. COST me about $70k. Had I been part of the Renatus community, they would have cost me between 1/4 and 1/2 that. Probably even less because I wouldn't have even gotten into 1 of them.
Renatus isn't just education. It doesn't just teach how to structure your businesses for maximum protection. It doesn't just teach how to minimize your tax liability. It doesn't just teach multiple paths of income. It doesn't just teach how to pay off your house in 1/3 the time and save tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in interest. It doesn't just teach what to look for and what to avoid in your real estate deals. It provide community. You become part of a team that looks out for each other, that helps analyze not only deals, but situations. Buying the education gives you a mentor for the rest of your life. It gives you continuing education. It gives you motivation.
You people seem to think that when you buy into Renatus, you are just buying a bunch of CDs like all the other fly-by-night REI gurus. But Renatus is exactly the opposite of that.
People think that money buys you happiness. They are wrong. As my bother says, it doesn't buy you happiness, it buys you OPTIONS. It buys you OPPORUNITIES. Renatus is the same thing. With the Essentials (which are only $2500), it teaches how to save $100,000 in interest on a $200,000 house with no extra money put into your budget and without changing your lifestyle. Do you REALLY think that saving $100,000 isn't worth $2,500?
Renatus pays for itself, EASILY, within the first couple of RE deals. So, no, I don't think it's expensive, even at $25,000.
One other thing. Sure, you can attend "live trainings". (I put that in quotes because with the Bubos, they haven't let people attend the live sessions, but I think they are starting to open that up again), but EVERY training is recorded, so you get to watch them as many times as you want to. Then, as I said, there are study groups for every strategy. And the recordings are updated on a regular basis. Mark Kohler updates his Tax and Legal class every year to make sure we have the latest tax info.
So, here's a question for you: how do you expect to get a mentor that would walk through a dozen different investment strategies with you (that you can trust knows what they are talking about with EVERY strategy)? Do you think you'll find someone who will teach you for free? It has happened and if you find someone who will commit to you and hope you will eventually pay them back, that would be great. But do you have any prospects in that area? Have you been talking to any full-time investors who are looking for an "apprentice"? How long are you going to wait to see if you can come across someone like that, that you know you can trust and you know knows everything there is to know about every investment strategy there is?
If you buy the education, the people who recruit you will be at the meetings that you attend. They will have to see you every time. Their reputation is on the line with your local group. The group leader has a vested interest in keeping everyone in the group happy and active. If you make money following Renatus training, you are likely to tell others about it, even if you don't want to "sell". Renatus doesn't advertise. The ONLY way they sell their education is through the people who use their education. If they don't have a reputation for providing excellent service, their business dies. Bob Snyder actually DESIGNED the company that way.
You have student loans, I have a truck loan and 2 house loans. Everyone has debt. Renatus teaches you how to get out of debt. Your student loans are no different. Go to the Scott Rowe meeting. (By the way, Scott is the top of the group I'm in. I've met him personally. He's been to my local office to talk to us and I met him personally at our Nationals meeting in Utah a couple of years ago).
There will be a ton of people at that meeting. Many new people, but also many regulars. Go talk to people. Ask about the person who invited you to the meeting. Ask to talk directly to other people under them away from the meeting, without the person there. If you aren't comfortable with that person, find someone else. If you do that, there will be a "process" because once you are invited, you are locked under that person for a short period of time. That is for good reason. It prevents people from "sniping" other people's recruits and keeps things on the up and up. But, if you aren't comfortable with the person, that is perfectly understandable, too. Trust me, Scott would NEVER force you to work with someone you aren't comfortable with.
Out of curiosity, have you ever been through the briefing videos? If you are interested, check out this link: https://krp.invest-in-re.com/
There's no commitment, it just goes over what Renatus is all about.
My 20k investment taught me one thing. Don’t believe the hype. Take your money your thinking about investing into the program and purchase your first real estate deal or more real estate.
I Will keep this short. I was introduced to the program through a relative after signing up i shortly found out that because my wife’s email was tied onto someone else’s name we were no longer on my relatives team. We invested a large amount of money believing we’d be working with those we know helped us get started only to be stuck in between a sales battle. Of course when this happend 2 years ago I reached out to the owner of the program to see what could be done and sad to say nothing was resolved. As a newbie investor this is a horrible first experience. The owner had the chance to fix it but they didn’t. My 20k investment into the program and not even a conversation with the owner or an email about how to make it right. Only a short email from a receptionist. I felt compelled to post this as I see more advertising for renatus. I feel it very important that anyone investing that much money be advised about my experience. To this day nothing has been resolved. And to those that are thinking about joining be smart and do your own homework. If your a newbie investor looking to get started just know the information your looking for you can find it. the relationships your looking for are out there. And lastly to the owner of renatus you still can make it right.
Just my 2 cents, BBB rating only means the firm paid $600 to get the good rating, so why is BBB any less of a scam. They rate good as long as you pay and renew every year for $600 that's bribery to me, ratings don't mean anything it's not based on real data only membership payments. There's been testimonials from people on how they were able to build wealth in Renatus which took time, years even. The instructors-coaches are also investors with high earnings and net worth. The possibilities are there but never guaranteed. This said, I agree do your own research before spending the $20k or $2k, I certainly am. There has to be value add. Do I take my 20k and invest in a real deal or in education? No doubt education is important, what we don't know can cost plenty in real estate, there are other ways to gain knowledge. The double edged value in these memberships is the networking, validations, sharing of what works, what doesn't, the 'inner circle' deals and hanging out with like minded folks and work with same group, so it's a bit exclusive. Anyway, I'm trying out the marketing side of Renatus, but on my terms. I own other companies aka investments so whatever i do, I have to weave it into my lifestyle, needs, goals and align them. I've never been good at this kind of sales and if have to change my lifestyle then no its not for me, time to find another way. I am willing to test the waters for awhile. I'm a skeptic like others here, so I'm testing them out still after a year. is it worth $200/year membership, same as our pro fees here $300+ - each of us will have a different perspective and responses. We all have different journeys, nothing is wrong or right, it's about what works for your lifestyle and what you want to achieve, your motivation, your values, etc. At the end of the day, some memberships offer more than others. Not comparing but for me, both memberships offer the learning aspects that I can add tools to my own toolbelt for my investments to improve and get better.
I'd like to chime in on a couple of the common misconceptions that a lot of people here seem to have, both with education in general and with Renatus in particular.
First, the concept that Renatus is MLM. People say this because they don't know anything about it. It is not "multi-level", therefore can't be an MLM. Sure, they allow their students to market their education product and pay them handsomely for that effort. So what? Every company out there markets their product. Does it make it a "scam" just because they use the people who have been through their program? That's like a company that does software development giving employees a bonus for referring other good programmers automatically makes the company a "scam". Again, people don't understand it, but they think their opinion means something regardless.
Second, from what I've seen, Renatus provides *COMPREHENSIVE* education tracks on particular subjects. Can you learn all this info for free, on your own? Probably. But how long will it take you? How thorough is that education? You can become a brain surgeon on your own without medical school, too. How many YouTube videos do you expect someone to watch before they start cutting into your skull? How many books do you think you would need to read before you become a structural engineer?
Here's a thought experiment: Let's say that you think you know enough to get started. You jump into some aspect of real estate investment and in your first year, you make $50k. Not bad. But what if you missed HUGE opportunities or made some really rookie mistakes (I'm sure the people who say "do it on your own for free!" never made any rookie mistakes, right?)? What if you had gone through the Renatus training and you learned enough NOT to make those mistakes and, in doing so, you would have made $80k that year? Would that $20k in education have been worth it? What if you were able to double what you did and make $100k that year? Is that $20k worth making another $30k?
I just turned 58 and when I was 55, I got my bachelor's degree in IT/Software Development from WGU, which is an online, self-paced university. It took me just over 3 years to go through a 5-year degree program while working full time. Trust me, I know how to self-study, I have plenty of motivation and drive and I'm not the dullest tool in the shed. But I don't know how to determine when I've had "enough" training to be relatively sure I'm not going to make a very costly mistake.
Can you make a lot of money in real estate? Sure. Can you lose a lot of money in real estate, if you don't know what you are doing? Ask these people who are encouraging you to "self-study" for free. You get exactly what you pay for.
Here's another thought: What if you are in the middle of a flip and you come across a problem with your roof? You don't know any roofers, so you just pick one out of the yellow pages (yeah, I'm showing my age) and they got 1/2 way done and then went to do another job and it rained, destroying your roof? Now imagine if you were part of a *COMMUNITY* of investors that go out of their way to help one another? You need a roofer and one of them says, "Oh yeah I know a guy. He's done the last 3 of my properties. I'll hook you up!" Do you think you could save $5k in that instance? $10k? $15k? How many of those would it take to recoup that $20k you spent on training?
I've been trying to break into real estate investing for a long time. I've gone to several of the "sales pitch" seminars and seen the cons from up close. I've done 2 real estate deals that cost me almost $100k because I didn't have the education and the community support.
I don't know how many books you've read on real estate, but these people in this thread that are telling you to go it alone and never pay for anything that you can get "for free" have clearly not read or at least understood any of them that I've read. One of the most common threads in the books that I've read is "BUILD YOUR TEAM!!!" Buying into Renatus is buying into a team. It's buying into a community of people who want to help each other.
I belonged to a REI in Portland, Oregon. It was NOTHING like the Renatus team I'm currently getting involved with. The "education" that was presented at the REI meetings were little more than sales pitches, giving people just enough information to be enticing to go buy their education system and just enough to be extremely dangerous without the rest of the training. With Renatus, when you buy in, there is no up-selling, there is no "pay a little more to get a little more", there is no "you bought the system 3 years ago, so you have to buy it again to get the newest stuff". You pay the ONE TIME fee and you get everything for life. And you get all the NEW stuff, as it comes out, for life. I just went to a meeting last night where the leader was saying that the tax and business classes are remade every single year because the tax laws change every year. Are you willing to go search for TAX LAW information on your own ("for free") and expect to understand the newest changes every year? I don't know about you, but that seems ridiculous and extremely dangerous to me.
you can definetly learn it in less time than it takes to make 20k its a fat waste of money and an mlm
Any good opportunity can attract bad apples, but here, they don't last because the culture is being of service and making a difference. People that are just out to fill their own pockets don't fit in - we don't have to take advantage of people
to make money in real estate. There are a lot of investors out there that take a lot and don't create the best places to live or contribute greatly to neighborhoods. Renatus is out to change that. Marketing the education is optional, and I believe it is one of the most humane ways to compensate an independent business owner. The product is the best in the industry and is worth way more than the investment. Upselling here is a thing of the past, the knowledge is constantly updated and new knowledge gets added at no extra charge because of the lifetime access of the program. Entrepreneurial ecosystems are being created all over the country to foster local expertise and resources. Fastest growing company 3 years in a row now - blows away the school of hard knocks. One $20K deal and you just got your money back. Real estate is playing big - just hiring the wrong contractor can easily cause us to lose $20K. I'd rather learn from other people's mistakes than make them myself. Even the savviest of investors have joined Renatus and share stories of gratitude http://3030-vision.com
My concern is the facilitator states he was broke when he began, as am I. IF I am broke as he was how do they ask for $20,000?
Any good opportunity can attract bad apples, but here, they don't last because the culture is being of service and making a difference. People that are just out to fill their own pockets don't fit in - we don't have to take advantage of people
to make money in real estate. There are a lot of investors out there that take a lot and don't create the best places to live or contribute greatly to neighborhoods. Renatus is out to change that. Marketing the education is optional, and I believe it is one of the most humane ways to compensate an independent business owner. The product is the best in the industry and is worth way more than the investment. Upselling here is a thing of the past, the knowledge is constantly updated and new knowledge gets added at no extra charge because of the lifetime access of the program. Entrepreneurial ecosystems are being created all over the country to foster local expertise and resources. Fastest growing company 3 years in a row now - blows away the school of hard knocks. One $20K deal and you just got your money back. Real estate is playing big - just hiring the wrong contractor can easily cause us to lose $20K. I'd rather learn from other people's mistakes than make them myself. Even the savviest of investors have joined Renatus and share stories of gratitude http://3030-vision.com
My concern is the facilitator states he was broke when he began, as am I. IF I am broke as he was how do they ask for $20,000?
it’s probably all a sales pitch it is there job to recruit people. They get them selves stuck in a 20k hole and they try to dig them selves out by getting other people to join.
The world is a MLM led by the largest....the government. Corporate America is a MLM. After doing my research, Renatus is a resource that you choose to leverage. Their education and community is a resource to take your RES aspirations to a new level. Just like anything else, it is not for everyone. Either is delivering packages but people do it, make other people and themselves money and enjoy it. It all comes down to the individual. Scam is dishonest or fraudulent...they provide a community outlet and education so I guess some folks above need to revisit their definition of scam.
I tired many things before finding Renatus, REA Clubs, Solo Bigger Pockets, YouTube Gurus, even got played by some fake telling me that he would be my mentor! Friends, I came to the realization that i'll have to pay money, one way or another. Why not just pay once where everything is all in one place. Think about it and be realistic... even bigger pockets charges for bits and pieces of info.
I treated there education like college, and it was cheaper than community college lol! I joined when I was 26 and i am now 35. They taught me to be a true transactional engineer and I have been able to do multiple transactions. I now make my full time living as a real estate investor. I have done flips, wholesale, Tax liens, Creative Acquisitions, and more. We own Mobile Home Parks and provide rent to own deals for those who cant get traditional bank funding.
They do offer an Affiliate program but did you know that it is 100% Optional? I think its pretty cool the the company allows people to share in THEIR PROFITS instead of how others in the market place, sell you something small and then continue to sell you as they create new products and services. Think about it the best way to build wealth is to be able to create income and then take that Income and invest it into real estate to build long term wealth.
I liked the fact that they gave me life time access with out ever charging me again, since i started with Renatus they have launched 50 new courses and guess what, i didn't pay a dime more! Also UPDATES ARE MADE FREE OF CHARGE..
We all know how important environment is to development, i love the fact that their business model is about creating investor communities built for locals by locals and powered by one education system, this way we the people can be on the same page to minimize bad deals.
Again folks no right or wrong, do you research but always look a facts and not other peoples opinions. Make it work... real estate investing is THE BEST WAY to get wealthy and stay wealthy.
I can't see paying for Information that is readily available for free. Maybe start with going to some $500 weekend classes that are put on by reputable RE clubs.