Short Term Rental Insurance - Owner Occupied Duplex - California

Short Term Rental Insurance - Owner Occupied Duplex - California

Baird KingPro Member
Investor · Santa Barbara & Ventura · Member since 2020 · 227 posts · 65 votes

Insurance difficulties are everywhere these days, but it seems there is at least one (expensive) option in most instances.  We are having a heck of a time finding ANY option for our situation.  We live in one unit on our duplex consisting of two stand-alone houses in Ventura, California.  The other house is a short term rental.  We have found policies that would cover the entire property if it was not owner occupied, and we have found policies that would cover the property if the units were connected.  We have been working with multiple brokers who have tried with all the big name providers, as well as loads of smaller providers. We have also tried Proper, which seemed so promising, but they don't cover our zip code.  The insurance world is changing rapidly so I am hoping someone out there in a similar situation has had recent success.  I would hugely appreciate any suggestions, tips or tricks!

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Nate MeekerBusiness Member
Real Estate CPA | California · Member since 2020 · 544 posts · 251 votes
2y

@Baird King - I had a client in a similar situation recently find success with Obie!

Side note, miss that coast! Lots of fun times at rincon and county line.

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  • Sarah DowneyPro Member
    Lender · Springfield MO · Member since 2023 · 56 posts · 63 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Baird King:

    Insurance difficulties are everywhere these days, but it seems there is at least one (expensive) option in most instances.  We are having a heck of a time finding ANY option for our situation.  We live in one unit on our duplex consisting of two stand-alone houses in Ventura, California.  The other house is a short term rental.  We have found policies that would cover the entire property if it was not owner occupied, and we have found policies that would cover the property if the units were connected.  We have been working with multiple brokers who have tried with all the big name providers, as well as loads of smaller providers. We have also tried Proper, which seemed so promising, but they don't cover our zip code.  The insurance world is changing rapidly so I am hoping someone out there in a similar situation has had recent success.  I would hugely appreciate any suggestions, tips or tricks!

    Have you tried OBIE or STEADILY? They might be able to help work through this. They focus on policies for real estate investors. You should be able to get connected with them online quickly. I know both were at BPCon23 and we have gotten lots of policies with them for our investors.

  • Baird KingPro Member
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    Investor · Santa Barbara & Ventura · Member since 2020 · 227 posts · 65 votes
    2y

    Thanks for the recommendation @Sarah Downey. We have tried Steadily but we have not tried Obie yet.  We will give them a shot. 

  • Member since 2023 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    2y

    Would separating the properties solve the issue? Then you can use Proper for the STR and get traditional for your home. Might me some tax advantages to this as well. Good luck!

  • Nate MeekerBusiness Member
    Real Estate CPA | California · Member since 2020 · 544 posts · 251 votes
    2y

    @Baird King - I had a client in a similar situation recently find success with Obie!

    Side note, miss that coast! Lots of fun times at rincon and county line.

    The CPA Realtor 570 Reviews
  • Baird KingPro Member
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    Investor · Santa Barbara & Ventura · Member since 2020 · 227 posts · 65 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Laura Fadok:

    Would separating the properties solve the issue? Then you can use Proper for the STR and get traditional for your home. Might me some tax advantages to this as well. Good luck!


    Its a consideration, but unfortunately not as simple a solution as I would hope for.  I imagine this would take close to a year if all went well, and eat up a lot of funds. Not sure if it would be worth it.  You aren't the first person to suggest it, however. Thanks!

  • Baird KingPro Member
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    Investor · Santa Barbara & Ventura · Member since 2020 · 227 posts · 65 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Nate Meeker:

    @Baird King - I had a client in a similar situation recently find success with Obie!

    Side note, miss that coast! Lots of fun times at rincon and county line.


     Thanks for the tip. I will be reaching out to Obie this week. Hope inland is treating you well :-)

  • Real estate agent · Montecito, CA · Member since 2022 · 15 posts · 2 votes
    2y

    Hi Baird, 

    You can try Kelly Weiser at The Weiser Agency. I have not worked with her but my colleague has and says she's great. 

    https://www.theweiseragency.com/personal-insurance

    -Jennifer

  • Baird KingPro Member
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    Investor · Santa Barbara & Ventura · Member since 2020 · 227 posts · 65 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Jennifer Gore:

    Hi Baird, 

    You can try Kelly Weiser at The Weiser Agency. I have not worked with her but my colleague has and says she's great. 

    https://www.theweiseragency.com/personal-insurance

    -Jennifer


     Great, thanks Jennifer!

  • Investor · San Francisco, Bay Area · Member since 2019 · 62 posts · 16 votes
    2y

    Hi Baird,

    Did you happen to figure out this situation? I’m in a similar one myself. 

  • Baird KingPro Member
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    Investor · Santa Barbara & Ventura · Member since 2020 · 227 posts · 65 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Alexander Canha:

    Hi Baird,

    Did you happen to figure out this situation? I’m in a similar one myself. 

    Hey Alexander. Yes we did. We ended up going back to Proper. They had rejected us the first go around, but we had no problem with them the second time. Didn’t get a great answer as to why it didn’t work in round 1. The rep who helped us the second time said it should have gone through. Definitely an argument against stopping just because one person says ‘no’. 
  • Investor · San Francisco, Bay Area · Member since 2019 · 62 posts · 16 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Baird King:
    Quote from @Alexander Canha:

    Hi Baird,

    Did you happen to figure out this situation? I’m in a similar one myself. 

    Hey Alexander. Yes we did. We ended up going back to Proper. They had rejected us the first go around, but we had no problem with them the second time. Didn’t get a great answer as to why it didn’t work in round 1. The rep who helped us the second time said it should have gone through. Definitely an argument against stopping just because one person says ‘no’. 

     Hmm interesting! They rejected me already because of a high fire hazard but I’ll try them again. 

  • Baird KingPro Member
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    Investor · Santa Barbara & Ventura · Member since 2020 · 227 posts · 65 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Alexander Canha:
    Quote from @Baird King:
    Quote from @Alexander Canha:

    Hi Baird,

    Did you happen to figure out this situation? I’m in a similar one myself. 

    Hey Alexander. Yes we did. We ended up going back to Proper. They had rejected us the first go around, but we had no problem with them the second time. Didn’t get a great answer as to why it didn’t work in round 1. The rep who helped us the second time said it should have gone through. Definitely an argument against stopping just because one person says ‘no’. 

     Hmm interesting! They rejected me already because of a high fire hazard but I’ll try them again. 


     Definitely worth a shot. I think they cited fire for us initially as well.  Good luck!

  • Chicago, IL · Member since 2023 · 28 posts · 20 votes
    2y

    If anyone has questions on Obie, feel free to send them my way. Happy to help!

    -Aaron

    Obie Co-Founder

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