Investment Diverification Austin

Investment Diverification Austin

Park City, UT · Member since 2008 · 28 posts · 3 votes

Greetings,
Here is a thought that I'd like to throw out there. Its about diversification and cash flow.
When one buys a sf rental for lets say $200,000, and it rents for say $1500/month. After taxes, maintenance and property management one might net $8,000 annually if lucky. Whereas one could invest in businesses where the cash flow could be so much greater. for example, a restaurant that one buys the ongoing business of for the same $200,000 might net $30,000-$50,000 annually. Both ideas have risk, for the houses tenent problems, and damage, vs business failure or underperformance. Both ideas take energy, and while one could hire a property manager for sf rentals, one hires a manager for the business.
Would the eventual asset value of the houses be more than the increased cash flow for the businesses over a 20 year period? I'm not sure it would.

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Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
13y

Michael,
Welcome to the next level of real estate investing; where you rub your eyes and say, "Wait a minute...." ;-) There's a point every new cashflow (aka landlord) investor starts to realize they're worth a million dollars and can't afford a sandwich. Some people compensate for this by landlording and flipping, but despite the fact that both businesses are in real estate you can't escape the reality that one is an equity business while the other is a cash-making business. You can make a living pursuing cash businesses only. There are many people that have done quite well at that. I think you can make a better living by also pursuing an equity business at the same time. You need a place to put that cash you're making and I think the benefits of real estate are great, but this is just one opinion. It doesn't NEED to be real estate and frankly in real estate it doesn't NEED to be a real estate business where you handle tenants. I talked with a guy who was blowing my ROI out of the water by growing wheat on farmland rather than investing that money into apartments.

Tim

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  • Attorney · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2008 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    Michael,
    Welcome to the next level of real estate investing; where you rub your eyes and say, "Wait a minute...." ;-) There's a point every new cashflow (aka landlord) investor starts to realize they're worth a million dollars and can't afford a sandwich. Some people compensate for this by landlording and flipping, but despite the fact that both businesses are in real estate you can't escape the reality that one is an equity business while the other is a cash-making business. You can make a living pursuing cash businesses only. There are many people that have done quite well at that. I think you can make a better living by also pursuing an equity business at the same time. You need a place to put that cash you're making and I think the benefits of real estate are great, but this is just one opinion. It doesn't NEED to be real estate and frankly in real estate it doesn't NEED to be a real estate business where you handle tenants. I talked with a guy who was blowing my ROI out of the water by growing wheat on farmland rather than investing that money into apartments.

    Tim

  • Austin, TX · Member since 2014 · 20 posts · 6 votes
    11y

    Michael, I am a serial entrepreneur...I am extremely blessed to have a wife that supports my dreams.  We currently own several businesses and numerous residential and commercial properties in and around Austin and central Texas.  Starting a business is full of risk and ways to fail.  Buying real estate has many associated risks as well.  After owning a successful business since 1981, I can tell you that buying the building we are in after being in business for ten years has been the best move we have ever made. The business, while started with $30,000 is only worth $500,000 on its best day, after 33-years.  The property, while it has been owned for ten years less time was purchased for $350,000.  Using a 10% down SBA loan, we put down $35,000...that property is worth $6,000,000, after 23-years.  Over the years we have borrowed against the property to buy out three sets of partners, to buy other investment properties, and to live on in the lean economic years. We currently owe $1,200,000 on that particular property...it is a small strip center and our tenants make the mortgage payment for us. We are able to stay in the majority of the space for the cost of the annual taxes.  For me, the best part of owning a business in a property that we own is that you are paying it off as the value increases...at some point, there will be no mortgage payment.  When that happens in a few years, we get a $five-figure monthly raise.  I guess the bottom line for me is, buy a building, start a business, let the business pay off the building for you.   We have sold two of our businesses and received a 10-year and a 15-year lease on our buildings from the company that we sold our businesses to. That was enough of a lease to pay those notes down to just a few thousand dollars each. Now that the tenant has moved out of one building after the 10-year lease was over, we were free to sell it. We listed it and rapidly received a contract and expected to close in the next forty-days. We put $13,000 down when we bought the building when we used an SBA loan to buy it.The business made all the of the payments. We sold the business for a huge profit ten-years ago and now we are selling our $13,000 property investment for $600,000.  Start a business and let your business pay off your property. Owning a business can be fun and give you something to do with your time, but owning real estate can make you wealthy and give you free time.

  • Real Estate Broker · Austin, TX · Member since 2014 · 75 posts · 18 votes
    11y

    @Curtis W. Sutherland I like it!
    17x in 23 years is pretty phenomenal. Are you expecting the same types of returns in Austin over the next 23 years? 

    I just looked at your profile and see that you plan to develop it, so it looks like you're doubling down. Very cool. I just happened to drive by there on my way home today. It looks like re-development of that section of Congress is already beginning, so sounds like timing will be right.

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