How to secure a property when it's not yet for sale

How to secure a property when it's not yet for sale

Buy and Hold Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2013 · 264 posts · 102 votes

So, I bought a house from a nice older couple. It was their mother's house, and they live next door. The two lots are totally fenced in together with no fence between them, and in total they're 1 acre (I have 0.6, and they have 0.4). 

My long term exit strategy is to acquire their house (for the lot) and sell the 1 acre to a developer. If East Nashville keeps building like it has been, this could net me 200 to 500 k, minimum, which I'd 1031 into a large multifamily. Or so the thought goes.

My question is: what's the best way to secure the right to buy their house when I know they have no intention of selling any time soon? They spent some of the profits on the earlier sale to me on upgrades for their house (they're both retired and on a fixed income, I assume), so I doubt they're planning to sell. But they're probably in their 70s, so at some point I assume they'll need to go elsewhere. I just want to make sure that when that happens, I get the right of refusal on their house/lot.

Could I draft some sort of option contract where I pay them some nominal sum now for the right to try and purchase the house when they get ready to sell? If so, how do I insure that they don't try and gouge me when the time comes? I don't mind paying fair value, but don't want to get hosed. And the property is worth more to me than anyone else, since controlling both lots is the way to maximize values.

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Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
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Right of First Refusal - And be the best neighbor you can be.

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  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
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    Legally, contractually, now....probably nothing since they're not ready.  Just let them know you're interested whenever the time comes, and remain on good terms with them, so that they'd rather deal with you as opposed to a stranger.

  • Dave FosterBusiness Member
    Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    10y

    Right of First Refusal - And be the best neighbor you can be.

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  • Buy and Hold Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2013 · 264 posts · 102 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Dave Foster:

    Right of First Refusal - And be the best neighbor you can be.

     Right, that's what I was thinking. Do you have any direct experience with this, or tips for how it might best be done?

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
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    Old folks are a protected class under elder-laws, go putting some crazy creative I want to lock you up forever contract can backfire, like if one goes to the hospital or dies!

    I like Wayne's post, use some psychology and wait.

    What you could do is buy a part of the interest in the property, tenants in common if they owe you money or you pay them consideration or they finance it to you since they live there. 

    I would not use an option in this case and a FROR does nothing but allow you to meet o beat another offer........if and when they sell. An option is for a certain period of time, any idea when they are going to die and someone takes the property subject to your option? Naaa, just but an interest with an agreement to purchase their remaining interests, a conditional purchase agreement, see your attorney and your accountant. 

    Make sure they aren't getting taken, elder laws can bite you. :)  

  • Dave FosterBusiness Member
    Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
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    There's two approaches

    1. A right to match any legitimate offer that comes in to buy the property.  This is good for a set period of time.  There's no price listed and it doesn't matter what they list it for when they are ready to sell.  The market will tell you it's a legitimate offer.  Down side is it can artificially increase the initial offer you have to match since the other potential buyer will know there is a ROFR..

    2. A right to get first notification when they are ready to sell and the right to accept their price. This one's a little more hinky because it let's them set the price but you still have the right to accept or not and more importantly it eliminates initial competition.

    Either way the agreement is only good with consideration. So give them something for it.  And have it run with the property not the seller.

    Most folk that age are still the generation of "pretty is as pretty does" and "my word is my bond" So while these are good techniques (especially if there are heirs running around somewhere) nothing beats mowing their yard, shovelling their snow, and baking cookies once in a while.  You'll receive the bigger blessing of access to their lifetime of memories in those houses.

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  • Buy and Hold Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2013 · 264 posts · 102 votes
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    Originally posted by @Bill Gulley:

    Old folks are a protected class under elder-laws, go putting some crazy creative I want to lock you up forever contract can backfire, like if one goes to the hospital or dies!

    I like Wayne's post, use some psychology and wait.

    What you could do is buy a part of the interest in the property, tenants in common if they owe you money or you pay them consideration or they finance it to you since they live there. 

    I would not use an option in this case and a FROR does nothing but allow you to meet o beat another offer........if and when they sell. An option is for a certain period of time, any idea when they are going to die and someone takes the property subject to your option? Naaa, just but an interest with an agreement to purchase their remaining interests, a conditional purchase agreement, see your attorney and your accountant. 

    Make sure they aren't getting taken, elder laws can bite you. :)  

     They definitely won't be getting taken. I paid fair value for their mom's house, and they paid $1 for their house in 1987. The market is such now that everyone can make money -- I just want to make sure I maximize my investment by acquiring their property when they're ready for a fair price.


    Can you expand on how to "buy an interest" in their property?  Like buying a share of stock in a company with an option to purchase more in the future? I'm not familiar with how that would work here. This is all advanced stuff for me right now. :)

  • Buy and Hold Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2013 · 264 posts · 102 votes
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    Originally posted by @Dave Foster:

    There's two approaches

    1. A right to match any legitimate offer that comes in to buy the property.  This is good for a set period of time.  There's no price listed and it doesn't matter what they list it for when they are ready to sell.  The market will tell you it's a legitimate offer.  Down side is it can artificially increase the initial offer you have to match since the other potential buyer will know there is a ROFR..

    2. A right to get first notification when they are ready to sell and the right to accept their price. This one's a little more hinky because it let's them set the price but you still have the right to accept or not and more importantly it eliminates initial competition.

    Either way the agreement is only good with consideration. So give them something for it.  And have it run with the property not the seller.

    So, either risk getting an artificially inflated offer because the other buyer will know I have ROFR, or risk getting an artificially inflated offer because the seller gets to pick a number out of a hat? Man, I guess there's no good way to insure a fair price when they're ready to sell. And if there are heirs, they'll definitely want to squeeze me (given the negotiations on their mother's house).

  • Buy and Hold Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2013 · 264 posts · 102 votes
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    Originally posted by @Dave Foster:

    Most folk that age are still the generation of "pretty is as pretty does" and "my word is my bond" So while these are good techniques (especially if there are heirs running around somewhere) nothing beats mowing their yard, shovelling their snow, and baking cookies once in a while.  You'll receive the bigger blessing of access to their lifetime of memories in those houses.

    Yeah, we have a solid rapport now, but I don't live in the house next door (it's a buy and hold), so I have limited chances to interact with them. My lawncare guy does have instructions to cut their yard when he does mine if it needs it, but so far it hasn't needed it.

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
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    @JT Spangler

    Actually, it's not advanced stuff, it's basic real estate, you can find it free through my signature. 

    Purchase and re-purchase agreements can have a sale based on an appraised value acceptable obtained in the future, to the owners at the time the contract is made, or the average of two appraisals, or a price agreed to today, it simple requires a price that can be ascertained when the contract is exercised. Such sale contracts can be over a specific period or time or be executed on a specific occurrence, trigger events could be the death of one partner in title, or both, or if the sun does or does not rise on a Monday, in other words, anything can be agreed to as a triggering event.  

    Title ownership is like a piece of pie, it can be divided many ways. This is taught in basic real estate classes. Tenancy in Common (TIC) is a form of ownership and the owners may use a "TIC Agreement", unspoken of on BP I believe, a TIC Agreement spells out out such matters as what an ownership interest an owner has, their rights to use a property, common areas, notices of sale, rights of first refusal, any option of other owners, future sales required upon certain events and any reversionary interests that may operate by law. This agreement does not need to be complex, but one could be.

    TIC Agreements are more common in apartment complexes with multiple owners, it is used to avoid condo or planned unit development restrictions, however a TIC can be used for holding title to any real estate parcel, including single family residential properties.

    Simply look up Tenancy in Common as rights change upon a sale or death of an owner, not a problem when a TIC Agreement is used, so consult your attorney as to local and state requirements.

    Contrary to popular investor beliefs on the internet, nothing really ties up title other than a restrictive covenant to title or joint tenancy ownership exists where both or all owners must agree to pass all interests in title, subject to state laws. I can buy legal title to a property you hold an option on, subject to that option just as I can with any other lien or encumbrance. Again, basic real estate. Your right of first refusal is generally made as to passing all title interests, not part, so depending on how that agreement is made, I could buy a third interest, in the event all interests are to be sold, we'd give the holder a call! :)

    In six years on BP, I've not seen any in depth discussion about the use of TIC ownership, I guess it's over the heads of the gurus, because most of the strategies attempted by investors can be better accomplished with TIC.

    1. A minority interest in title keeps majority owners safe from general liens or judgments of a minority holder.

    2. It allows the Wholesaler to advertise the property all day long, take out a billboard ad in front of the state real estate commission in Oho or any other state without fear of getting nailed!

    3. It allows a fix and flipper to go in, obtain building permits as an owner, execute contracts and establish liens to the extent of their ownership.

    4. It allows an owner to lease their interests or all interests of a property, that takes care of your sandwich lease junk where the first tear tenant, the investor, can't contract for repairs or maintenance. 

    5. Future equity may be assigned under a TIC Agreement, something long term option holders like to obtain.

    6. It is much more difficult to have a TIC transfer with an unrecorded TIC agreement to be found or recognized as a disguised sale or an installment agreement. You simply declare the minority purchase.

    7. Since minority interests are generally protected from creditors, it's a good tool for estate planning. 

    8. If not otherwise restricted by a TIC Agreement, an owner in TIC may obtain loans up to their interests held.

    9. By slicing up the TIC interests you can have more than one owner holding the slice of pie of the total ownership, for those using partners.

    10. A TIC can be in or part of an LLC or Trust, so the games played there are all available to the TIC ownership arrangement.

    NOTE: Selling any interest in a property securing a mortgage can trigger the due on sale clause. Now, I have seen options and installment contracts as well as long leases trigger the DOS, I've never heard of a lender calling a loan due because title was held in TIC.

    I hate to let the cat out of the bag, but this is just one aspect of why I tell beginners to learn real estate instead of this guru monkey business they chase like chickens with their heads cut off and getting into unethical and illegal messes.

    There is nothing new in real estate and there is nothing that you can do legally that hasn't been done before. 

    You mean newbies pass up divorce deals where one party refuses to sell...... buy the interest held, the other party will sell, one way or another!

    Learn the basics of real estate before trying to deal in real estate!  :)

  • Buy and Hold Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2013 · 264 posts · 102 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Bill Gulley:

    @JT Spangler

    Actually, it's not advanced stuff, it's basic real estate, you can find it free through my signature. 

    Learn the basics of real estate before trying to deal in real estate!  :)

    The difference between "basic" and "advanced" is entirely subjective. And while I whole-heartedly appreciate you sharing the information, I advise you not to try and sell your guru programs to people by insulting and condescending to them. This is friendly advice from someone who gets paid six figures a year (part time) to instruct employees at a Fortune 10 company. :)

  • Investor · Sherman Oaks, CA · Member since 2008 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @JT Spangler:
    Originally posted by @Bill Gulley:

    @JT Spangler

    Actually, it's not advanced stuff, it's basic real estate, you can find it free through my signature. 

    Learn the basics of real estate before trying to deal in real estate!  :)

    The difference between "basic" and "advanced" is entirely subjective. And while I whole-heartedly appreciate you sharing the information, I advise you not to try and sell your guru programs to people by insulting and condescending to them. This is friendly advice from someone who gets paid six figures a year (part time) to instruct employees at a Fortune 10 company. :)

     Hi JT

    I'm glad you think that you're a good teacher. BP is a place for people to speak their mind and I'm glad you're speaking yours

    If you hang around BP, you going to learn a lot about some advanced topics, and hopefully get some great information and advice.

    Bill Gulley is one of the best teachers on this site, and although he may sound a little "parental" he knows more in his little finger than 99.9% of everyone else here and I include myself

    Welcome to BP and I would forward to hearing something from you JT that is truly valuable

    Best Wishes

    Brian

    @Ben Leybovich

    @Dion DePaoli

    @J Scott

    @Account Closed

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @JT Spangler:
    Originally posted by @Bill Gulley:

    @JT Spangler

    Actually, it's not advanced stuff, it's basic real estate, you can find it free through my signature. 

    Learn the basics of real estate before trying to deal in real estate!  :)

    The difference between "basic" and "advanced" is entirely subjective. And while I whole-heartedly appreciate you sharing the information, I advise you not to try and sell your guru programs to people by insulting and condescending to them. This is friendly advice from someone who gets paid six figures a year (part time) to instruct employees at a Fortune 10 company. :)

     JT, it wasn't personal toward you, I get that often from newer members, basic is mostly what Realtors must learn to get a license, that's not very much. Advanced is going beyond what a Realtor agent/broker learn for a license, they have advanced designations that require more education and testing. 

    My basics course is absolutely free, I'm a contributor there. I have taught at the college and university level, if you'd visit the site you'd see it's not guru stuff, no fluff, no puffing, just hard core educational materials, of course with much less condescending and insulting remarks, LOL. So, with that said, I'm not a guru nor do I sell guru materials. The site is mainly set up on a donation basis, you probably know software, IT support, admin aspects aren't free. The site is set up to survive, not make a million bucks. I'm not competing with Josh, LOL.  

    Being rather new here, you might notice that I have said learn the basics before trying to deal in real estate, it's rather a by line, again not directed at just you but to possibly 350,000 other members. 

    Most everyone on BP knows and understands I use simple and direct language, mostly so I don't have to wear my fingers out typing flowery beat around the bush suggestions that I might use in person, it also comes from my Army background, I have a spoof about guru boot camps.

    If you get to some of my motivational rants, you might wait until you have thicker skin as it takes thick skin to be in real estate, we don't have the more pleasant, more humane and ethical aspects of corporate life at the beginning of a real estate adventure. Not saying you don't have thicker skin, just saying we don't take things so personally and when I pull my boot out of someone's back side, they know it. My boots were flat on the floor, but thank you for your expert opinion I understand your point. :)     

  • Investor · Central Valley, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    10y

    Option to purchase

    Purchase with Life Estate

    Straight purchase with seller carry back.

  • Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2015 · 688 posts · 607 votes
    10y

    @JT Spangler

    I am going to suggest something no one else did.

    Put it under contract at a future price. Ask them what they want for it and put it under contract for x amount of time. Put the expiration date 20 years in the future. This guarantees you first right of refusal because you have it under contract. 

    just stipulate that it won't close until after they die, then once they do, close on it at the price you agreed upon, terminate because the price is too high, or renegotiate the price down if the market turns down, which it will

    Just a thought :)

  • Investor · Fort Collins, CO · Member since 2015 · 304 posts · 112 votes
    10y

    @Bill Gulley That was one of the most interesting posts I have read since joining BP. I am fully aware of TIC but have never thought of it as an element to be used for acquisition. Even though, now that you have pointed it out it makes complete sense. With the correct application that can be a great tool moving forward. Thanks!

  • Ozark , MO · Member since 2014 · 61 posts · 40 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Devan Mcclish:

    @JT Spangler

    I am going to suggest something no one else did.

    Put it under contract at a future price. Ask them what they want for it and put it under contract for x amount of time. Put the expiration date 20 years in the future. This guarantees you first right of refusal because you have it under contract. 

    just stipulate that it won't close until after they die, then once they do, close on it at the price you agreed upon, terminate because the price is too high, or renegotiate the price down if the market turns down, which it will

    Just a thought :)

     @Bill Gulley can you please remind me why having an option for 20 years is a bad idea? (Or possibly that I am not remembering this correctly)

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Phillip Tillotson:
    Originally posted by @Devan Mcclish:

    @JT Spangler

    I am going to suggest something no one else did.

    Put it under contract at a future price. Ask them what they want for it and put it under contract for x amount of time. Put the expiration date 20 years in the future. This guarantees you first right of refusal because you have it under contract. 

    just stipulate that it won't close until after they die, then once they do, close on it at the price you agreed upon, terminate because the price is too high, or renegotiate the price down if the market turns down, which it will

    Just a thought :)

     @Bill Gulley can you please remind me why having an option for 20 years is a bad idea? (Or possibly that I am not remembering this correctly)

     Life occurrences, death, bankruptcy, divorce, judgments or general liens can effect an optionor or optionee when they are individuals. The longer the term the more risk there will be. 20 years is fine for a corporation as life occurrences don't really apply but carry different business risks, even so, a corporate lease option to buy arrangement is business decision. Individuals shouldn't really go further than 5 years, 3 years is better. IMO.

    There is also the due on sale clause matter, hide out for 3 to 5 years is one thing, 20 years is entirely different.

    I believe JT is speaking of a purchase contract, that won't really work as sale contracts generally don't survive more than 12 months unless it's a build contract, then 12 months after completion. You'll find limitations in state law and the UCC. 

    A sale contract that has a trigger, that becomes effective in the future upon some occurrence is what would be needed, these are conditional contracts.

    I'll point out too, @ K. Marie, her suggestion of a life estate is excellent in this situation. 

    It's much better to be in title then to be under any contract. :)      

  • Rental Property Investor · Bermuda Run, NC · Member since 2014 · 44 posts · 33 votes
    10y

    @JT Spangler

    Is there a scenario where you purchase their property now, for a more than fair price & guarantee them the best rental experience they've ever had? They can rent at a very reasonable or low rent. You're handling any and all maintenance of course. Have more than enough comps to support your price, thus no one can accuse you of attempting to take advantage of these folks. They get a nice chunk of cash & ultimately you have your end result.

  • Buy and Hold Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2013 · 264 posts · 102 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Brian Gibbons:
    Originally posted by @JT Spangler:
    Originally posted by @Bill Gulley:

    @JT Spangler

    Actually, it's not advanced stuff, it's basic real estate, you can find it free through my signature. 

    Learn the basics of real estate before trying to deal in real estate!  :)

    The difference between "basic" and "advanced" is entirely subjective. And while I whole-heartedly appreciate you sharing the information, I advise you not to try and sell your guru programs to people by insulting and condescending to them. This is friendly advice from someone who gets paid six figures a year (part time) to instruct employees at a Fortune 10 company. :)

     Hi JT

    I'm glad you think that you're a good teacher. BP is a place for people to speak their mind and I'm glad you're speaking yours

    If you hang around BP, you going to learn a lot about some advanced topics, and hopefully get some great information and advice.

    Bill Gulley is one of the best teachers on this site, and although he may sound a little "parental" he knows more in his little finger than 99.9% of everyone else here and I include myself

    Welcome to BP and I would forward to hearing something from you JT that is truly valuable

    Best Wishes

    Brian

    You'll note that I did not have any issue with his information (in fact, I thanked him [and sincerely meant it]). I mentioned only that if you know so much you want people to pay you to learn a small portion of it, then condescending to your potential audience makes that more difficult, which negatively impacts both the teacher and the learner. And regardless of how much you know about real estate, that's the mark of an inexperienced or ineffective teacher. So, I thought I'd offer him some advice in an area where I have some expertise, which he's free to ignore. Much as I was able to separate the useful parts of his post and not worry about the parts where I was insulted and talked down to. 

    Thanks for the welcome, though! I've been here for two years. I do a lot more listening than talking, though, so I suppose it's easy to get lost. Still have lots to learn, for sure.

    Personally, I find I'm able to get valuable information from everyone, even if I disagree with them or they're less experienced than me. The challenge isn't on the presenter to BRING VALUE! The challenge is on me, the reader, to find the value that I know is there. Something for you to consider, perhaps.

  • Buy and Hold Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2013 · 264 posts · 102 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Bill Gulley:
    Originally posted by @Phillip Tillotson:
    Originally posted by @Devan Mcclish:

    @JT Spangler

    I am going to suggest something no one else did.

    Put it under contract at a future price. Ask them what they want for it and put it under contract for x amount of time. Put the expiration date 20 years in the future. This guarantees you first right of refusal because you have it under contract. 

    just stipulate that it won't close until after they die, then once they do, close on it at the price you agreed upon, terminate because the price is too high, or renegotiate the price down if the market turns down, which it will

    Just a thought :)

     @Bill Gulley can you please remind me why having an option for 20 years is a bad idea? (Or possibly that I am not remembering this correctly)

     Life occurrences, death, bankruptcy, divorce, judgments or general liens can effect an optionor or optionee when they are individuals. The longer the term the more risk there will be. 20 years is fine for a corporation as life occurrences don't really apply but carry different business risks, even so, a corporate lease option to buy arrangement is business decision. Individuals shouldn't really go further than 5 years, 3 years is better. IMO.

    There is also the due on sale clause matter, hide out for 3 to 5 years is one thing, 20 years is entirely different.

    I believe JT is speaking of a purchase contract, that won't really work as sale contracts generally don't survive more than 12 months unless it's a build contract, then 12 months after completion. You'll find limitations in state law and the UCC. 

    A sale contract that has a trigger, that becomes effective in the future upon some occurrence is what would be needed, these are conditional contracts.

    I'll point out too, @ K. Marie, her suggestion of a life estate is excellent in this situation. 

    It's much better to be in title then to be under any contract. :)      

     In case it wasn't clear before, I do sincerely appreciate your help on this subject. I have learned a lot. :)

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    @Account Closed  I like the life estate.. 9 years ago I bought a property in PDX.. paid market for it at the time. and gave the lady a life estate... No payments no anything for her I maintained the property paid tax's etc etc... she just passed.. and over the course of the 9 years city up zoned me to R a 2  so I am in for a 3 lot partition... I have not run the numbers on return.. but I paid right at 100k for it at the time and the lots will be worth 150 to 175k each. No some nice up side.. for land banking 100k.. could I have done better with the cash over time not sure.. Heck I might have done something crazy and bought a high end house in vegas and lost it... LOL...

  • Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2008 · 469 posts · 32 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Bill Gulley:

    @JT Spangler

    Actually, it's not advanced stuff, it's basic real estate, you can find it free through my signature. 

    Purchase and re-purchase agreements can have a sale based on an appraised value acceptable obtained in the future, to the owners at the time the contract is made, or the average of two appraisals, or a price agreed to today, it simple requires a price that can be ascertained when the contract is exercised. Such sale contracts can be over a specific period or time or be executed on a specific occurrence, trigger events could be the death of one partner in title, or both, or if the sun does or does not rise on a Monday, in other words, anything can be agreed to as a triggering event.  

    Title ownership is like a piece of pie, it can be divided many ways. This is taught in basic real estate classes. Tenancy in Common (TIC) is a form of ownership and the owners may use a "TIC Agreement", unspoken of on BP I believe, a TIC Agreement spells out out such matters as what an ownership interest an owner has, their rights to use a property, common areas, notices of sale, rights of first refusal, any option of other owners, future sales required upon certain events and any reversionary interests that may operate by law. This agreement does not need to be complex, but one could be.

    TIC Agreements are more common in apartment complexes with multiple owners, it is used to avoid condo or planned unit development restrictions, however a TIC can be used for holding title to any real estate parcel, including single family residential properties.

    Simply look up Tenancy in Common as rights change upon a sale or death of an owner, not a problem when a TIC Agreement is used, so consult your attorney as to local and state requirements.

    Contrary to popular investor beliefs on the internet, nothing really ties up title other than a restrictive covenant to title or joint tenancy ownership exists where both or all owners must agree to pass all interests in title, subject to state laws. I can buy legal title to a property you hold an option on, subject to that option just as I can with any other lien or encumbrance. Again, basic real estate. Your right of first refusal is generally made as to passing all title interests, not part, so depending on how that agreement is made, I could buy a third interest, in the event all interests are to be sold, we'd give the holder a call! :)

    In six years on BP, I've not seen any in depth discussion about the use of TIC ownership, I guess it's over the heads of the gurus, because most of the strategies attempted by investors can be better accomplished with TIC.

    1. A minority interest in title keeps majority owners safe from general liens or judgments of a minority holder.

    2. It allows the Wholesaler to advertise the property all day long, take out a billboard ad in front of the state real estate commission in Oho or any other state without fear of getting nailed!

    3. It allows a fix and flipper to go in, obtain building permits as an owner, execute contracts and establish liens to the extent of their ownership.

    4. It allows an owner to lease their interests or all interests of a property, that takes care of your sandwich lease junk where the first tear tenant, the investor, can't contract for repairs or maintenance. 

    5. Future equity may be assigned under a TIC Agreement, something long term option holders like to obtain.

    6. It is much more difficult to have a TIC transfer with an unrecorded TIC agreement to be found or recognized as a disguised sale or an installment agreement. You simply declare the minority purchase.

    7. Since minority interests are generally protected from creditors, it's a good tool for estate planning. 

    8. If not otherwise restricted by a TIC Agreement, an owner in TIC may obtain loans up to their interests held.

    9. By slicing up the TIC interests you can have more than one owner holding the slice of pie of the total ownership, for those using partners.

    10. A TIC can be in or part of an LLC or Trust, so the games played there are all available to the TIC ownership arrangement.

    NOTE: Selling any interest in a property securing a mortgage can trigger the due on sale clause. Now, I have seen options and installment contracts as well as long leases trigger the DOS, I've never heard of a lender calling a loan due because title was held in TIC.

    I hate to let the cat out of the bag, but this is just one aspect of why I tell beginners to learn real estate instead of this guru monkey business they chase like chickens with their heads cut off and getting into unethical and illegal messes.

    There is nothing new in real estate and there is nothing that you can do legally that hasn't been done before. 

    You mean newbies pass up divorce deals where one party refuses to sell...... buy the interest held, the other party will sell, one way or another!

    Learn the basics of real estate before trying to deal in real estate!  :)

     Super post! Thanks

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