Why won't a top agent work with Holton Wise?
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Rental Property Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 9k+ votes
6yWhy don’t you just ask this top agent about it instead of making a stink about it in the open forums ???? I know if somebody rubs me the wrong way I talk with them personally to resolve it or just agree to disagree but I don’t drag my dirty laundry in public
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- Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes6y
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Ken Virzi:
James Wise has posted lies about me, now he is posting screenshots, this last red flag is just a warning to others. When I asked questions and he did not answer, I simply tried to give him feedback on how he could have responded better by actually answering the questions, he called me a troll for pointing out he never answered my questions. The ad hominem attacks have flowed at every turn with him and yet I have not done that to him. It is very unprofessional. He is a big fish and obviously will do what he needs to squash anyone in his way. This is why those who have bad experiences do not post here, this is why the other agent was so vague. My point is if this community was more open less people would get taken advantage of. Fewer people would need to go through the things others have found difficult. I have only shared my experience and it is a sincere question since I have never had an agent refuse to work with another agent. That was the final straw and I decided to let people know that there are some red flags here. I have not said he is a crook, I have not told anyone to stay away, I simply am saying there are some red flags. The fact that this thread shows the lack of care about red flags is part of why some use BP to prey on those they can take advantage of.
YOu should see how Engelo Rumora runs his business.. :) talk about Jays rules then there are Engelo's rules..
this is much more common in the industry than a civilian may realize.. not all agents get along.. And agents definitely will not work with some other agents.. This is no shock to any one in the industry.
Yup I am familiar with how @Engelo Rumora runs his show. He's actually a Media client of ours. We do lead generation for him. Which reminds me the Dingo has got something big coming out later this year........
- 6yJay HinrichsBusiness MemberReal Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
Originally posted by @James Wise:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Ken Virzi:
James Wise has posted lies about me, now he is posting screenshots, this last red flag is just a warning to others. When I asked questions and he did not answer, I simply tried to give him feedback on how he could have responded better by actually answering the questions, he called me a troll for pointing out he never answered my questions. The ad hominem attacks have flowed at every turn with him and yet I have not done that to him. It is very unprofessional. He is a big fish and obviously will do what he needs to squash anyone in his way. This is why those who have bad experiences do not post here, this is why the other agent was so vague. My point is if this community was more open less people would get taken advantage of. Fewer people would need to go through the things others have found difficult. I have only shared my experience and it is a sincere question since I have never had an agent refuse to work with another agent. That was the final straw and I decided to let people know that there are some red flags here. I have not said he is a crook, I have not told anyone to stay away, I simply am saying there are some red flags. The fact that this thread shows the lack of care about red flags is part of why some use BP to prey on those they can take advantage of.
YOu should see how Engelo Rumora runs his business.. :) talk about Jays rules then there are Engelo's rules..
this is much more common in the industry than a civilian may realize.. not all agents get along.. And agents definitely will not work with some other agents.. This is no shock to any one in the industry.
Yup I am familiar with how @Engelo Rumora runs his show. He's actually a Media client of ours. We do lead generation for him. Which reminds me the Dingo has got something big coming out later this year........
Engelo was the one to first introduced me to bigger pockets he wrote the intro for me. LOL
I knew him back in AU .. on the AU version of BP..
this is why you have to love America.. here is a young man who comes to the US with nothing but grit and determination .. very little capital and now is a very successful entrepreneur Albeit his style is his own.. But that's the point.. look at all the folks who grew up with this opportunity in their lap.. ???
- Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes6y
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @James Wise:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Ken Virzi:
James Wise has posted lies about me, now he is posting screenshots, this last red flag is just a warning to others. When I asked questions and he did not answer, I simply tried to give him feedback on how he could have responded better by actually answering the questions, he called me a troll for pointing out he never answered my questions. The ad hominem attacks have flowed at every turn with him and yet I have not done that to him. It is very unprofessional. He is a big fish and obviously will do what he needs to squash anyone in his way. This is why those who have bad experiences do not post here, this is why the other agent was so vague. My point is if this community was more open less people would get taken advantage of. Fewer people would need to go through the things others have found difficult. I have only shared my experience and it is a sincere question since I have never had an agent refuse to work with another agent. That was the final straw and I decided to let people know that there are some red flags here. I have not said he is a crook, I have not told anyone to stay away, I simply am saying there are some red flags. The fact that this thread shows the lack of care about red flags is part of why some use BP to prey on those they can take advantage of.
YOu should see how Engelo Rumora runs his business.. :) talk about Jays rules then there are Engelo's rules..
this is much more common in the industry than a civilian may realize.. not all agents get along.. And agents definitely will not work with some other agents.. This is no shock to any one in the industry.
Yup I am familiar with how @Engelo Rumora runs his show. He's actually a Media client of ours. We do lead generation for him. Which reminds me the Dingo has got something big coming out later this year........
Engelo was the one to first introduced me to bigger pockets he wrote the intro for me. LOL
I knew him back in AU .. on the AU version of BP..
this is why you have to love America.. here is a young man who comes to the US with nothing but grit and determination .. very little capital and now is a very successful entrepreneur Albeit his style is his own.. But that's the point.. look at all the folks who grew up with this opportunity in their lap.. ???
Ohh yea definitely a unique style. We regularly run a commercial that ends with him walking off set without his pants on lol.
- 6yKristopher HanksPro MemberRental Property Investor · Davenport, FL · Member since 2016 · 593 posts · 382 votes
I have used Holton-Wise to sell some properties, rehab, and manage. I have not had one bad experience. I am still not sure what the red flags are that have been discussed in this thread. But, I value actions over words, and his company's actions tell me that they just get sh!t done. In this business time truly is money and they do not waste any time getting the work done.
- 6yEngelo RumoraBusiness MemberInvestor · Toledo, OH · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
Thanks for the mention @Jay Hinrichs and @James Wise
Jay,
We are overdue for dinner.
Who's buying? haha
Thanks
- 6yEngelo RumoraBusiness MemberInvestor · Toledo, OH · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Ken Virzi:
James Wise has posted lies about me, now he is posting screenshots, this last red flag is just a warning to others. When I asked questions and he did not answer, I simply tried to give him feedback on how he could have responded better by actually answering the questions, he called me a troll for pointing out he never answered my questions. The ad hominem attacks have flowed at every turn with him and yet I have not done that to him. It is very unprofessional. He is a big fish and obviously will do what he needs to squash anyone in his way. This is why those who have bad experiences do not post here, this is why the other agent was so vague. My point is if this community was more open less people would get taken advantage of. Fewer people would need to go through the things others have found difficult. I have only shared my experience and it is a sincere question since I have never had an agent refuse to work with another agent. That was the final straw and I decided to let people know that there are some red flags here. I have not said he is a crook, I have not told anyone to stay away, I simply am saying there are some red flags. The fact that this thread shows the lack of care about red flags is part of why some use BP to prey on those they can take advantage of.
YOu should see how Engelo Rumora runs his business.. :) talk about Jays rules then there are Engelo's rules..
this is much more common in the industry than a civilian may realize.. not all agents get along.. And agents definitely will not work with some other agents.. This is no shock to any one in the industry.
3,500+ investor applications over the last 6 years and we only took on 150 investors.
And yet we still somehow miss things and sell to wankers who's properties I need to buy back just get them out of my life...
I feel sorry for all of the business owners that just sell to anyone with a heart beat.
IMO there needs to be a strict criteria in place for who would be your ideal "partner".
Success in real estate is not a one night stand but rather a marriage.
- Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2017 · 319 posts · 329 votes6y
The fun thing about the internet is that you never know for sure who it is that you're talking to... at least not without further verification.
For example, based on what I've seen in this thread, I have to wonder if this person is actually an evicted tenant or something along those lines?
- 6yJay HinrichsBusiness MemberReal Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
Originally posted by @Engelo Rumora:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Ken Virzi:
James Wise has posted lies about me, now he is posting screenshots, this last red flag is just a warning to others. When I asked questions and he did not answer, I simply tried to give him feedback on how he could have responded better by actually answering the questions, he called me a troll for pointing out he never answered my questions. The ad hominem attacks have flowed at every turn with him and yet I have not done that to him. It is very unprofessional. He is a big fish and obviously will do what he needs to squash anyone in his way. This is why those who have bad experiences do not post here, this is why the other agent was so vague. My point is if this community was more open less people would get taken advantage of. Fewer people would need to go through the things others have found difficult. I have only shared my experience and it is a sincere question since I have never had an agent refuse to work with another agent. That was the final straw and I decided to let people know that there are some red flags here. I have not said he is a crook, I have not told anyone to stay away, I simply am saying there are some red flags. The fact that this thread shows the lack of care about red flags is part of why some use BP to prey on those they can take advantage of.
YOu should see how Engelo Rumora runs his business.. :) talk about Jays rules then there are Engelo's rules..
this is much more common in the industry than a civilian may realize.. not all agents get along.. And agents definitely will not work with some other agents.. This is no shock to any one in the industry.
3,500+ investor applications over the last 6 years and we only took on 150 investors.
And yet we still somehow miss things and sell to wankers who's properties I need to buy back just get them out of my life...
I feel sorry for all of the business owners that just sell to anyone with a heart beat.
IMO there needs to be a strict criteria in place for who would be your ideal "partner".
Success in real estate is not a one night stand but rather a marriage.
AGreed when you choose to retail those asset class's the success is over the years not the day you make the sale.
And dinner is on you big guy !!!
come to Vegas
- 6yEngelo RumoraBusiness MemberInvestor · Toledo, OH · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Engelo Rumora:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Ken Virzi:
James Wise has posted lies about me, now he is posting screenshots, this last red flag is just a warning to others. When I asked questions and he did not answer, I simply tried to give him feedback on how he could have responded better by actually answering the questions, he called me a troll for pointing out he never answered my questions. The ad hominem attacks have flowed at every turn with him and yet I have not done that to him. It is very unprofessional. He is a big fish and obviously will do what he needs to squash anyone in his way. This is why those who have bad experiences do not post here, this is why the other agent was so vague. My point is if this community was more open less people would get taken advantage of. Fewer people would need to go through the things others have found difficult. I have only shared my experience and it is a sincere question since I have never had an agent refuse to work with another agent. That was the final straw and I decided to let people know that there are some red flags here. I have not said he is a crook, I have not told anyone to stay away, I simply am saying there are some red flags. The fact that this thread shows the lack of care about red flags is part of why some use BP to prey on those they can take advantage of.
YOu should see how Engelo Rumora runs his business.. :) talk about Jays rules then there are Engelo's rules..
this is much more common in the industry than a civilian may realize.. not all agents get along.. And agents definitely will not work with some other agents.. This is no shock to any one in the industry.
3,500+ investor applications over the last 6 years and we only took on 150 investors.
And yet we still somehow miss things and sell to wankers who's properties I need to buy back just get them out of my life...
I feel sorry for all of the business owners that just sell to anyone with a heart beat.
IMO there needs to be a strict criteria in place for who would be your ideal "partner".
Success in real estate is not a one night stand but rather a marriage.
AGreed when you choose to retail those asset class's the success is over the years not the day you make the sale.
And dinner is on you big guy !!!
come to Vegas
I'll be in Vegas in early January for the CES
Are you around?
- 6yJay HinrichsBusiness MemberReal Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
Originally posted by @Engelo Rumora:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Engelo Rumora:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Ken Virzi:
James Wise has posted lies about me, now he is posting screenshots, this last red flag is just a warning to others. When I asked questions and he did not answer, I simply tried to give him feedback on how he could have responded better by actually answering the questions, he called me a troll for pointing out he never answered my questions. The ad hominem attacks have flowed at every turn with him and yet I have not done that to him. It is very unprofessional. He is a big fish and obviously will do what he needs to squash anyone in his way. This is why those who have bad experiences do not post here, this is why the other agent was so vague. My point is if this community was more open less people would get taken advantage of. Fewer people would need to go through the things others have found difficult. I have only shared my experience and it is a sincere question since I have never had an agent refuse to work with another agent. That was the final straw and I decided to let people know that there are some red flags here. I have not said he is a crook, I have not told anyone to stay away, I simply am saying there are some red flags. The fact that this thread shows the lack of care about red flags is part of why some use BP to prey on those they can take advantage of.
YOu should see how Engelo Rumora runs his business.. :) talk about Jays rules then there are Engelo's rules..
this is much more common in the industry than a civilian may realize.. not all agents get along.. And agents definitely will not work with some other agents.. This is no shock to any one in the industry.
3,500+ investor applications over the last 6 years and we only took on 150 investors.
And yet we still somehow miss things and sell to wankers who's properties I need to buy back just get them out of my life...
I feel sorry for all of the business owners that just sell to anyone with a heart beat.
IMO there needs to be a strict criteria in place for who would be your ideal "partner".
Success in real estate is not a one night stand but rather a marriage.
AGreed when you choose to retail those asset class's the success is over the years not the day you make the sale.
And dinner is on you big guy !!!
come to Vegas
I'll be in Vegas in early January for the CES
Are you around?
YUP consumer electronics show ??? look forward to catching up then.
- Rental Property Investor · New York City · Member since 2019 · 703 posts · 538 votes6y
I like James Wise because he and his Holton Wise videos tell it like it is. I appreciate it when people don't sugar coat the truth. It may not be everyone's style but its the truth and in the end that's what counts. If an area is an "F" grade ghetto dump, then its a ghetto dump! & its nothing personal.
He will let you know about the good and bad in various Cleveland locations, tenant quality and the greater risks involved with certain areas. He is very clear when going over property locations, the grade of the neighborhood, breaking down costs, purchasing methods and estimated projections. He also tells people that this business isn't for everyone, it comes with risks and there is no such thing as get rich quick in this business. I have never seen anyone do that and that's Golden!!
- Investor · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2016 · 62 posts · 27 votes6y
By my reckoning @James Wise has probably done several thousand deals (James.... care to throw a number out there?). Yet there is really very little negative press on him (I looked when I engaged in a deal with him). If he was dodgy, he wouldn't be on a platform like this. The negative feedback would warn anyone off in a heart beat. That's the beauty of this platform.
And the @Engelo Rumora pants-off ending is nothing less than Champagne Comedy.
- Attorney · Akron, OH · Member since 2016 · 535 posts · 389 votes6y
@Ken Virzi he was a moderator but voluntarily stepped down. You ought to just apologize and move on. There's absolutely no reason to keep pushing this issue and burning the bridge even further.
- 6yEngelo RumoraBusiness MemberInvestor · Toledo, OH · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Engelo Rumora:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Engelo Rumora:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Ken Virzi:
James Wise has posted lies about me, now he is posting screenshots, this last red flag is just a warning to others. When I asked questions and he did not answer, I simply tried to give him feedback on how he could have responded better by actually answering the questions, he called me a troll for pointing out he never answered my questions. The ad hominem attacks have flowed at every turn with him and yet I have not done that to him. It is very unprofessional. He is a big fish and obviously will do what he needs to squash anyone in his way. This is why those who have bad experiences do not post here, this is why the other agent was so vague. My point is if this community was more open less people would get taken advantage of. Fewer people would need to go through the things others have found difficult. I have only shared my experience and it is a sincere question since I have never had an agent refuse to work with another agent. That was the final straw and I decided to let people know that there are some red flags here. I have not said he is a crook, I have not told anyone to stay away, I simply am saying there are some red flags. The fact that this thread shows the lack of care about red flags is part of why some use BP to prey on those they can take advantage of.
YOu should see how Engelo Rumora runs his business.. :) talk about Jays rules then there are Engelo's rules..
this is much more common in the industry than a civilian may realize.. not all agents get along.. And agents definitely will not work with some other agents.. This is no shock to any one in the industry.
3,500+ investor applications over the last 6 years and we only took on 150 investors.
And yet we still somehow miss things and sell to wankers who's properties I need to buy back just get them out of my life...
I feel sorry for all of the business owners that just sell to anyone with a heart beat.
IMO there needs to be a strict criteria in place for who would be your ideal "partner".
Success in real estate is not a one night stand but rather a marriage.
AGreed when you choose to retail those asset class's the success is over the years not the day you make the sale.
And dinner is on you big guy !!!
come to Vegas
I'll be in Vegas in early January for the CES
Are you around?
YUP consumer electronics show ??? look forward to catching up then.
Yep, that's the one.
I'll hit you up then
- Equity Raiser and Turnkey Provider · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes6y
Man, this whole thing sounds off. I get sometimes you may not like working with an agent, but straight-up refusing to work with someone? Maybe others do it, but I have never heard of that. There are good and bad agents. Some make for an easy deal and others make for a challenging close, but in the end, a deal is a deal. Why not pursue it??? If the property is that great, why not find a better agent? I find it odd that a top-rated agent is refusing deals based on agents.
- Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes6y
Originally posted by @Tim Healey:
By my reckoning @James Wise has probably done several thousand deals (James.... care to throw a number out there?). Yet there is really very little negative press on him (I looked when I engaged in a deal with him). If he was dodgy, he wouldn't be on a platform like this. The negative feedback would warn anyone off in a heart beat. That's the beauty of this platform.
And the @Engelo Rumora pants-off ending is nothing less than Champagne Comedy.
You really can't beat pants off Engelo.
- Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes6y
Originally posted by @Anthony Rosa:
I like James Wise because he and his Holton Wise videos tell it like it is. I appreciate it when people don't sugar coat the truth. It may not be everyone's style but its the truth and in the end that's what counts. If an area is an "F" grade ghetto dump, then its a ghetto dump! & its nothing personal.
He will let you know about the good and bad in various Cleveland locations, tenant quality and the greater risks involved with certain areas. He is very clear when going over property locations, the grade of the neighborhood, breaking down costs, purchasing methods and estimated projections. He also tells people that this business isn't for everyone, it comes with risks and there is no such thing as get rich quick in this business. I have never seen anyone do that and that's Golden!!
Thanks Anthony, you're the real MVP.
- 6yEngelo RumoraBusiness MemberInvestor · Toledo, OH · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
Stop pissing people off and turning down business...
That's my job mate haha
I had a few investors mention you mate :)
I prefer being the notorious A$$hole so please stop trying to take my spot
Speak soon
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