Cash flow negative on a seller carry deal with no interest

Cash flow negative on a seller carry deal with no interest

Investor · Gresham, OR · Member since 2019 · 38 posts · 15 votes

Anyone out there ever done a seller carry deal with no down payment and no interest? I was approached by my neighbor about an off market deal. She owns a rental property and we share a lot line. Her husband passed away unfortunately so she’s trying to offload the rental while she can still file jointly.

It’s not a great benefit to own the house, but it does solve some property access issues for us. More importantly, the math seems like a no-brainer. It’s worth 475K, needs $20K in repairs. We agreed on terms of $420K for the purchase price with zero down and zero interest. Payment will be $5K/mo for 7 years. Long term tenant is paying under market rents at $2K/mo. It’s obviously cash flow negative, but the full payment (that my W2 income can cover) would go straight to principal. I figure we would be out of pocket $260K over the next 7 years and have a paid for property worth $600K+. We are structuring the deal with no penalty for pre-payment for all the ‘leverage’ pushers out there ;). Never done a seller carry deal. Anything I’m missing here?

To add a layer, my wife doesn’t want the house. I’ll choose her over an amazing deal every day of the week, but I want to know what the experienced folks out there think of the deal. Bonus points for anyone who knows how to help me convince my wife that it’s a good deal. Or wants to partner up - on the deal, not as a wife…

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  • Rental Property Investor · Malvern, PA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 932 votes
    3h

    Is your financing a mortgage or contract for deed? The latter has more risk for you in a default.

    How do you buy a property you write is worth $475k, do $20k in repairs and end up with $600k value? Forced value? That's a nice improvement and I question if the property is really worth $475 now for you to get a 6:1 improvement ratio. It may be worth more than you think.

    Are you including taxes, insurance, maintenance, vacancy and other expenses in your 7-year plan?

    You have to work it out with your wife. There's a story there you haven't shared.

    • Investor · Gresham, OR · Member since 2019 · 38 posts · 15 votes
      1h

      @James Mc Ree Thanks for the response! Her lawyer was going to work up the contract, but sounds like I need to do some more research to figure out how to structure the contract.

      I was estimating the future value at 5% appreciation 🤞🏼. I’m new to estimating costs, but I did factor taxes, insurance, maintenance, and vacancy as well as the income tax benefits and rent increases over the next 7 years.

      Everything is fine with the Mrs, she’s just not in love with the house and would rather make something cute than win the money game, which has honestly kept us out of trouble over the years.

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