If Everybody Can See the Deal, Where’s My Advantage?

If Everybody Can See the Deal, Where’s My Advantage?

New to Real Estate · Miami, FL · Member since 2024 · 1k+ posts · 457 votes

A property hits the MLS. Good location. Decent photos. Numbers look interesting. I see it. And so do 500 other investors.

So I have to ask myself: "What the hell do I know that they don’t?"

Maybe that's the wrong question. Some of the most interesting opportunities I've seen never started with a listing at all. They started with conversations. A contractor mentions an owner who's tired of the property. An attorney has a client dealing with an estate. A broker remembers something I told him six months ago. A neighbor knows who's thinking about selling. Another investor has a deal that's wrong for him but might be right for me.

That's the romantic version of the off-market deal. I knew before everybody else. And there's real value in that. If I'm talking to the owner before fifty buyers show up, I'm not necessarily competing against fifty offers. I may have time to understand what the seller actually wants. Maybe price isn't even the most important part.

But I have to be careful here. Off-market doesn't mean good. Sometimes nobody else knows about my wonderful secret deal because nobody has bothered to establish what it's actually worth. Sometimes “no competition” means I've found an opportunity. Sometimes it means I'm the only idiot in the room.

And the opposite is also true. A property can sit right there on the MLS where everybody can see it and still be an opportunity. Because seeing the same information doesn't mean understanding it the same way. Maybe I understand the neighborhood better. Maybe I know what the renovation actually costs. Maybe everybody else sees an ugly building while I know exactly what can (and cannot) be fixed. Maybe I've financed twenty properties like it and know where the numbers usually go wrong.

So perhaps there are really two advantages I can have: I can know about the deal before everybody else. Or: I can understand the deal better than everybody else. The first comes from relationships. The second comes from experience. And ideally, I'd like both.

That's why I'm beginning to think "off-market" itself isn't much of an investment thesis. Neither is "I found it on the MLS." Those only tell me where I found the property. They don't tell me why I should make money on it.

So when I find something that looks like an opportunity, maybe the question I need to ask myself isn't: "Where did I find this deal?" It's: "If everybody else knew everything I know about this property, would I still have an advantage?" And if the answer is no, then perhaps my entire edge is simply hoping nobody else finds out.

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Arman AhmedPro Member
Real Estate Agent · Columbus Cleveland Dayton, OH · Member since 2024 · 2k+ posts · 927 votes
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Quote from @Drago Stanimirovic:

A property hits the MLS. Good location. Decent photos. Numbers look interesting. I see it. And so do 500 other investors.

So I have to ask myself: "What the hell do I know that they don’t?"

Maybe that's the wrong question. Some of the most interesting opportunities I've seen never started with a listing at all. They started with conversations. A contractor mentions an owner who's tired of the property. An attorney has a client dealing with an estate. A broker remembers something I told him six months ago. A neighbor knows who's thinking about selling. Another investor has a deal that's wrong for him but might be right for me.

That's the romantic version of the off-market deal. I knew before everybody else. And there's real value in that. If I'm talking to the owner before fifty buyers show up, I'm not necessarily competing against fifty offers. I may have time to understand what the seller actually wants. Maybe price isn't even the most important part.

But I have to be careful here. Off-market doesn't mean good. Sometimes nobody else knows about my wonderful secret deal because nobody has bothered to establish what it's actually worth. Sometimes “no competition” means I've found an opportunity. Sometimes it means I'm the only idiot in the room.

And the opposite is also true. A property can sit right there on the MLS where everybody can see it and still be an opportunity. Because seeing the same information doesn't mean understanding it the same way. Maybe I understand the neighborhood better. Maybe I know what the renovation actually costs. Maybe everybody else sees an ugly building while I know exactly what can (and cannot) be fixed. Maybe I've financed twenty properties like it and know where the numbers usually go wrong.

So perhaps there are really two advantages I can have: I can know about the deal before everybody else. Or: I can understand the deal better than everybody else. The first comes from relationships. The second comes from experience. And ideally, I'd like both.

That's why I'm beginning to think "off-market" itself isn't much of an investment thesis. Neither is "I found it on the MLS." Those only tell me where I found the property. They don't tell me why I should make money on it.

So when I find something that looks like an opportunity, maybe the question I need to ask myself isn't: "Where did I find this deal?" It's: "If everybody else knew everything I know about this property, would I still have an advantage?" And if the answer is no, then perhaps my entire edge is simply hoping nobody else finds out.

I think you nailed it. Off-market doesn't automatically mean it's a good deal, and an MLS property isn't automatically a bad one either. The real edge is knowing your numbers, the neighborhood, and what the property can realistically become. That's also why I like looking at Midwest markets, where lower entry prices can give you more room to find deals that actually cash flow.

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  • Arman AhmedPro Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus Cleveland Dayton, OH · Member since 2024 · 2k+ posts · 927 votes
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    Quote from @Drago Stanimirovic:

    A property hits the MLS. Good location. Decent photos. Numbers look interesting. I see it. And so do 500 other investors.

    So I have to ask myself: "What the hell do I know that they don’t?"

    Maybe that's the wrong question. Some of the most interesting opportunities I've seen never started with a listing at all. They started with conversations. A contractor mentions an owner who's tired of the property. An attorney has a client dealing with an estate. A broker remembers something I told him six months ago. A neighbor knows who's thinking about selling. Another investor has a deal that's wrong for him but might be right for me.

    That's the romantic version of the off-market deal. I knew before everybody else. And there's real value in that. If I'm talking to the owner before fifty buyers show up, I'm not necessarily competing against fifty offers. I may have time to understand what the seller actually wants. Maybe price isn't even the most important part.

    But I have to be careful here. Off-market doesn't mean good. Sometimes nobody else knows about my wonderful secret deal because nobody has bothered to establish what it's actually worth. Sometimes “no competition” means I've found an opportunity. Sometimes it means I'm the only idiot in the room.

    And the opposite is also true. A property can sit right there on the MLS where everybody can see it and still be an opportunity. Because seeing the same information doesn't mean understanding it the same way. Maybe I understand the neighborhood better. Maybe I know what the renovation actually costs. Maybe everybody else sees an ugly building while I know exactly what can (and cannot) be fixed. Maybe I've financed twenty properties like it and know where the numbers usually go wrong.

    So perhaps there are really two advantages I can have: I can know about the deal before everybody else. Or: I can understand the deal better than everybody else. The first comes from relationships. The second comes from experience. And ideally, I'd like both.

    That's why I'm beginning to think "off-market" itself isn't much of an investment thesis. Neither is "I found it on the MLS." Those only tell me where I found the property. They don't tell me why I should make money on it.

    So when I find something that looks like an opportunity, maybe the question I need to ask myself isn't: "Where did I find this deal?" It's: "If everybody else knew everything I know about this property, would I still have an advantage?" And if the answer is no, then perhaps my entire edge is simply hoping nobody else finds out.

    I think you nailed it. Off-market doesn't automatically mean it's a good deal, and an MLS property isn't automatically a bad one either. The real edge is knowing your numbers, the neighborhood, and what the property can realistically become. That's also why I like looking at Midwest markets, where lower entry prices can give you more room to find deals that actually cash flow.

  • James JonesPro Member
    Investor · Collierville, TN 38017 · Member since 2017 · 625 posts · 455 votes
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    You're asking the right question, and you've already answered most of it.

    Across 236 properties, my advantage was never knowing about the deal first. It was knowing exactly what to do with it. My buy box: 3BR+ single-family, all-in under $100K, clears the 1% rule with Section 8 rents of $1,395-$1,950, refi on a DSCR loan at 70-80% LTV. When a deal fits that box, I move in hours and I never put earnest money down.

    Off-market isn't automatically good, and MLS isn't automatically bad. Plenty of my best buys sat on the MLS where 500 people saw them and nobody executed - because they couldn't see the conversion (a 2/1 becoming a 3/1, or a carport becoming a master bed and bath) that made the numbers work.

    Deal flow is the real bottleneck in this business, not finding some secret source. Build the pipeline, define the buy box, and the advantage takes care of itself.

    • Boston, MA · Member since 2015 · 47 posts · 6 votes
      17h

      I agree with you here. I generally look at every deal from a variety of sources. It almost always comes down to what you can do with the property. Some don't see what is in plain sight, furthermore they do not understand what to actually do with it to increase the property's value. Adding rooms, adding square footage, etc. Also, understand why the seller wanted to list the property in the first place. Because "they're asking for something" and they need a buyer's help with the situation. I have a good story about this that happened personally and I can't type it all down here. It was an unusual case, very popular that Zillow had to step in-- that is how many calls I was receiving the whole week and some change, buyer's agents, realtors, private buyers were asking about it. Even offering an overask more than what I requested. It was a good time, a good experience, also a costly one.

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